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On August 25 2023 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember"
He believes I wouldnt openly want to get lynched as mafia.
He believes I never openly said I want to get lynched as either alignment.
There is no contradiction.
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On August 25 2023 22:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 25 2023 22:13 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 25 2023 22:12 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Town rayn isn't chill when he enters a game."
thgis is complete trash. Why would he say that as mafia? Read the obs thread from the last game, he was HYPER aware of you, the way you react to things, planning how he will play so as to not arouse your suspicion, he pocketed you and used you as a shield. Why does he make that post as mafia this game? That came across as very townie to me, because he must know it might piss you off, and he doesn't care. Just because of that. So you are saying its WIFOM? Vivax is very good at WIFOM. but this doesn't make sense. Whats the objective? that you town read him for sussing you?
Do you believe that Vivaxs statement on rayn is true?
I guess it would be more helpful if others agreed/disagreed with him
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On August 25 2023 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Particularly:
"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember"
Do you really think this is why LS is ever mafia though
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On August 25 2023 22:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely.
Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is.
Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia. hate this post for a bunch of reasons (no offense) Why please?
1.) Says a lot to not say much at all
2.) On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read
Why hedge when multiple people are making reads in the thread.
3.) essentially replicates a x and x can;t be mafia together heuristic that was getting Jacob town reads earlier in the thread.
4.) sheeps a read, and town reads strong players who have that read without bringing anything new to the table.
Basically, reads like a post to make a post, and the main aim that I can see is to ingratiate himself with some of the stronger players.
so yeah, could be a new player thing, could be a scum thing. But either way I don't like it.
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On August 25 2023 22:45 mathenalin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:39 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:34 mathenalin wrote:On August 25 2023 22:17 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little. I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv. So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me. I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective. I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious. You are right, I am using my years of experience playing mafia as a lens through which i processed the last two games, as well as playing many games with marv in the past to make a read. why don;t you tell me what your reads are? cause right now you are repeating what is happening in the thread, and its sus. Sorry didn't mean to upset you. As far as my reads go I don't have anything new since my last post where I said VE was likely town and that one or more of marv and rayn are town. I have leanings either way but as a new player I don't have your confidence in analysing players.
I'm not upset.
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On August 25 2023 22:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:17 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little. I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv. So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me. Why u so obsessed with me
Cause you always try and get me lynched at some point I guess.
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On August 25 2023 23:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Particularly:
"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember" He believes I wouldnt openly want to get lynched as mafia. He believes I never openly said I want to get lynched as either alignment. There is no contradiction.
We have to agree to disagree here then. Because what i see is a player who bases their reads (especially early on) fully and completely to meta. The first post would be fine if he just said "i dont think Koshi would want to get lynched as mafia like this", but instead he bases it on a meta on Koshi where Koshi has never wanted to be lynched as mafia. This does not go well with the fact that his meta suggests that "Koshi doesn't do that as any alignment". Aka it should be a null tell for him, and especially the first post he made suggesests that he should not have that conclusion about Koshi's alignment based on what he gives as a reasoning.
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On August 25 2023 23:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:44 marvellosity wrote:On August 25 2023 22:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely.
Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is.
Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia. hate this post for a bunch of reasons (no offense) Why please? 1.) Says a lot to not say much at all 2.) Why hedge when multiple people are making reads in the thread. 3.) essentially replicates a x and x can;t be mafia together heuristic that was getting Jacob town reads earlier in the thread. 4.) sheeps a read, and town reads strong players who have that read without bringing anything new to the table. Basically, reads like a post to make a post, and the main aim that I can see is to ingratiate himself with some of the stronger players. so yeah, could be a new player thing, could be a scum thing. But either way I don't like it.
Hedging this early is super natural regardless.
I mean ultimately you may be right (hedging  ) - but I don’t think it’s because of this.
And it’s a different reason to townread VE than previously mentioned. I hadn’t said anything about my reason
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Alright boys and girls, gotta get moving to new house to warm up sauna for friend. See you in a bit.
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On August 25 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 22:45 marvellosity wrote:On August 25 2023 22:17 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:12 iamperfection wrote:
how are you giving marv a town read do you respect his game that little. I spent the last two games, deep in his filter, lynching town marv and catching scum marv. So in terms of his recent play, what i explained to koshi stood out to me. Why u so obsessed with me Cause you always try and get me lynched at some point I guess.
*hastily scrubs out day 3 plans from calendar*
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So LS is scum here hey marv?
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On August 25 2023 23:14 DarthPunk wrote:
So LS is scum here hey marv?
Eh?
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On August 25 2023 23:15 marvellosity wrote:Eh?
Do you think LS is scum marv? because I do.
(sorry was speaking Australian previously)
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On August 25 2023 23:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 23:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:44 marvellosity wrote:On August 25 2023 22:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely.
Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is.
Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia. hate this post for a bunch of reasons (no offense) Why please? 1.) Says a lot to not say much at all 2.) On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read Why hedge when multiple people are making reads in the thread. 3.) essentially replicates a x and x can;t be mafia together heuristic that was getting Jacob town reads earlier in the thread. 4.) sheeps a read, and town reads strong players who have that read without bringing anything new to the table. Basically, reads like a post to make a post, and the main aim that I can see is to ingratiate himself with some of the stronger players. so yeah, could be a new player thing, could be a scum thing. But either way I don't like it. Hedging this early is super natural regardless. I mean ultimately you may be right (hedging ) - but I don’t think it’s because of this. And it’s a different reason to townread VE than previously mentioned. I hadn’t said anything about my reason
Do you think that is a good reason to read him town?
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On August 25 2023 23:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 23:12 marvellosity wrote:On August 25 2023 23:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:44 marvellosity wrote:On August 25 2023 22:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely.
Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is.
Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia. hate this post for a bunch of reasons (no offense) Why please? 1.) Says a lot to not say much at all 2.) On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote:
This may be too early for a read Why hedge when multiple people are making reads in the thread. 3.) essentially replicates a x and x can;t be mafia together heuristic that was getting Jacob town reads earlier in the thread. 4.) sheeps a read, and town reads strong players who have that read without bringing anything new to the table. Basically, reads like a post to make a post, and the main aim that I can see is to ingratiate himself with some of the stronger players. so yeah, could be a new player thing, could be a scum thing. But either way I don't like it. Hedging this early is super natural regardless. I mean ultimately you may be right (hedging ) - but I don’t think it’s because of this. And it’s a different reason to townread VE than previously mentioned. I hadn’t said anything about my reason Do you think that is a good reason to read him town?
It’s not a bad one. Two strong players early TR someone, probably a better reason to TR someone than anything else this early
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On August 25 2023 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2023 23:05 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2023 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Particularly:
"Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia."
"Has koshi tried to get himself lynched before as either alignment?"
"Nope not that I remember" He believes I wouldnt openly want to get lynched as mafia. He believes I never openly said I want to get lynched as either alignment. There is no contradiction. We have to agree to disagree here then. Because what i see is a player who bases their reads (especially early on) fully and completely to meta. The first post would be fine if he just said "i dont think Koshi would want to get lynched as mafia like this", but instead he bases it on a meta on Koshi where Koshi has never wanted to be lynched as mafia. This does not go well with the fact that his meta suggests that "Koshi doesn't do that as any alignment". Aka it should be a null tell for him, and especially the first post he made suggesests that he should not have that conclusion about Koshi's alignment based on what he gives as a reasoning.
Have to say this is my interpretation aswell, hence why i asked the question. Should be a null read.
However I agree with marv and think his qualification about koshi in a previous game does add some weight,
There is obviously a marv attitude DLC that I haven't unlocked yet.
I would say its an uneven entry from LS so not a town read for me
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On August 25 2023 23:17 marvellosity wrote:
Not really. Why?
You are the LS whisperer apparently.
I didn't like how he used IRL to exit the thread as soon as he was under pressure.
Reminds me of the last time he was mafia.
On August 25 2023 22:54 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the ChatGPT thing from Jacob was forced?
Also, this: very disconnected from the thread, no one thinks this so why is he asking this? the position on Jacob generally is slight town read.
It's like a halfhearted effort to change the direction of the discourse from himself, to like the most out their topic before he nopes out of the thread.
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On August 25 2023 22:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys. Marv, Rayn, and Koshi so far looks town from what I had read. Marv because his attitude seems a bit different from last game. Koshi due to his attempt to get himself lynched when he doesn't do that as mafia. Rayn because he actually trying to move things forward and trying to actually solve the game.
Does LS legit just town read the same people over and over regardless of alignment?
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