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On May 23 2023 22:10 die_meatbaby wrote: I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out. I really should be sleeping but… Meat baby, why do you think Rayn would be posting this much if he was trying to hide? Why do you think he is attacking you so heavily if he, as you say, is trying to not get killed as a mafia member and is trying to lay low.? | ||
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On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015. You don't think it is possible that scum!marv would be able to post under pressure. I also remember Marv just folding as scum a few times back in the day, but I always considered that a symptom of burnout more than anything else because I also recall some monster scum games from him. Is there any other reason that marv looks town to you? On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb? I don't like this because it feels like it is a gross simplification of what actually happened and ignores a lot of the nuance. I feel like I have been fairly open with my thought processes and ideas as they have changed, so I am unsure how this is genuinely where you could land in your analysis. lol. Its a trauma response. On May 24 2023 00:15 Koshi wrote: Ah true. Marv probably told her in Discord. Brb checking their posting times. On May 24 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote: Checked it. They post at different times and ignore each other to make it less obvious they are plotting on Discord. I don't think this is helpful. I would rather see some empathetic engagement and give her some space to do other things. On May 24 2023 02:40 Alakaslam wrote: Dammit I have no reads outside the one that, if you don't see it You stupid m8 I am really struggling with posts like this in this game. I get the need to flex and what have you but don't you think making your reads and reasoning clear for others is an important part of town play? I just want people to share a clear position with shared reasoning and then have that either stand up to scrutiny or not. Otherwise I will just keep asking apparently stupid questions. Such as: what read is this? why is it so obvious? On May 24 2023 02:43 Alakaslam wrote: Maybe 1 soft sr but Seriously I'm not one to lynch people for 1 post. What post are you referring to? This is really unhelpful, i'd love to be able to understand your thought processes but I just can't without enough information. QUOTE]On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote: On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much  come back friend.I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?[/QUOTE] What makes vivax seem pretty townie to you? On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3. 1) [UoN]Sentinel 2) Alakaslam 3) Chezinu 4) Vivax 5) LightningStrike 6) DarthPunk 7) Onegu 8) Koshi 9) die_meatbaby 10) raynpelikoneet 11) Meapak_Ziphh 12) marvellosity 13) VisceraEyes I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv. I hate this. On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads. MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. I really don't like this post VE. first of all, we have similar reasons to read DMB as town, and you have a really strong town read on her, generally when people say things that I agree with I lean toward them being town, not mafia. Secondly I don't understand why if you think one of Marv or myself is mafia that you would not want to lynch one of us. On May 24 2023 03:47 marvellosity wrote: So you’d follow a newbie you are pretty sure is townie over a vet (yourself) who you presumably know is townie? Okay VE On May 24 2023 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you don want to lynch EITHER of your scumreads, but instead follow a total newbie even onto one of your townreads? Also this. @VE was that hyperbole or would you actually just vote whoever meat baby decides? On May 24 2023 04:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's not your job to make reads for others, its your job as a townie to come up with your own reads based on the thread as you read it. If you're asking questions it should be with the intention of refining or correcting your own reads. You still haven't been able to provide even one "I think I'm leaning scum on person X" post that you're willing to stand behind. DarthPunk doesn't count because you're not willing to stand behind it. Do you think it is more likely that mafia or town would seem indecisive? I think it would have been fairly straightforward for scum!marv to have called me mafia based on my weak posts, instead he said he didn't know and seems orientated toward information gathering which is a pretty townie place to be day one. ( representing genuine inquisitiveness is hard to fake) On May 24 2023 04:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hmmm ok I can't townread you anymore. This is... not great if you think someone is mafia, even if they're the most mafia ever and it's gonna be a quiet day because they're so obvious there won't be much discussion, you still lynch the people you are sure are scum. Like if you believe marv is mafia you should be wanting to lynch him ASAP even if for some reason you feel his anti lurker lynching stance is helping you. @Marv: is this the kind of nonsense you referred to VE starting out with? On May 24 2023 04:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The way you help townies make reads is by providing your own and then discussing them, not by just asking questions for the sake of questions. I don't agree with this, at least at the start of the game. Later on it is fair enough to expect people to take positions, but generating information from others is super important also. On May 24 2023 05:02 Koshi wrote: Did you guys plan this mindmeld in mafia!Discord? Meh that is the normal reaction to that post if you are experienced. On May 24 2023 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not what I find off-putting, and I think its adorable that you think it's easy to lynch a lurker in this environment. Chances are we will, as a collective, vote-switch onto someone active like DP or Koshi based on something either you or rayn said, it will be a whole thing, and then the lurkers will live on until tomorrow. PLEASE tell me you think anything else will happen so I can laugh at you relentlessly. True. Lol. On May 24 2023 05:50 Koshi wrote: I can always lynch marv but the mindmeld with rayn was a total win. That is so hard to do as mafia. I think they are both town but still don't agree that this is very strong FWIW. On May 24 2023 06:24 die_meatbaby wrote: Sorry was working last few hours... You really think they going to make a new girl directly mafia? I heard most of you weren't playing in years in this game is like legendary rematch after years... you think they taking the chance to ruin this game and make a new member (who never played) a mafia? Would you please answer the question I asked you earlier? On May 24 2023 06:28 Koshi wrote: Also we are perfectly capable ruining this game without your help so no help needed. :D On May 24 2023 06:30 Koshi wrote: Do you feel lost in the game? Do you need some advise on how to proceed? On May 24 2023 06:31 Koshi wrote: Finding towns is equally important as to find mafia. Do you have strong townreads and if you do, who and why? On May 24 2023 06:32 Koshi wrote: I just want to know how you think and approach the game. On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote: Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town? Sharing is caring and can help us read you better. I really like this from Koshi, I thought the tunnel was getting unproductive so giving space and trying to engage with meat baby is really positive. Koshi strong strong town read. On May 24 2023 06:49 Vivax wrote: VE seems like another VE compared to how he approached the game initially. Might rethink the TR down the road. I take issue in the fact that his first post had that ‚aha‘ component while the followup ended up all over the place with little regard as to who the vote ends up on. As for MB, I don‘t read the derpy reasoning as AI. Knowing the character of the player, it could be mild trolling or a beginner‘s approach to pressuring me. I‘m probably biased, but the mech talk appears disingenous enough to be town imo. I prefer to leave that slot to others to figure out. By others I mostly mean my townreads Koshi, Rayn, LS atm. Got to filter MZ still. Why is Lightning Strike town?? On May 24 2023 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have plenty of people I'd rather try and lynch D1 instead of you anyway. Like who? What?... Please explain this. On May 24 2023 07:29 Koshi wrote: Also imho marv is looking more and more as a sponge absoring information and potentially making it rain knowledge while dp is just sitting in marv's ass doing nothing. Not sitting in his ass, he is just making sense. On May 24 2023 07:29 Koshi wrote: So this 1 mafia in marv/dp theory is not so horrible. Disagree. On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: People i don't want to lynch: Koshi Lightningstrike marvellosity Probably not Darthpunk either. From what i know DP is very aware of the state of the game when he is mafia, not afraid to engage in conversations with his scumbuddies, basically he tends to look very town especially early on. This game i feel like DP is more like.. clueless(?) at times, and i think it's more likely genuine "i don't know what's going on" rather than "i pretend i don't really know what's going on". If DP would be mafia he would probably be mafia with two peopel who haven't posted yet. VE goes to the same category. I don't really agree with his conclusions, hell i don't even know why he writes what he writes but i don't really think VE as mafia would write what he writes. Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid. Would lyncherino: meatbaby -- what Koshi said MZ is tricky. Last couple (three?) games i have been mafia and every time MZ goes to post something D1 i go like "man how the hell can anyone think anything like that (he has been town)?!?!?!" and then i go "man, how the hell can anyone think MZ is mafia?!?!?" and everyone wants to lynch him.. I don't get the same feeling at all here. Maybe it's because i am not mafia and i am looking at the game differently with not all the information. I can see MZ genuinely thinking marv is mafia but something just doesn't sit right there. Slam is the least of these three. It's not really alignment indicative for him to "cling" on someone and answer to (all of) their posts, but nothing really makes me think he is town. Probably not mafia together with marv is my best conclusion atm. Everyone who has not posted can also die for all i care. Or anyone who has posted and i had not in my list. I like this post, just don't really get the lightning strike read. Thanks for actually sharing your thought processes. I have caught up now. I think Koshi is pretty town. Marv and Rayn and MZ town but less clear than Koshi Meat baby - While I think my initial reaction was not incorrect, I don't like that she didn't answer my questions to try and draw out more information about her rayn read, and I really think her chez read makes no sense as a townie. If you are making genuine reads or analysing the game at all then how is Chez town? Worries me that it was clearly not genuine, so what else is not genuine? If she had just said "no idea" that would be infinitely more reasonable right, especially cause she said that about someone else who had actually posted. Just complete wtf?! moment that is not consistent from what I would expect from newbie townie. | ||
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On May 24 2023 12:33 Alakaslam wrote: Sorry to have you waiting an hour. All good. | ||
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On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote: Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me  07:28 Meat Baby gives a Chez town read despite the fact he has no posts. Onegu who also has no posts she is not sure of. On May 24 2023 07:58 die_meatbaby wrote: ##Vote Onegu 30 minutes later she VOTES ONEGU??!?! despite later on still professing a scum read/suspicion of VIVAX her primary scum read. On May 24 2023 08:09 die_meatbaby wrote: yeah and I know you guys played this game sence years but and you have different techniques to play, and you already played with each other and know how they played. I just try my own style to get a win for als Townies But still i feel not good about Vivax in the game he is just to quiet to be town and he just write safe phrases. Like he realyy suspect for me On May 24 2023 08:35 die_meatbaby wrote: I enjoy you seeing nosebleed. chringe makes people nervous. Nervous is beeing easy to get truth out. Pls just vote yourself out and 1 hour later asking Vivax to vote himself out despite not voting for him, she is not operating in good faith or in a way that could be considered reasonable. I am really not sure what to make of this, it is just not an optimal way to conduct yourself as either alignment. Certainly not pro town behavior that is for sure, I guess we need to determine if she is a massive troll or not. | ||
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On May 24 2023 13:31 Alakaslam wrote: Ok wait then what did I miss? Why is there 2 onegu votes and like some Koshi vote? Yeah I was just posting about that. | ||
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I could also lynch her at this point, although my confidence interval about her alignment in either direction is not high because her play is just confusing. | ||
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Why are you voting for Onegu when you think Vivax is mafia? Please actually answer the question this time. :D | ||
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On May 24 2023 12:58 Alakaslam wrote: Because of that evil list post, and little else. It felt more wrong than VE's and I didn't like it out of VE either. Honestly*, I want to *. Given ** as a caveat. DO you have any idea why people are giving him town reads? | ||
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First post. On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now! Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015. Town read based on meta from 2015. On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: VE is null he hasn't posted anything since a few hours ago will wait for judgement on him. Null read on VE. On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: dmb is null the stuff for why she scumreading Vivax is very odd? Null read on DMB is actually super bad here. Notably DMB and how to approach them has been - super polarizing -and there was a lot of information at the time this was posted to consider. Don't like this at all. On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Koshi is town so far he been posting like I remembered how he was when I played back then. Town read based on old meta. Personally I have been trying to avoid using old meta too much, because I don't think it is very accurate. I understand there may be other perspectives on this, but I really don't like that after reading the whole thread at this point that these town reads are thrown around without a single comment on the actually substantive positions or posting of the players in the read, particularly after there had been a hugely polazrising topic of conversation and pressure in various directions. It is the easiest kind of post to make as mafia to call someone 'town' with vague references to recollections that they post this way as town. On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: Rayn looks town I like the pressure on dmb from him so far and waiting for a conclusion of his pressure on her. Fine. This is a bit of a hedge, because its avoiding actively commenting on DMB's alignment. On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb?His evolution of his read on Marv does seem organic. Null for now I guess. Obviously I hate this because its hedging (all the ???) and takes with the summation of events (i didn't suggest marv was mafia, and there are many posts clarifying this fact.) if you are town you want to be accurate and taking liberties with the narrative around players positions is not beneficial for town. His next few posts are largely nothing to do with the game. Reminiscing or discussing meta. On May 23 2023 23:37 LightningStrike wrote: Been to long man! My last game was in 2020 how you been? On May 23 2023 23:39 LightningStrike wrote: True he is pretty easy to catch the best to catch him at Day 2 from what I remembered about him. On May 23 2023 23:52 LightningStrike wrote: Been doing good I been trying to finish University but still got a few semesters left and no i didn't need a hospital visit if I remembered? You might of been thinking of someone else unless I forgot. On May 24 2023 00:12 LightningStrike wrote: Maybe Vivax? Just speculative atm. How you been? Vivax tried to initiate actual discussion about the game and LS goes back to reminiscing. On May 24 2023 00:14 LightningStrike wrote: Always a pleasure playing with you how you been doing now a days? Sorry about that lynch on you on Day 2 in that game More nothing On May 24 2023 00:25 LightningStrike wrote: That's good you doing fine! Is there anything you want to talk about? Doesnt go anywhere. On May 24 2023 00:40 LightningStrike wrote: Sounds good. Hopefully someone who is good at reading Slam can post in here how think of him so far. "I sound townie, sounds good, ill nope out of the thread for the next 13 hours." On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote: Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you? Last post, he says that vivax seems pretty townie at the moment, I think town reads are important, but if that was the case then Why was this not mentioned in his initial post? I thought that perhaps that it was beacuse of some interactions in the thread. But these are all that vivax posted: On May 24 2023 00:08 Vivax wrote: Worth noting that if DM is mafia that spews marv town ? On May 24 2023 00:21 Vivax wrote: Hey LS ! Doing okayish at the moment, thanks. Sometimes I get bored of being in discord with rayn and doing drinking games and I poke in here again. On May 24 2023 00:36 Vivax wrote: Nothing in particular. You come across as townie tone-wise, that‘s about it for new stuff. Slam I couldn‘t read either way. So either these posts are incredibly meaningful for vivax's alignment, or for somereason this very townie vivax was not worth mentioning in his list post an hour earlier. So I really don't understand these town reads on LS they don't make sense one bit. | ||
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On May 24 2023 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: Man, I am jealous of Australia. I might be Australian at heart. I live in the desert, I am like 60% Anglo by DNA, sandalwood is great, poisonous snakes sound like good pets, whiskey is good, grilled meat is also good... And I post when our local Aussie posts Not gonna post any Men At Work but- really like the bands too. Might throw out some Cut Copy good band, I have seen them live, I've got a spare room if you wanna take a trip  | ||
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On May 24 2023 15:41 marvellosity wrote: Im not sure about the LS townread either DP. I lightly read him as town when he first posted but I agree there hasn’t been much else. Partly I just want him to be town which is not the same thing. I will try to organise my thoughts this morning. Tbh MB’s townreads on non existent players isn’t great, is it? Nor the vote switch to Onegu after being so sure about vivax/rayn | ||
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Yeah its pretty wild. I've been putting in work while the Euro's were sleeping. | ||
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