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On June 10 2023 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LS + Cake + idk ez game
On June 10 2023 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not vivax
not slam
not mebaby
not hapa
maybe not DP
who knows...
You made these posts while having a vote on Chez. Why would you not consider Chez in the scum team if you'd only just voted for him?
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Ah, I'm an idiot who misread the vote. Ignore that line of questioning. Sorry!
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@Vivax
Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why?
@LS
How did you learn to play mafia? Who from?
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@Marv
When can we expect you to join the game?
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So Marv starts playing on D2? Okay, that's fine.
Vivax if you are still basing your read on DP on him towning LS you need to go back and reread because I'm pretty that's not what happened. I believe LS already pointed this out to you FYI.
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Okay, this seems like a clear picture of what happened to me. CC, is there anything wrong with this depiction?
FWIW, I don't think CC wants to be in this fight if she's red, so I don't think she would lie in order to make this fight happen. That'd make no sense. I'm red on CC, but not because of lie-gate.
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Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
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It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.
Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.
But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking.
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This one?
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.
His reading comprehension is very poor, but that's the case for everyone thus far I think (you and myself included DP). I find it odd how he went straight to the lynch off something he hadn't even read properly. Like... I respect going after bigger players, but he just attacked the two strongest players D1 and that's just never going to happen.
Last game, I started my campaign on D2 on Marv, got substantial traction D3, and managed to finally mislynch him D4 with DP's help. This is sort of the "best case" scenario for lynching a stronger player. Having that strong a conviction D1, doesn't feel right, but I don't know Vivax. To me it feels like a parking play where he doesn't really have to engage at all after making the "case".
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@Marv
*LS basically C&Ped a town post from another game as his opener.
*LS asked for opinions on the CC vs DP drama being forced, when opinions on this had already been posted
*When pressured, LS said that one of CC or DP was forcing the convo, but couldn't tell which one, only that it was red vs. green
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##Vote: CC
I was holding off on voting because I felt too clouted up and didn't want people to wagon before developing reads. I'm voting CC based on her town reading Rayn from moment one.
I know DP IRL and we play together. We've clashed over these sorts of games before, and I fear those clashes more than I care about playing 100% optimal. But this never means assuming he's town. Instead, it means I give him the benefit of the doubt, and try to not be paranoid about "what if he's 400IQmafiabossing me rn?". While I expect different people have different approaches to how to play around relationship dynamics, I don't see a world in which the answer for CC is "just assume Rayn town".
Also, out of everyone, I want DP and Rayn alive D2. They were both crucial driving forces D1, and I have a green read on both. People upset about DP "forcing" and "playing different" should know that his claim of being time-stressed checks out (I'm verifying it now). His aggressive play was consistent between his pushing on Rayn and then CC, and makes sense given he's trying to contribute during the windows he has available.
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Slam your statistics are rubbish.
Numbers don't have memory. They never think "gee, I've already RNGed LS scum, better not do that again". I'm pretty sure you understand this already.
The chances of LS being scum in this game are the same as for everyone else: One in four. You claiming he's town because he has the base chance to be town is not an argument or a reason to read him as anything.
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On June 10 2023 23:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 18:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
I'm organising along a singular dimension using tabs for replies. I couldn't tell you the reason I went for one tab over another. I wasn't thinking much on it at the time, since the tabs were a to-do list, and I intended on posting the lot of them.
TBH I'm not too sure what you're talking about because from my monitor it's saying they're in order, but I'll take your word for it? May I ask what constitutes a nonsingular dimension, in your organisation ?
Tabs go left to right - one dimension.
Cells go left right up down - two dimensions.
So if I organised myself using a spreadsheet for responses I might have a more intentional response pattern.
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LS
The main one was when you asked everyone if anyone else thought DP vs CC was forced, when someone else had already stated this. The rest is the gist I get, but nothing comes to mind.
I guess the important thing is that your questions need to have some reason for existing or they sound empty.
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If Rayn were red and CC green he talked me into going after her. Why would he throw away his free pocket?
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On June 11 2023 06:38 Hapahauli wrote:I could lynch TTT. Really not a fan of how his reads have evolved over the course of Day 1. I think he has gone after LightningSTrike and CopCake very opportunistically, constantly, throughout the day. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 22:48 TankTopTiger wrote:
##Vote: CC
I was holding off on voting because I felt too clouted up and didn't want people to wagon before developing reads. I'm voting CC based on her town reading Rayn from moment one.
I know DP IRL and we play together. We've clashed over these sorts of games before, and I fear those clashes more than I care about playing 100% optimal. But this never means assuming he's town. Instead, it means I give him the benefit of the doubt, and try to not be paranoid about "what if he's 400IQmafiabossing me rn?". While I expect different people have different approaches to how to play around relationship dynamics, I don't see a world in which the answer for CC is "just assume Rayn town".
Also, out of everyone, I want DP and Rayn alive D2. They were both crucial driving forces D1, and I have a green read on both. People upset about DP "forcing" and "playing different" should know that his claim of being time-stressed checks out (I'm verifying it now). His aggressive play was consistent between his pushing on Rayn and then CC, and makes sense given he's trying to contribute during the windows he has available. I think this vote on CopCake in particular is egregious, because he is accusing CopCake of giving Rayn the "Benefit of the Doubt" while essentially doing the same thing with DarthPunk. Looking at what he has said about his DarthPunk read, it is essentially that he is "playing different" and that he has a plausible IRL claim, but he hasn't elaborated on that at all.
Haven't caught up but commenting on this. You misunderstand me. I give DP benefit of the doubt, that's extremely different from assuming he is town. Basically I try not to initiate tunnels on him without really good reason, but I don't base my worldview on him being green until I have evidence for that notion. ATM his story checks out, and he is objectively productive D1, so I think lynching him is bad.
CC assumed Rayn town before she had any reason to do so. She based her read on DP on the foundation of Rayn being town. This is TMI.
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On June 11 2023 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Other than DP and Cake, my townreads are basically Slam, Hapa, and Vivax.
Others i can't either tell about but don't wanna lynch either (marv, possibly Vayoletta), or there are thing i definitely do not like about.
Vivax was blue last game and this game he is definitely not blue, and doesn't really look scummy at all, yet Chezinu placed his vote on Vivax when that was already clear. There's simply no reason to believe Chezinu would have "blue/red sickness", the vote was just incredibly out of place.
I have no clue what to think about MZ, i kind of agree with Hapa on the things on MZ, but i am HORRIBLE at figuring out MZ apparently.
DMB seems more self-aware than last game. Probably some of it comes with learning, sure, but like from a person whos cases were "these two people are 100000% mafia because they posted at the same time" and after that "these two people orchestrated the lynch D1" (when me and VE were pushing COMPLETELY different things all D1), i find it very hard to imagine town!DMB would actually be able to keep her head this straight in this game. Unless ofc, she is mafia and needs to actually just consider what to post to not get lynched aka what looks good, not what she actually thinks and how she's running the things in her head.
You're all the way to green on CC? Can I ask why?
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On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times.
It's not "Cake defs Mafia", it's "Cake is the best lynch candidate".
You've seen what I'm like when I'm certain on someone. Last game, I was "certain" of LS and Marv. I don't really believe in certainty D1. But there are two massive blunders (as red or green) that stand out to me. CC towning you before you've done anything, and LS claiming the CC&DP fight was forced but not being able to tell from which direction.
Of the two, LS looks scummy by default but is playing less scummy than normal by other metrics. I look at CC and she's playing against her "town" meta (using her obsqt activity as a proxy). So CC is my best read. I also really don't like how everything around her becomes muddy, but I think that's a playstyle thing.
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On June 11 2023 07:30 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 22:57 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
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The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. On June 10 2023 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Catch up post:(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.) On June 09 2023 21:48 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Goodnight. Dude, do you even know how much I post per game? This is nothing lol On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote:
Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less. It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well. On June 09 2023 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake
Re: a lie
This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread? I fucking like this guy! Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest. This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess? I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town? On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote:
FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it. Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either. On June 09 2023 21:51 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. So my only assumption is that either: 1.) you have not read or understood the thread or 2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy. No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here. I invite EVERYONE to read my filter. Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter) On June 09 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:28 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:16 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:14 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:35 CopCake wrote:
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Because he refused to answer you and questioned you why are you asking, I also think he is treating the "DP vs CC" really neutral Almost 40 min ago you really think that makes me town? What would i do if i was mafia? Trying to get me emotional and angry have i done that before or where do you get that idea? Yes, you have. He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense. getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry. and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit. Oh ok I misread never mind wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"? Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit? How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk. I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol. On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing." Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls. Then On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things? On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already. That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.- More rayn sheep. Pretty gross. This post by Vivax is WILD!On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake. What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on. I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn. And then she refused to elaborate on this town read. Yeah shit post Vivax TBH. + Show Spoiler +On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea? He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment. Bad, bad, bad. On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance? I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam. I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it. Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated. Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone. Relatable. Mine goes grey instead. Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself. But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on. Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP. Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth? I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context. Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit. Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending. I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town. You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia. On June 10 2023 05:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 14:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam? Statistics, and difference of opener. Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call? Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game? His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted. Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta. Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ? Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm Bad. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago) But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed. On June 10 2023 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote:
Explain me the chezinu thing
Is it only because he voted vivax? Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully). Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all. The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM. On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think lynching LS is the way here though
Agree at this point in my read through. On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason? Bad. On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you have to choose? Exactly. On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote:1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia. Where the fuck did this come from? On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good. Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW. And were very wrong. On June 10 2023 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh.. does anyone else think LS is mafia? Darth does but he's not here. And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid. On June 10 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good. i am going to agree, even if i dont want to. WTF?! Why the backflip. On June 10 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 CopCake wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Do you think it was w vs w or a town vs wolf? If the last, who was the most town? closer to Mafia vs Town type of deal (Or Wolf vs Town since you know Werewolf better i think?) In that case I have no idea at the moment to be honest. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. .................... the what? At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt. I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!" ##unvote Chezinu
##vote LightningStrikesorry vivax i think this is it. Nevermind. On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted.. Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot. On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is
Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense
MZ writes bad as last game
LS seems suspect for me
Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him.
TTT Strong Townread
Marv is okey for now
Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe.
And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.
I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture. On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting. I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them. Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD. This is just so not true. On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town. I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO. Then how should I read this ? Didn't her lunch make you go Oooff when rayn pointed it out? Do you skip lunches, Darth Punk ? Do you discriminate against Mexican cuisine is that what you want to say? If you are town I better see you gulp down two sushi burritos in a row or else. The oof was the fact that she was asking for information which was answered in the post quoted. Which meant a lot more to me in that moment than subsequently because I was not considering the slam thing. So why are you saying I am mafia? Because I should be paranoid of rayn? I should call him mafia all the time? Because in ONE single obs discord chat you came to that conslusion and make it an absolute truth? When rayn quoted that and you “ooooffffed” me it felt very opportunistic, very very and even worse after i explained that you didnt answer the slam thing. It felt like if you were a wolf from those old vintage disney cartoons wolves that got happy because he saw fresh meat.
It's not just one discord chat. Rayn says you are always suspicious of him, and this is corroborated by discord chat.
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Okay all caught up.
What do I make of it all?
Re: DMB
Rayn you say people can't change but you believe CC when she says that she's changed out of the blue. DP you believe at least somewhat (as do I) that LS has undertaken a large change in his playstyle. Out of the three people, I think DMB is the most expected to change because she's still in the stage where she's figuring out the game.
That said, this change is kind of weird. She's certainly exercising vastly more awareness and restraint. Last game, she was gung ho on Vivax, she had direction, and then after Vivax flipped she seemed like she lacked direction. This game, she still seems like she lacks direction (her suspicion of DP feels arbitrary to me, but apparently I'm against the grain on that), but she has poise and is putting more effort into evaluating the game. This could be indicative of an alignment shift from last game (people's engagement is different for different alignments), or it could be that she was super motivated after feeling powerless last game.
I wouldn't be upset with her lynch but she's not my preference.
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