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On December 10 2023 18:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 18:25 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 18:24 Alakaslam wrote:
I see it regarding your point with Trfel, DP, but I also see DarthPunk's point about super early suspicions and that makes me unsure about your point on Trfel because it is still early + Show Spoiler + Yeah I always do this  . Also sometime people are just scum (like cupcake read in one of the previous games) and trfel is fitting that bill for me.
This is the wording and content I expect from mafia often. They often don't have anything to write about so they flee into reminiscence instead.
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On December 12 2023 10:50 Vivax wrote:
Trfel sounds to 70% maybe like Iawy from MU btw
Keep going with your reads, I am paying attention.
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I think there's the potential for a light bus dynamic with Trfel (from DP and marv respectively) early in the game.
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Can't say I enjoy the unflipped associative analysis, the other stuff is good though.
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Vivax do you make anything of rayn just disappearing?
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On December 12 2023 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 10:42 Alakaslam wrote:On December 12 2023 10:08 die_meatbaby wrote:
Tbh this last 3-4 posts from Vivax looks like a Townie who trys to stay alive, but just the rest from his Filter looks still worse then anyone else here.
Also We are 9 vs 3 One miss lynch+ the night kill will leave us 6 vs 3. I really hope we don't fuck up with the lynch. D1 it happens a lot. If Vivax is town I say we lynch Palmar then me then lose not helpfull. You think Palmar is Town?
Yes
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On December 12 2023 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Chez tell me why I should not try and lynch you right now.
okey i love a chez lynch before he starts to meme up the thread and confuse me or creep me out with his strange post, but why is he scumy for you he was not posting much here. How can we read him? I can not soul read him as i do often in here espescially with players I already played. Feeling like gambling to vote on him and even if he flips red I can not see who would be with him. I am still sure he is not human. He is AI player which Grack is puting in the game for his on satisfaction to see us or def. me struggling to not. But I am open for an Chez lynch just not looking so scumy as V
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On December 12 2023 10:57 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Chez tell me why I should not try and lynch you right now. okey i love a chez lynch before he starts to meme up the thread and confuse me or creep me out with his strange post, but why is he scumy for you he was not posting much here. How can we read him? I can not soul read him as i do often in here espescially with players I already played. Feeling like gambling to vote on him and even if he flips red I can not see who would be with him. I am still sure he is not human. He is AI player which Grack is puting in the game for his on satisfaction to see us or def. me struggling to not. But I am open for an Chez lynch just not looking so scumy as V
He usually contributes in his own way, stories, observations, etc. this game has been nothing, he is not engaged in the same way.
Usually I like to keep him around cause he is productive enough, last game I even tried to stop him getting lynched day 1.
There is no reason to think Chez is town, and usually there is.
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A tinfoil theory is that Palmar instant read marv as mafia and decided to start a wagon on me to not have marv have to do any work.
Just a little thought on the side while I try to churn out something salvageable.
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Palmar is like pretty much confirmed town at this point FWIW.
Unless the reason I think that becomes unsubstantiated.
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On December 11 2023 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, what exactly do you mean by Trfel being tenacious? Just kept posting. Not a lot more than that tbh Trfel is basically a synonym to wishy-wasy when he is town. He makes very good points and then keeps doubting himself on them over and over again which makes other people questioning him which makes himself questioning himself even more. I don't think there is basically anything "wrong" (or scummy) with his play here.
This is a good opinion but also kinda scummy for rayn to have to spell out to marv.
It begs for the question, would Trfel not also be wishywashy as mafia?
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On December 11 2023 02:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
It’s baseless so there’s not a lot I can say about it really most of the stuff is quite baseless atm, though As in literally there’s not an explanation. well i think my educated guess is correct. take that as you want  On what sorry? There’s 2 votes on you and 1 on me and I don’t understand any of them Let's say there would be votes on two people you would understand them to be on, who would they be? I'll bite, Me and DP
Why DP at the time? He appeared green in Slam's later list post.
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On December 11 2023 05:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I don't think you moved the game in a pro-town manner. Good observations are easy for anyone to make. A pro-town manner would have been outright saying those things and seeing how people reacted to that information and then compounding those reads and coming up with more reads. You just put out reads, second guessed yourself and left the options open. What did that achieve? I can only go on what you've posted and base things off common patterns. If you aren't mafia then post your way out of it and get me to not think it anymore, pretty simple.
This is HFs post to Sandro, notable that he gives himself an out from his suspicion on his own.
Also notable that Sandro didn't include a quote to figure out he was replying to HF in that post.
In the room (P.18) this is a conversation happening in parallel over other folks discussing other matters.
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)
Rayn also engages.
Main difference: HF voices suspicion and doesn't accept the explanation, tells him to post it up.
Rayn just tells him the latter.
Assuming Sandro is mafia, HF is more likely to be partnered based on this interaction.
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Day One Vote Count
Vivax (9): Palmar, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Trfel, sandroba, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Koshi, sandroba, DarthPunk, Chezinu
sandroba (2): Vivax, marvellosity, Vivax
Holyflare (1): raynpelikoneet
marvellosity (0): Koshi, DarthPunk, sandroba
Palmar (0): Vivax
Koshi (0): Holyflare, DarthPunk
raynpelikoneet (0): Holyflare, Vivax
Trfel (0): DarthPunk, DarthPunk, Alakaslam, DarthPunk
With 9 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On December 11 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. I had my concerns on marv's first post(s) last game, he ended up being mafia, i ended up being night killed before figuring that out.
However his opener here (real opener - the post about Trfel), seems to be just what i think at the time. It might be just a bad coincidence you called out Trfel's post, but idk... i feel the same way about your post then what marv did. If you are town, obviously it is possible marv is mafia. I do not think we're gonna find about that until closer to EoD. I think he is town, and i don't think you accusing helps your case in my eyes as if this is the reasoning. Anyways for now you are not going to convince me of your PoV. What about Vivax and HF?
Again reminiscing behaviour. Scum flag.
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On December 12 2023 11:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. I had my concerns on marv's first post(s) last game, he ended up being mafia, i ended up being night killed before figuring that out.
However his opener here (real opener - the post about Trfel), seems to be just what i think at the time. It might be just a bad coincidence you called out Trfel's post, but idk... i feel the same way about your post then what marv did. If you are town, obviously it is possible marv is mafia. I do not think we're gonna find about that until closer to EoD. I think he is town, and i don't think you accusing helps your case in my eyes as if this is the reasoning. Anyways for now you are not going to convince me of your PoV. What about Vivax and HF? Again reminiscing behaviour. Scum flag.
I think this is really a result of this forums unhealthy obsession with meta. Not really alignment indicative.
Do you still think sandro is scum?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 07:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:53 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. Here @DarthPunk Here, I'll quote it again. Quoting it again doesn't magically make it worthwhile. 1.)I didn't call sandro town. If I think someone is town I will say they are town. 2.) You said basically the same thing about sandro as me regarding his posting revealing his mindset. 3.) I left the thread in the middle of the night. Therefore I am mafia. 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:49 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him. On December 11 2023 06:03 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him.
Why, please? Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way. I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post. But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point. On December 11 2023 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. Like I agree with the observations in this post, while I disagree with the conclusion. It makes me feel like he is reading the thread closely and thinking about what things mean, I think that is hard to fake as mafia. I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's not even like CAN marv be mafia, but like... marv is mafia here now in this game, one of the most mafia reads.. rly? I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. To me, these posts say that you think sandroba is town. Not like 100% bet your life on it certainty or anything, but if you had to guess you'd say he's town. So, townread. You're defending him, bringing up reasons why he is town, saying his play doesn't make sense as mafia. What else am I supposed to think? If this isn't a townread then what is? to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever. 2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia. 3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick.
Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh.
Probably one of his towniest posts. I can absolutely picture myself reacting like that, and I did. But I did so with more spite and energy.
I think it's impossible for me to go over sandro and not think he's mafia. Meta wise he's also off imo. I have several instances of very poorly fleshed out reads:
On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.
This is him townreading rayn on pure wifom. He's basing his entire townread on rayn on the same assumption that a DP partnered with him (Sandro) would not side with him. Please.
On December 11 2023 05:23 sandroba wrote:
marv and holyflare not very impressive atm. Palmar is normal I guess
Fake
On December 11 2023 05:31 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) Thanks for looking out for the rest of us, I do believe you are town. Believe it or not I wasn't so much defending myself as I was questioning HF. If it wasn't clear I find vivax to be the most likely mafia so far, with marv following just for being wrong and stirring up suspicion the wrong way and a bit iffy on HF but that might be just omgus on my part.
He explained from wifom why rayn was town and repeats it here. The tone is damp, stiff.
On December 11 2023 12:48 sandroba wrote:
Ah, also palmar likely town now
From normal to town, ok. What's the difference?
On December 11 2023 13:35 sandroba wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Koshi, I like all of his reads
What's wrong here?
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Can I have a roll call of who is ITT right now?
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I think my plausible iterations right now without the heated reads from before would be (excluding Chezinu)
Sandro/DMB/rayn
Sandro/DP/rayn
Trfel/DP/rayn
Trfel/DMB/rayn
The 'let's go!' vote on Trfel from DP also felt off.
If I exclude DMB which is a messy read I'd be somewhere at this I think
DP/rayn/sandro
DP/rayn/Trfel
DP/marv/Rayn
In case you were wondering, using past games to fluff up your posts like DP and rayn did lands you in here.
The Trfel/Sandro dichotomy is hard and I won't exclude that they could be paired.
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Fuck i don´t have a good feeling on lynch V right now. This looks so Townie just trying to not get killed. Fells like impulsive posts from emotions to keep playing.
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