EPTTL Endures Mafia - Page 87
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raynpelikoneet
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DarthPunk
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That's really weak, imo. Because it still doesn't make it a good idea as mafia. Also plenty of people knew Vivax was town what does that actually mean.\ Trying to lynch marv in this town at this point is suicide for scum, hence our current conversation, I just don't see it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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DarthPunk
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On May 26 2023 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: especially for newbie mafia pushing for someone who you KNOW is wrong is not the worst idea. This is wifom, but apparently thats allowed these days, do you really think his teammates would not have something to say about this out of the thread if this is the case. I don't even know why I am fighting you on this. That is his meta read, if there is anyone in this thread that would know, it would be me. I want to give him some more time because I think it will be obvious one way or another, and there are better lynches available. Like LS. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On May 26 2023 16:47 Chezinu wrote: I have not, but there is one who always watches and always sees whom may guide our paths even knowing the algos within the black box of the neural network. For some know the sovereignty in casting lots. Your perspective have persuaded me. Notice the signature of the letter to know where I stand. I believe you stand with me. I see. Chezinu is town. Or VERY sneaky scum but I say town. I am actually consoled by thus a little! | ||
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Alakaslam
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I suspected that Chezinu had 1. Rolled mafia 2. Invoked things we struggle to understand, that aren't cheating, (afaik) to make a playstyle that is nigh impossible to detect. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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As for where you say "plenty of people knew Vivax is town", it doesn't matter. If he showed that he really really strongly believes meapak is town then i would understand the immediate attack on marv, but he doesn't. Later on he even says (after i confront him) that he is going to read meapak / VE next. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Oh See I share the red/blue blindness Sorry chez, I should have taken care of the royal purple! | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 26 2023 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I genuinely believe anyone with any grasp of how to play mafia would do the expected and try and figure out Meapak's alignment FIRST THING come N1, in his postition, as town. He doesn't seem like completely clueless in how to play. As for where you say "plenty of people knew Vivax is town", it doesn't matter. If he showed that he really really strongly believes meapak is town then i would understand the immediate attack on marv, but he doesn't. Later on he even says (after i confront him) that he is going to read meapak / VE next. Didn’t he say he read mz as town in his first post? I think the fact he relented to reconsider under pressure understandable and more town aligned than not. Are you a bit too tunnelled here because what he does is not what you would do? Anyway seriously logging off | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 26 2023 17:45 TankTopTiger wrote: And that's what you think VE thinks? Why would VE and you (who were both tied to the train that saved MZ) want MZ to be mafia? Wouldn't that guarantee you guys are in more trouble than you currently are? The progress that would be made would be against you. Am I missing something? Eli5 please. As town, being more suspicious is less of an issue than finding out who is mafia (by our meta). I know proving innocence is important but, finding scum is a form of proving innocence. | ||
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Alakaslam
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Alakaslam
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On May 26 2023 19:06 TankTopTiger wrote: I think different people think about survival differently. I agree with your view, but surely if town is looking at lynching you next, as town, you're worried how far town is putting themselves further behind by focusing on you? VE I'm leaning red. You I'm leaning green. But I can never be sure with you. In werewolf I think I've got a chance of catching you out when I can see your face, you slow down a bit when you're lying. But in forum mafia you seem like you've got a system for doing things that you could perform as either alignment. You get time to think things through and straighten everything out. You talk a pretty big game about how good you and others are at this, so I don't really have faith in myself to discern your alignment. Oh! What makes VE scummier? My gut may be leading me wrong. I hope you elaborated on this! I will keep going. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On May 26 2023 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: mebaby, at the time when you wrote this post: .. why did you think Lightningstrike is town? Rayn with the gold | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off. Yeah he said this. Unfortunately this should hold no relevance because the situation has changed drastically after Vivax flips town. Why does mafia!marv make "bad posts" about Meapak if there is no relevance on who gets lynched, hell he doesn't even need to push Meapak lynch. He still reads Koshi and rayn town in the same post. He indentifies us three (and DP) as town leaders, regardless of if that's true or not. Like with this information alone he SHOULD be considering Meapak's alignment again, before doing anything else. "Who i got a town read off" is not really anything, the read should be REALLY in depth considering three people who he thinks are town leaders voted for the guy, and one didn't (and was wrong). | ||
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Alakaslam
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On May 26 2023 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Koshi must be MORE right on something at least. I can't think other options than DP/VE/mebaby. Yup ditto I am on board with this type of thinking. So, we get to work draining the pool I swim in. Great. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 26 2023 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: For TTT. This is exactly why marvellosity is town and how you can't see that from D1 is a bit beyond me. He's keeping town on track ALL times during D1, disagreeing/questioning the things he is not comfortable with and pointing out good points. This is what makes exceptional town player, not some big posts with "insight". Just look at Koshi and DP N1. That's not exceptional, hell that's not even good. They both are good town players, but the difference of keeping your head straight and looking for what's important in almost any situation makes the difference between good and exceptional. There is no way mafia marvellosity could do this, i mean like if everyone had their head straight as him, mafia would never ever win any games, you have to "make mistakes" in your thought process as mafia because you need your team to survive. It's very rare cases when you even could actually do that throughout the whole game, and marv's town play is so good it's basically impossible to imitate that as mafia. So there is that, i suggest you rethink your read on him if you are town, or mafia. Boom. Rayn understands the game better than most IMHO, despite the weakness of the praise I give it anyway | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 26 2023 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like he starts by saying that he would have voted Vivax instead of MZ. Which is fine. But then he continues playing like Vivax had flipped mafia and MZ had flipped town, neither of which is true at the point... Like the only people he talks about in his first post in any detail are marv, and VE. VE should be town for him because VE lead a lynch on a guy who he would have voted. marv is the opposite. Both can't be the most points on his interest together. | ||
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