On June 09 2023 21:23 Vayoletta wrote: Heyooo party people! I’m spending my entire day at an amusement park today and have like no time to play, so y’all need to just deal with it.
Hey hey hey! When you get back, I will hand deliver you your mail.
On March 13 2019 12:11 Vivax wrote: Upon further inspection of the Brown Bombers manifest, I have also not been able to notice maliciousness, rather than a constant state of confusion with intermittent periods of normality. Even noticing my name in it in a manner that looked like a death threat, I have attributed it to the belief that his intention was not to kill me for believing I was a killer in the night, but rather in order to rank up in the OP.
Your scrutiny of the claims that the brown bomber being alive is only due to the fact that he himself is a killer in the night is convincing me to campaign to delay his execution. My interest for today's execution is instead slowly shifting to a smelly pipe I have for far too long endured. I have been wondering where this foul odor that has been plaguing the town was coming from, and have realized that it smelled like my shoes after a long day of trekking.
Upon gazing into the pipe and being greeted by pitch black darkness, I was also assailed by a foul smell of rotting flesh and old socks. I suspect the nightly disappearances are being hoarded in there by a vile creature that I had the liberty of coining tubesock.
On June 10 2023 12:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: First things first, when I type TL.net into my browser it takes me to marv's filter from last game which is indicative of how many times I read him trying to figure things out lol.
Second, I'm a bottle of wine deep for personal reasons so apologies for any misspellings or other grammatical issues.
On June 09 2023 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there anything else you like or don't like LS, aside from the people you mentioned?
TTT seems likely town given how they played last game. Also I do got you town as well so far. Outside of that though nothing really catches out to me at the moment.
Ok fine, it's early, not gonna hate you for nothing catching your eye
On June 09 2023 21:21 Chezinu wrote: Vivax, Slam, DMB
Slam kill TTT this time.
Is this the red squad mr. mailman?
I do hope he answers this so we can figure what that post actually means.
I'm going to do my best not to sound super sarcastic when I right this but come on, it's chez "I hope he answers so we figure out what it means?" Like what does it mean to you dude? Why highlight this? It's chez who the fuck knows what it means? This post serves no purpose
I should pause here and explain how I think, I write these posts knowing what my gut says based on what I've read previously in the thread but I don't go in with a conclusion in mind. If LS brings attention to Chez again and continues this line of inquiry I will stop finding this post suspicious.
On June 09 2023 16:54 die_meatbaby wrote: How can you already read someone as town or opposite? There are not even half of the player's here. I am waiting till other players write something as well not just Dp, Marv Rayn, CC and the two Troll Master
There is a thing people call “meta” that is a pattern how a participant plays when he/she is mafia or town.
I think from experience, for example, that slam tends to be more town when he is easy going. But ofc you should not consider this as a “complete” read because actions speak louder and those reads can change.
He was easy going Last game and you read him town in obs for it and he flipped maf so….
No, early game i called him maf and even grack was like “interesting you read him like that” so dont try to manipulate the story.
Err... Just gonna pipe in here. Copcake you switched on and off slam many times during the course of obs QT. You did cite him being relaxed a lot iirc, but your read was not nearly as simple as thinking him scum D1 then green reading him for being relaxed.
So both you and DP way oversimplified it.
I called Slam mafia before the vivax lynch, I mentioned also his reaction to him being doctor was weird and lack of emotion, very robotic, etc. Later I believed he was town because DP and you looked more scum and there was the thing that I painted the scenario that chezinu was cop and cleared him.
I can actually confirm that from reading that OBS chat.
We were all in the OBS chat, it's literally the same people, we can all confirm that. Another useless post.
On June 09 2023 21:53 LightningStrike wrote: Not saying that TTT is telling truth per say in that post Rayn but it just his attitude how he plays the game is very much how he played last game so at least it's a start!
What are you referring to here LS?
The Copcake stuff. I did reread it though maybe something there? Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think though reading his filter.
"Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think through reading his filter"
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote: #186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187.
I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already.
That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.-
useless
I hate these two posts. It's funny how he talks about shitting up the thread yet his own posts aren't actually helping to unwind the thread except for +1ing rayn.
The next few posts, while ironically similar to stuff I've said regarding my IRL activity, are part of what's feeding into my impression that LS is attempting to generate activity to avoid some of the scumtells he fell victim to last game:
On June 10 2023 00:02 LightningStrike wrote: Correction on my advising appointment: It's in 45 minutes thought it was starting now (facepalms). Hopefully we get more people to enter the thread.
On June 10 2023 01:17 LightningStrike wrote: Just got done with my advising appointment: Glad to see Hapa did post something!
On June 10 2023 02:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was really not expecting to wake up to ~20 pages, what is this 2013?
I have work today so I'll mostly be phone posting but definitely scumreading LS right now (again) and I think DarthPunk came off looking worse in the exchange with CopCake that I just read.
I'm townreading chezinu on a complete shot in the dark that his chatgpt nonsense is a protest against not being able to use his seal.
After attempting to gut read slam last game and being wrong I'm back to forever null on him
TTT probably my strongest town read
DMB has a lot more confidence this game, don't think that's alignment indicative yet but I'll be interested to see how things progress.
Aight I'll be in and out today, I'll have some free time tonight.
I am not surprised you are scumreading me again given that last game I was scum but this time around I am town. In regards to Darth vs CopCake you said Darth looks worse in that exchange does that equate to him being mafia or just him just looking worse?
IDK LS, what do you think? I personally only say that people are looking bad when they're looking scummy to me. Earlier you said Darth was the same alignment as you, so are you going to defend him?
OK so now I've entered the game this AM and we're getting to the posts that really caught my attention when I was catching up this afternoon:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
What in the actual fuck does this mean? Why do you think it was forced? Do you think both Darth and Copcake are scum? What posts do you felt were forced? What does this serve to do other than fish for suspicions?
On June 10 2023 04:15 LightningStrike wrote: Also CopCake
On June 10 2023 03:04 CopCake wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
His push feels forced, I don't understand why he thinks he got a case when I explained the error of the question.
I am certified, healthy, copcake.
Ya idk if it's super alignment indicative with his case on you like that to be honest. In addition that entire line of stuff between you two felt off idk why yet.
This post feels like opportunistic scum looking for suspicions to feed on, if it's NAI why bring up this stuff in the first place other than to sow doubt and distrust among the town? I hate when people say that something feels off and then can't elaborate why. Like at least quote a post of one of Cop/Darth and say "I didn't like that." Tone reads are fine, honestly just meta/vibes are fine. But at least put yourself on record and quote a post or two that made you uncomfortable/suspicious. Otherwise this is just trash that clutters the thread.
On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote: Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam?
Statistics, and difference of opener.
Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie
You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call?
Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game?
His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted.
Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta.
Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ?
Ok riddle me this: If I was mafia this game especially how bad I played last game as mafia why would I craft that opening forgetting that I even did that opening before as town? Hint: I actually wasn't anxious and didn't craft that post.
There's more wine in front of this post than there is wine in my glass, and hint hint, there's a lot of wine in my glass. Tbh this post was the first one where I thought "he knows he didn't play scum well last game, what if he's deliberately trying a more active style this game to avoid attention."
On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
Why tf would anyone chime in when you haven't told them what's making you feel that way? The continued unfounded accusations and unsubstantiated suspicions are not working for me.
Page 25 is worth a reread for everyone, in particular look at the LS/Cop/Rayn posts. Rayn reads what's being posted and immediately comes to the conclusion that an LS lynch is a good idea. For those who don't want to click the link, I'll summarize. LS gets pushed on his comment about the Darth/Cop interaction Rayn/Cop get LS to say the thinks that there's scum between Cop/Darth. After some more pushing, LS says that:
On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?
Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?
This was your townread bro, the one you said was the same alignment as you. And after rayn and copcake pushed you about the Cop/Darth being townVmafia you flip and say Darth is now possibly scum?
I'm just trying to work through this and here's where I keep coming back to the conclusion that LS is scum. He's got Darth as a townread. He says there's something off with DarthVCop. When pushed he says that it feels like TownVMafia (even though he initially said the interaction felt forced which is usually what people say when they're analyzing a MafiaVMafia interation). Once he says he feels one of them could be scum, he gets pushed on which one and he says it's Darth.... his previous townread.
I'll give LS a point, Rayn did ask him to choose and then acted surprised when LS said he was "forced to choose" but at the same time it doesn't really matter because he still chose someone he was townreading previously without any real progression.
On June 10 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: Session is on a break at the moment:
On June 10 2023 11:12 TankTopTiger wrote: @LS Why is your vote on Rayn? Have you cased him at any point?
I haven't voted anyone?
I could be tunneled again, it happens. But the random suspicions, flip flopping of reads, and the apologetic town/updates ... it just feels to me that LS rolled scum again and is trying not to get caught so quickly this time. I am open to all questions.
On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote: @Vivax Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why?
@LS How did you learn to play mafia? Who from?
I first played mafia in person in junior high. Years later in high school, I played my first mafia game on a forum back in 2008 after watching my brother play the first TL Mafia game. I lurked TeamLiquid's general forum for years where I occasionally looked at a blog. I never made an account until TL Mafia. It gave me a reason to want to post.
If you are curious about my pre-troll meta, here is my filter:
Back then, games had clues. People still feared bans back then as well. People use to fear the mods back then.
Also, filters weren't around back then. The TL forum didn't exist. Voting threads were in a different blog post. Still today, some voting threads can be found in the blogs (each day had a different blog post). Threads that were never transferred.
On June 09 2023 15:16 Chezinu wrote: The morning arrived, casting a soft glow upon the world as I stepped outside, my heart pounding with anticipation. Today was the day I would confront my fears head-on, the day I would open the letter waiting patiently in my mailbox and lower the red flag that had taunted me for so long.
Approaching the mailbox, I took a deep breath, mustering every ounce of courage within me. With trembling hands, I unlatched the lid, revealing the solitary envelope resting inside. It was as if the letter held a hidden power, a secret that could change everything.
Gingerly, I withdrew the envelope from its enclosure, feeling the weight of its contents in my grasp. The paper felt delicate, as if it held a multitude of untold stories within its fibers. The Master's rules echoed in my mind once more, reminding me not to reveal anything personal about the sender.
I carefully slit the envelope open, revealing the neatly folded letter contained within. Unfolding it, I held my breath, unsure of what I would find. The words that met my eyes were unexpected, a departure from the sterile nature of my usual deliveries.
"Dear Courier, I know the burden you carry. The fear, the isolation. But remember, there is strength in unity, even in the face of an oppressive regime. Do not let the Master's control extinguish your spirit. Take solace in the small acts of rebellion, for they hold the power to ignite change. Lower the red flag today, reclaim your freedom. Together, we can defy the chains that bind us."
As I read those words, a surge of hope coursed through my veins. It was as if the sender had understood my turmoil, my yearning for connection and liberation. Their message was a call to action, a rallying cry that resonated deep within me.
Determined, I closed the letter and slipped it back into the envelope. The weight of the Master's gaze and the consequences of my actions paled in comparison to the flicker of rebellion that had ignited within me. Today, I would defy the Master's control, even if only in a small, symbolic act.
With renewed purpose, I reached up and gently lowered the red flag, its descent a defiance against the oppressive grip of the Master. The symbolic act sent a surge of exhilaration through me, a sense of liberation that I hadn't felt in so long.
The raised red flag had represented fear and subservience, but now, as it stood lowered, it became a beacon of hope, a symbol of resilience and the possibility of change. I had taken a step towards reclaiming my identity, towards forging a path of my own in the face of an oppressive regime.
As I closed the mailbox, a newfound sense of empowerment filled me. The journey ahead would not be easy, but I had found allies, kindred spirits in the shadows. Together, we would continue to resist, to sow the seeds of rebellion, and to fight for a future where personal connections and individuality were celebrated.
With each step I took on my mail courier route that day, I carried with me the words of the sender. They fueled my determination, reminding me that I was not alone in my struggles. I would continue to deliver the unsealed letters, but now, I would also carry within me the invisible threads that connected us, the whispers of unity and defiance against the Master's oppressive rule.
I opened PM here. Good job Hapa. Also, great job to DarthPunk for understanding how I didn't open my PM in the first part of the story.
I have been quite surprised how well people have been interpreting my stories.
I have ceased the protest against the rules for now. Good job to whoever caught that one.
On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote: CC is Town for me at the moment: CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for me There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. Vivax I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZ It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LS
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.
On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote: Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying
Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my antics were causing such a communication struggle. If you would like, I can give you a temporary window time to communicate with Chezinu at a lower troll volume.
On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote: CC is Town for me at the moment: CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for me There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. Vivax I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZ It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LS
On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote: Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck #hatersgonnahate
It´s not hate it is what it is.
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.
Yeah together in the red team
On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote: Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying
Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my antics were causing such a communication struggle. If you would like, I can give you a temporary window time to communicate with Chezinu at a lower troll volume.
Yes that would even be helpful once
I'll even help you out since you are new. For the last several years, Chezinu typically just trolls for the first 24 hours of Day 1. He basically makes a bunch of posts to through information into the game. In the first few years of mafia on TeamLiquid, most players would discuss the setup and come up with a town strategy. Oftentimes debating whether blue roles should claim or not. After years of playing and a standard format arose, people stopped discussing the setup and started discussing meta. Chezinu realized years back that it doesn't matter too much what we talk about. He even wrote a blog called "House of Chez" on his playstyle. It involved having fun, which is the reason for playing mafia to begin with and catching mafia off guard. Mafia players are usually defensive when they first start playing. Natural human behavior. However, if they are having fun and talking about something else besides the game, their defenses drop. That's when you catch them. Another technique is to appear useless, so mafia can accuse you thinking that you are an easy lynch. When a new player is the first person to accuse Chezinu of being mafia, they were mafia 100% of the time. This is known as the Chezinu Rule and hasn't been broken despite playing on this forum for over 15 years.
Anyways, I got carried away. The 24 hour troll period has ended. Chezinu has and will soon start the hunt. He is a reaction reader. In other words, he best gets his reads from interacting with player firsthand instead of observing from the distance.
You have a mission now. Can you keep Chezinu from trolling too much this game? From experience, his sanity only last so longer before a microexpression of a smile emerges. And the troll burst out of him in laughter. Remember, meta changes and therefore Chezinu's playstyle changes. But there are core principles he follows. Many Vets here know them and even the Host creates rules against them. So, let's do this.
On June 10 2023 09:23 TankTopTiger wrote: I caught up but haven't processed it really, so I'm going back and reading it again. The thread is moving superfast IMO, much faster than last game. This will be good later when we have hard info to interpret today's events, but for now it's lurchy aggro in every direction.
+ I'm being town-read a lot, and I don't really understand why. + DP is different to last game but I want him to explain that. + I like the vibe of Haps approach. + MZ comes across as similar to last game where he was town.
This post felt okay on my first read iirc and awful on this one, it's a bunch of sugar sprinkles after a game state complaint.
Leaving a mental note to myself to check whatever Darf thinks of him later.
@ Chezinu
Yes, more or less like that shoe. And mail is at risk of being intercepted by a malicious house co-owner in my current situation, so it may as well never reach me.
Hmm. Perhaps you should get tracking for your next delivery.