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The case is two parts:
On June 15 2023 19:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
I really thought DP had a good shot of being mafia for quite a while when reading, he seemed more ‘together’ than last game and I’d generally characterise that as him being more likely mafia than town.
But if he is maf he did an exceptionally good job at ‘caring’ about the lynch. Makes it a lot a lot less likely 3 posts later... Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine. This has bothered me for ages. Fixed
On June 15 2023 19:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol? You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong.
If you can give your thoughts hot off the press that could go a super long way.
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On June 15 2023 20:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 18:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 14 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 18:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So Marv who's scum now, Chez? Maybe rayn? Hard to tell from your filter but I might be tired Maybe and maybe, I haven’t read the lynch yet (work) but seems clear a reassessment needs to happen. This is where I'm at right now but I'm slightly unsettled you don't have more. But you did tall about your activity level pregame you're right. Sigh This interaction is fake as fuck
It's also against how I see MZ as working. MZ is a strong independent woman who don't need no Marv.
Last game, he tried to lynch Marv D1 and that was based af. All of town were on Marvs dick for no reason but not MZ. Now MZ is cuddling up to him when Marv has been kinda absent. Why?
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Lol third part was bad or I didn't understand it.
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Anyone town in thread who hasn't already, please look at DP's case and give thoughts asap. This is the #1 priority rn.
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On June 15 2023 20:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2023 06:05 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, most of my thinking about TTT was purely from the view of wagonomics (that’s definitely a word right?).
the only post that even mentions wagonomics for his thinking on TTT was this: Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 18:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax. Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch. That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo? Actually most of his thinking was based on reading his filter: Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 03:18 marvellosity wrote:rayn, I have just spent quite a bit of time in TTT’s filter, then I read your case at the end of it. I mentioned previously that TTT had disregarded information in the thread that contradicted his own tunnel. I went and found where it started to make it easier for you to check: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?page=148#2942Essentially the history being that TTT thought he caught me in some sort of trap about what I said about LS sheeping me. He thought that I was talking about LS voting me, rather than following my vote on to DP in weak fashion. I posted my posts in thread to show this and he ignored it. Obviously it’s poor play to ignore evidence, but then again the direct evidence here is that a town TTT will ignore evidence. What makes it a little bit more difficult to stomach is that TTT does talk in his filter about learning from the tunnel on me, but makes the same ‘mistake’ (if that’s what it is) on CC. Just to touch on your point about the “twice as weird” thing again now I reread his filter and your case - the not-mafia explanation here is that he originally found CC’s read on you weird, rowed back on it after an explanation, then found it weird again with the information that CC tends not to read you as town. For me the strangest thing about his filter is the near obsession with DP; obviously they know each other irl so part of it must be that. But there’s a lot of dangling DP there as possibly mafia while consistently reading him town for not much other than ‘pro town’ posting. To me that doesn’t mesh very well compared to his nuts tunnel on me last game, I would have thought he would be more willing to interrogate his DP read, or otherwise have better reasons to read him town. Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote:
If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch He is saying to rayn that his thinking on you (maybe being town) was mostly due to the makeup of the wagons, but this is in fact not the case as he stated it was from reading your filters.
That's fine, and like a bit bad from Marv, but it's diluting the case IMO. It's the sort of thing he could talk his way out of and also I'm not convinced a town marv couldn't do after his not reading my trap question last game properly. I could make that mistake as town.
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I mean, if you feel it's important then go ahead, don't let me micromanage you. But the first two parts I'm wildly excited about and the third I see as meh.
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The first bit CC, where you take issue with the "but".
We'll ask Marv just in case, but I don't see how it can possibly be a misunderstanding. Assuming there is no misunderstanding, is this damning?
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+ Show Spoiler +Wait vivax you get proprioception of the brain? Is that even possible? The brain has no sensory receptors in it. Anything you feel about the brain is definitely not the brain. And you say it's the right hemisphere? Because that's where you experience it or are you guessing based on expectations of hemispheric lateralisation of function?
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Yeah CC we need you to really put 100% in rn. This is the most pivotal point in the game. Get out your spreadsheet or abacus or whatever. Do what you have to do. But it's super important you give reads asap.
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Just FYI I don't really think I'm going to clash with Marv? I don't see the point.
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I think you're oversimplifying then overfitting the data.
Copcake deserved to get lynched for her initial misplay but was ungodly resilient (which is absolutely a credit to her). I wasn't kidding when I said you guys let unjustified claims go for no reason. I really think town dropped the ball on this one. You guys care so much about feels shit that when someone straight up TMI's you're quicker to accuse the already vindicated accuser of sexism (softly but still) before you accept it's a good read.
DMB was not DP's first choice, nor his second. He defended DMB at the end and did not want her lynched, but town momentum had nowhere else to go at this point.
Sexism and implicit bias can definitely be a problem. Hell, DP might even have it somewhere deep down. But what transpired isn't evidence of such. Bad VE. DMB you get a pass though for being an obs hero.
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