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Holyflare
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On December 11 2023 03:24 Trfel wrote: How are you doing, Holyflare? Curious why you think raynpelikoneet is mafia? Convuluted af reasons really. I thought Sandroba was quite likely to be mafia and Palmar made this post: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote: Sandroba correctly identified Slam’s best post (smiley thing) and also noticed how excellent it was but somehow convinced himself to not make a good read on it. Brazilposting in crisis? Implicating that Palmar was ready to bus sandro because the reasoning here is extremely tenuous imo. I don't believe that palmar thinks the post is good but simultaneously uses it to discredit sandro. Maybe he would but I don't think so. It feels more like thread influence has made palmar take the read and use it as his own stance for slam and then try and double down on the sandro read. Reading into this and then seeing rayn post some drivel like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar pros town here. kinda made me think that maybe I was doing palmar a disservice and he could come up with something like that and rayn was just TMIing palmar as town because I don't think anything palmar said should be really conclusive for palmar's alignment in the slightest, especially not to this degree that rayn was talking about he's since given more elaborated reasoning for it like: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!"  The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. Which I guess is somewhat accetable but it's still a really silly reason to base the read on that. Think I'm more leaning on going on vivax atm though because he's playing way too normal and trfel is right that his post to sandroba is self-fulfilling. Not really sure, not that into the game atm. Marv looks ok, trfel looks good imo, DP is (?) but leaning on the side of ok. Slam is kinda just chilling so I don't really know what to read into that but I think he's had enough defenders in the thread over really mediocre points that game state might be pointing to him being town too. Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others. | ||
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Long time no see. Didn't think you'd ever come back :D | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait you thought i am mafia because sandroba is mafia, i called sandroba out, palmar called sandroba out, and i said i think palmar is town? At the time I read (this morning) you had not called sandro out. When I voted, you barely called sandro out and you came up with some hipster reason that you didn't even disclose. Neither of those things matter to me because at the point you had called sandro out pretty much the whole thread had and your post is basically 0 commitment to saying sandro looks bad. None of it really matters to your connection with palmar's connection to sandro though. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:45 Trfel wrote: I guess I'm a bit surprised that Vivax seems to be one of your top suspects when (correct me if I'm wrong) he was the only one who shared the same view about Palmar's post on sandroba? I get that agreeing with you doesn't mean he has to be the same alignment but it still seems a bit surprising to just gloss over it entirely. I didn't even know he did this tbh | ||
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Okay, I do actually kinda remember these posts and they're quite good and align with what I'm saying. I don't really know how to explain it but a vivax that agrees with me and says rational things I've found traditionally more often than not is just mafia but I can't exactly rationalise that in view of what he's been posting because it has been good and does actually say what I'm thinking. Possible that mafia universe has beaten him down enough. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:52 marvellosity wrote: Remembered mafia existed after the Traitors, Hf… I think your whole line of reasoning on Sandro-Palmar-rayn is based on an incorrect evaluation of things that Palmar might say. I think what he said about sandro’s post was very believable for him I got to that line of thought in the end tbh Traitors looked too cringe for me to watch | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about? You have put way too much stock into me paying attention to something. I just wanted to get a vote down and make people comment on it. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, so where is your head at now, if none (or some) of this is not true anymore? :D Exactly what I said - vivax. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I did though, way before you voted for me. You did not. I get what you're thinking timeline wise but I had not read the rest of the game when I voted. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: One thing more, is this why you originally voted for me? (before the post(s) where i explain my stance on Palmar)? Not just the connection with palmar, no. Your stances on people were very vague and devoid of substance. Your read on trfel was dependent on what he responded to DP but I think you should have easily had a better read on trfel with his posts vs sandroba at that point too. Especially apparent that you hadn't even talked about sandroba there too. Feels like you were measuring thread temperature before taking a stance on either. You did expand on it in your "attack" on sandro here: On December 11 2023 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Finally arrived home. Reading until here so i don't miss anything: This: Now at the time my position was sandroba doesn't look good (for reasons -- not exactly for his opener), Trfel looks nothing out of ordinary. However i am not the only player in the game, so i decided to see how Trfel deals with DP questioning him, without interfering at that point. Which is a fine follow up I guess, but this didn't exist then. | ||
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