TL Endures Mafia II - Page 14

On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.

On June 13 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
What made Vayoletta a suspect pre-flip?

Can you spell out your reasoning for why it wasn't a policy lynch?

On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

On June 13 2023 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything.

On June 13 2023 09:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Mmmm I think in my first games I might have been pro-policy lynching because I didn't understand the reasons it was bad. Not sure if those are under spaghetticus or no.

DP you've seen me explain this stuff as town much more recently in werewolf in A52.

On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
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Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.

On June 13 2023 10:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons.

On June 13 2023 10:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

That's true but you could say the same for people like Marv, Rayn, or Vivax. If scum was going to kill anyone on potential I'd have to imagine they'd need a reason to differentiate amongst the potentially strong town players in this game.

I'm not going to sit here and say we should lynch Chez based on the NK but I do think it's worth looking back and what Hapa said.

On June 13 2023 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't know any. Only finnish site and games are like 5yrs old (and in finnish), i havent played with him elsewhere.

On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.

His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^

On June 13 2023 11:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Nope. One person in our group has it (irl-group) but we haven't had time to play it (we have combined ~300 different board games i think )

On June 13 2023 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My biggest fear is that both of you and marv are mafia. It's not impossible given how marv treats you <-> me. I don't understand how you are "more townie" than i am, since we have had basically same reads aside from Cake. You having been more "thread boss" shouldn't mean shit.

On June 13 2023 16:06 marvellosity wrote:

Although this is early to throw in the towel

On June 13 2023 16:11 Alakaslam wrote:
It really is true that TTT was a bit obtuse at times last game, usefully enough to keep them around in fact.

Generally very clear headed though, not sure I want to lose that . Though we may have already

On June 13 2023 16:13 DarthPunk wrote:


Although this is based on meta. I’m pretty sure he is more likely to be town based on this post.