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With that in that in mind will put my vote on him
##Vote: DarthPunk
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I am so tired of these scumreads on me I wish Damdred was here to be honest T_T
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Ya we not lynching Marv Day 1 given what he said in Pre-game hopefully once Day 2 comes we can figure out his alignment much better.
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On June 10 2023 21:56 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote:
It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.
Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.
But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking. What questions did I ask that were already answered?
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On June 10 2023 23:15 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS
The main one was when you asked everyone if anyone else thought DP vs CC was forced, when someone else had already stated this. The rest is the gist I get, but nothing comes to mind.
I guess the important thing is that your questions need to have some reason for existing or they sound empty.
The reason I was asking that question was primarily to see if anyone else thought the same way I did and try to engage with others about what I thought but no one else really said anything outside of Rayn, and CopCake. Vivax didn't ask about it but granted he did say that entire thing between them rubbed the wrong way which doesn't = forced at least from my understanding.
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On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:15 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS
The main one was when you asked everyone if anyone else thought DP vs CC was forced, when someone else had already stated this. The rest is the gist I get, but nothing comes to mind.
I guess the important thing is that your questions need to have some reason for existing or they sound empty. The reason I was asking that question was primarily to see if anyone else thought the same way I did and try to engage with others about what I thought but no one else really said anything outside of Rayn, and CopCake. Vivax didn't ask about it but granted he did say that entire thing between them rubbed the wrong way which doesn't = forced at least from my understanding. LS why am I mafia?
Pretty much you also happened to confirm this but I felt your entire thing with CopCake was forced and it looked really bad the fact that I was able to prove some of the stuff towards CopCake really paints you more mafia than town to be honest.
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If this was your clarification Post Darth:
On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D yeah, so? So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
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The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
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Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.
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On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D yeah, so? So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
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But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
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You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.
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On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
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You know you did this to me last game right :D yeah, so? So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
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But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples?
She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight.
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On June 10 2023 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
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Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:
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So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
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Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
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Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.
The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
Those two factors are enough at this juncture.
##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples? She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight. Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight?
I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight.
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On June 11 2023 00:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
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Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
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You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:
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If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:
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I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not.
Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
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No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.
In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples? She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight. Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight? I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight. Which post? Quote it.
On June 09 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? Why is slam town? Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one. I'm not trying to avoid this btw,> its only fair that this conversation is two ways though right?
This sounded very antagonistic from you that seemed to had caused the fight.
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On June 11 2023 00:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 00:06 LightningStrike wrote:On June 11 2023 00:02 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:
If this was your clarification Post Darth:
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I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples? She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight. Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight? I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight. Which post? Quote it. On June 09 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? Why is slam town? Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one. I'm not trying to avoid this btw,> its only fair that this conversation is two ways though right? This sounded very antagonistic from you that seemed to had caused the fight. Ok LS I can see there is no reasoning with you and you are locked into this scum read. How confident are you out of a scale of 1-100 that I am mafia?
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The only reason it's not higher than a 70 is because you do genuinely feel frustrated but idk if it's alignment telling or not but a small gut feeling is telling me that it's town indicative. How do you think I felt when everyone was pushing me this game?
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On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:CC is Town for me at the moment:CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for meThere is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. VivaxI don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZIt feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LSShow nested quote +On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate It´s not hate it is what it is. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together. Yeah together in the red team Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying  Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.
Ok regarding the haters gonna hate you really think I would post that right coming off a terrible game as mafia so early like that?
If I was mafia with Darth this game especially if you HAD read the mafia discord chat why I would tell him this game to bus me so hard so early given what I told VE in the previous game in that discord chat?
Also that last post I was legit trying to tell Darth regardless of his alignment to sleep given he did say he needed to sleep.
Regarding the Darth and CopCake stuff do you think the people pushing it (like me) are mafia just trying to push it or is it the motivation for pushing it is why you got me as mafia?[/QUOTE]
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On June 11 2023 00:32 LightningStrike wrote:DMB: Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:CC is Town for me at the moment:CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for meThere is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. VivaxI don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZIt feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LSOn June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate It´s not hate it is what it is. On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together. Yeah together in the red team On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing. Ok regarding the haters gonna hate you really think I would post that right coming off a terrible game as mafia so early like that? If I was mafia with Darth this game especially if you HAD read the mafia discord chat why I would tell him this game to bus me so hard so early given what I told VE in the previous game in that discord chat? Also that last post I was legit trying to tell Darth regardless of his alignment to sleep given he did say he needed to sleep. Regarding the Darth and CopCake stuff do you think the people pushing it (like me) are mafia just trying to push it or is it the motivation for pushing it is why you got me as mafia?
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sigh I was hoping DMB would answer what I had asked her because I am trying to understand why she thought I was mafia from those posts.
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DMB you never answered the questions i had asked can you please answer them!
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DMB you never answered the questions i had asked can you please answer them! She's at work so I'd wager not. It's a taxing work environment, trust me.
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