EPTI've said what I've said and if a timeline doesn't add up somehow (I don't believe that to be the case) then it is what it is. I stand by what I've written.
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I've said what I've said and if a timeline doesn't add up somehow (I don't believe that to be the case) then it is what it is. I stand by what I've written. | ||
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because I wanted to avoid whatever the hell this interaction has been now over petty irrelevant stuff and I acknowledge that my list is all low posters who have said basically nothing and it could be wrong and if it were they would be the first people to throw back in | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying when you voted for me, you had read some Palmar's post(s), but hadn't read any question to sandroba from me. That's a lie if you have read the thread as you claim, because: My question: Palmar's first post in the game: Look at the time stamps. I have literally no idea what you're talking about or why you expect me to remember such a trivial little detail when I've clearly just massively skimmed the thread and put a vote down on someone who I thought had the overall perception of skating by and just saying things (you). If you want to nitpick to the nth degree then be my guest and vote me or don't but going on about this point is a waste of mine, your and everyone else's time IMO. Quite happy to talk about literally anything else at this point. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:48 sandroba wrote: @holyflare, you first post you start with the statement that you thought I was mafia and then derives the rest of your reads from it. Can you expand on why you believe I was suspicious based on my initial posts? What other people have said is correct, you came to no conclusions on people. I don't think your points about trfel were misplaced and in any other game I would have sheeped what you were saying and been all over trfel but your conviction I don't think aligns with someone trying to discover aspects about the game you felt uncertain about. Ordinarily I'd expect people to feign that they believed those reads more than they did to try and get reactions out of people but you just made a lot of statements, threw in a lot of uncertainties about them and then ??? Sure, it's the beginning of the game but I still also expect more conviction. Other people have commented on the Slam stuff. I think it's a good observation but the way you have phrased it comes more like someone who wants to keep the option of Slam open for later than someone who wants to try and clear Slam and I even think the read itself perhaps comes from a place of TMI. This is especially so because in your next post you say you can't really get a good read on Slam ordinarily. It just smells completely off. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote: I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel. Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote: To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important. Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. I don't like his attack on you and I think Palmar perhaps persuaded him off from tunelling you further but he tried to play it off like he came up with that idea himself to appear like he was being reasonable and then said you could be mafia anyway. He also said you weren't inquisitive about finding out information from people, while literally trying to take up all of your time with little questions thus giving you not much time to do that. I don't know what to think of that though because I'm historically bad at reading DP. Not sure I could make a gut read on it but somewhere middle of the pack, possibility of being townie but not outright surprised if mafia. See what he does next given time. Have you made a list post summing up what your current reads are? | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I don't think you moved the game in a pro-town manner. Good observations are easy for anyone to make. A pro-town manner would have been outright saying those things and seeing how people reacted to that information and then compounding those reads and coming up with more reads. You just put out reads, second guessed yourself and left the options open. What did that achieve? I can only go on what you've posted and base things off common patterns. If you aren't mafia then post your way out of it and get me to not think it anymore, pretty simple. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:11 sandroba wrote: That's not a defense of me, as I could be mafia and DP town in this scenario. The fact that rayn's brain read that exchange and thought "No way 2 mafia would do that as partners" I think demonstrates a towny trying to solve the game. I chose the scenario where you didn't view yourself as mafia? Please tell me your updated read on Trfel, it's imperative for this line of thought. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:36 Alakaslam wrote: U wot? Most of your first full on post was based on assuming a world where Sandro was scum If that isn't accusation then hey, I And this is different from everyone else in the thread? Why is mine more OMGUSable than anyone else's? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you're calling Trfel mafia, not the other way around here? It's not like you're being tunneled by Trfel DP, is it? Now i don't know why you think Trfel is mafia, where did he lie, or did any of those dubious things that might make them mafia? Bullet points please. Also look at what HF did: - rayn is scum because palmar - rayn posts - palmar didnt post when hf voted This isn't even correct lol. DP/trfel plz just sum up your points on each other into a couple of bullet points and then move on to anyone else please. Just arguing amongst yourselves at this point and I can't piece together any of it. | ||
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You said stuff about koshi being a policy lynch and not just a lynch if he continues doing this in 24h. Slam wonders why you phrase it this way, thinking if you were town you'd say he could be mafia and would be a good lynch instead. At least I think that's the idea behind it. Bit too much reading in to what you wrote imo if this is the case but like the train of thought from slam at least. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:14 DarthPunk wrote: Trefel has me in his top two lynch candidates, why would he do that and then talk to me like I'm town. - Trefel formed a "scum" (without actually calling me scum) read on me based on 'lack of thread presence' - Trefel then acknowledged that it was the middle of the night and that may explain the lack of thread presence -Trefel then proceeds to try and get several others to post their thoughts on me -Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town. -Trefel then says Sandroba looks better based on exactly the reasoning I gave for not finding Sandroba suspicious. Basically his justifications for his top 2 lynch candidate read on me is farcical. Regarding Holyflare: Did he actually try and justify that vote on you from the start of the game? Cause that does look bad. Can you quote this post? Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town. Probably a disservice to what you write but you fill up a lot of thread gets clogged up with you going back and forth with the person you already think is mafia to the point where I just zone out and don't want to engage anywhere near either of you. This post is probably good though if it is correct so thanks for the summary. I don't agree with your "he's calling me town" rhetoric though, I think that was clutching at straws. | ||
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I don't really see what's wrong with the second point. If you say you town read Sandroba because of his scum read on Marv and trfel thinks Sandro's reasoning is weak and it didn't seem like Sandro cared about it, why is it bad to dislike you? I'll have a look into the gap between you dropping the trfel read and going to bed to see if it was unfair or not though. Potentially doez have merit and might be something a mafia trfel would harp on in lieu of a more evolved read on someone else. | ||
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The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.
