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On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.
I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.
Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game?
You know I haven’t looked at the game lol
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On May 26 2023 23:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Rayn I think Chezinu is softing a check of sorts that implicates 1gu
Don’t we have parity cop? There is no info N1
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On May 26 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.
I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.
Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game? You know I haven’t looked at the game lol
then why do you say it's a point to consider 
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On May 26 2023 23:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 23:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Rayn I think Chezinu is softing a check of sorts that implicates 1gu Don’t we have parity cop? There is no info N1
or is there...
+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like if someone seriously claimed they have a cop check on N0 in this game LS would probably go if they have ever been a cop before and checked anyone N0 before coming to conclusion that they have to be lying. :D 
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On May 26 2023 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.
I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.
Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game? You know I haven’t looked at the game lol then why do you say it's a point to consider
Well I remember the name so I assume someone can check it quite easily?
I sort of assume people won’t lie about something verifiable (yes I’m aware we’ve had a big discussion with DMB regarding this this game, but still.)
If/when I get to a pc tomorrow I’ll try search it out.
PS I don’t disagree with any of your analysis, the question is if it makes him maf and not town being very weird. The fact you or I may do specific (and obvious) things when subbing in doesn’t mean everyone will do that - they are obvious to us but not necessarily to people not-us. And yes I am being kind
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Being kind is what loses games as town, or as mafia.
I am not saying DP is lying, i am saying it is not necessarily the truth even if he know TTT the best irl. Lying or not. Meta fucks you up at times. And here we have actual reasons for suspecting him as mafia.
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On May 26 2023 23:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 23:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Rayn I think Chezinu is softing a check of sorts that implicates 1gu Don’t we have parity cop? There is no info N1
Oh
##unvote lol
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On May 26 2023 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Being kind is what loses games as town, or as mafia.
I am not saying DP is lying, i am saying it is not necessarily the truth even if he know TTT the best irl. Lying or not. Meta fucks you up at times. And here we have actual reasons for suspecting him as mafia.
Very much not giving him a pass either way so don’t worry
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It's hard to say anything of value to the top towns discussing stuff other than "ooh, aah!" Which triggers my "that is because they are SCUM SVENGALI!" Tinfoil...
But this game I am like DEAD CERTAIN that tinfoil is pure bullshit
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How are you on DP's responses this phase marv and Slam?
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On May 26 2023 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How are you on DP's responses this phase marv and Slam?
Oddly I am out walking and I have just been thinking about exactly that. I would like to go back and reread at a better time for me though.
First thought was that he generally held up quite well and stuck around for several pages with just me, you, him… can’t be that easy as mafia. Having said that DP is good enough to pull this off.
I’m assuming the meta on TTT is fair enough but is almost NAI regardless of combinations of alignments.
Something that stuck in my mind was how difficult it was to talk about VE and how quickly the conversation turned to something else.
If I think about it another way - would I be more or less surprised if DP was suddenly flipped mafia right now than I was 24h ago? The dial on that hasn’t moved that much.
What do you think?
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rayn, we need to try hard to work out LS alignment here as well I feel.
Is he the next mafia mislynch?
Or is he the scum liability = bus him early and look good?
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I am quite on the fence with him, some things sound genuine, some things make absolutely no sense, and i am not sure if i think he would say that as town, like:
- blaming me for his vote
- attacking koshi N1
- TTT read and not understanig (or better aknowleging) the points on him and just dismissing them completely
- no talk about VE
I like his read on LS. I am not sure if it is right, but sure as hell the best thing he has done in this game.
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On May 26 2023 23:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, we need to try hard to work out LS alignment here as well I feel.
Is he the next mafia mislynch?
Or is he the scum liability = bus him early and look good?
yes
idk
idk.
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From OTHERS point of view, noone else than DP has really put anything on LS. If he was easy mafia mislynch, why aren't they doing so (if DP is town)?
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Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.
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On May 26 2023 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From OTHERS point of view, noone else than DP has really put anything on LS. If he was easy mafia mislynch, why aren't they doing so (if DP is town)?
Haven’t needed to yet - MZ and Vivax both town
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On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.
I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?
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On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing. I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?
You said you liked his LS read, best thing he’s done all game. Well that would be the case if it’s a bus, right?
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On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing. I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?
idk why he should do that?
Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.
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