Theres been a lot of conversation about individual player habits and previous games, honestly i havent played in forever and dont remember the games i did play, i will also not be going back thru previous games/players history to expand on these reads. I will obviously be reading and judging posts with these reads but thru a lens of just this game
Having read up to page 22, there was only 1 player that super stuck out as someone I was suspicious of based on just this game and that player is raynpelikoneet. every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads, all of this reads to me as if he is trying to look like he is free posting and active town while not actually saying anything.
On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.
Deconduo probs mafia. Apparently all he has said has been sarcasm and prolonging the discussion about that when people dont understand its sarcasm. Very counter productive. Hopefully he does some scumhunting if he happens to be town. Last night o read some of hisrecent games and town filter is scumhunting and scum filter is setup shit talking, so here pretty much the same.
Jock probs town too, maybe dandel too. Doesnt look like he hassny scum driven agenda. Tjose are my reads i have until p15.
Like this is his most active post in the game so far and the only thing hes said since actual reads discussion has started (notice his activity has dropped significantly with real game conversation taking place). It consists of what I consider a pretty light/meme read on koshi, a "im not sure" on cake/mz, and insanely light scum read on decon that screams "i can bail on this read if needed" and 2 more random "probs town".
This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote: I lack both money and a mouth
Neo? Is that you?
are we ever truly anybody?
Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.
Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote. If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.
no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch
In what way?
It scares the sheep "On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game" (1)plus the later you vote the more townie you are and (2)I only care about how townie I look
when ever have you cared about this?
always I was just very good at hiding my feelings
Sorry, the comment sounded very edgy. Couldn't resist.
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
Are you talking of a past game or?
On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] lol?
did you skip HF post on purpose?
Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?
Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
What?
But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm town
Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?
But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question
Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused.
He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)
So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.
Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.
I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____
I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.
deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote: Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.
What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?
Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated
Asking random questions is classic struggling mafia behavior searching a way to engage the thread. The first 2 are fine and could be seen as playful, but the last quote holds an entire conversation and I feel copcake her post is disconnected from the chain. It breaks the pressure, doesn't add value, feels off. This post pinged me initially.
Next let's go through the progression of reads on the infamous "decon joke list"
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
You know his list is just a joke, right?
And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.
Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.
Ok it starts with a question to me about the list being a joke, whether it's a joke or not doesn't change the fact that I don't like the post, although apparently I'm mister no fun and lots of humor has gone over my head this game.
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote: Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.
People who are fun: Jock Dandel Slam Koshi Vivax CopCake Tube
Neutral: Rels Matt
People who are not fun: Rayn
People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game: MZ
Chezinu: Chezinu
this list is unironically revolting koshi in the fun category smh
your last list was better, you fell off
It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly. Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.
I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.
Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human. Do you have any reads yet?
I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.
I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.
You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.
I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.
I want more HF but overall Rels tho.
And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.
Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.
Ok so now we're waiting on my response because copcake disliked that I took it seriously.
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote: Let me get this right, HF.
There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?
Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.
Absolutely
With this caveat:
On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote: To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation.
I honestly think that is like, bad reasoning.
Specially because he also mentioned jock first. Not just me and Deconduo list.
Even tho I agree that he taking deconduo's list seriously is bad, I kinda feel it is too bad to be mafia. I don't think mafia would try to put themselves in the spotlight early and be more wary of what they are posting.
So it's "seriously bad" but it might just be "too bad?"
It really feels like copcake is taking cues from the thread sentiment to come up with a scumread here (which they aren't even committed too since they give themselves an out of "too bad to be scum" in case the thread moves away from my lynch or I flip town." Seriously, either call me scum or don't. It looks like cope is trying to position themselves in the middle so that they can continue to flow with thread sentiment.
copecake doesn't even get credit for calling me out for my take on decon (which I still think isn't bad):
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!
Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
You know his list is just a joke, right?
And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.
Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.
Tube beats her to the punch here.
The final issue I have with copecake is the general tone and defensive/apologetic posts: + Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Let me ax you somefink.
If MZ isn't being FUN, does that affect how you see his alignment, if so, how?
Don't ask too many questions or you are going to be mafia!
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote: Let me get this right, HF.
There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?
Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.
On August 31 2022 00:07 CopCake wrote: But you made yourself clear, you don't need to explain further, I understand were you are coming from even if it is "bad" in my point of view.
I probably wrote that wrong.
These are just so... bleh. Townies don't need to defend their behavior, townies don't need to act apologetic. It feels like someone who got caught in a scumtell and is now not sure how to play it off.
I know I said that was the final issue but one more thing bothers me with copecake and that's the complete lack of reads despite all the questions. If you're going to be active and questioning, as a townie you should probably start to have some solid reads. And I don't really count townreading someone because that's super easy for scum to do. I think(?) I'm their only scumread but even that is so wishy washy it's hard to tell.
Anyway I'll go take another look at decon and then try to figure out wtf my read of jock is but for now my vote will be on copecake.
I can't find anything wrong with this post, he is correct about the tone of posts and similarly to my rayn read finds a lot of fluff that anyone can post for activity that doesnt actually help town progress forward towards a mafia lynch. MZ seems to be playing the game very seriously which I can appreciate and at this point is trying to nail down his CC read and is pushing incredibly hard for it which screams MZ is town to me.
TLDR: MZ is top town read, Rayn and CC top mafia and Chez rulez
HF obviously remains 100% confirmed town. Since I'm sheeping and hard defending Deconduo he's town too. Dande makes me smile so town there as well. Koshi likes me. That gives me warm fuzzies.
Copcake, Jock, and MZ are overall neutral for me. They do towny things that can be mimicked, but I disagree on several things they say soooooo yeah.
Want to see Rayn go Rayn so waiting for that. Plus, he usually has the Tubesock decoder and can see my town beacon.
I like this Vivax. I usually disagree (not that he's said much about the game) with him but his town light is usually bright and disruptive.
Slam isn't appearing to be having fun. That makes me sad. I disagree with HF's read though. Slam always deprecates himself and is always "this is lynching me" type talk. Slam's a mystery to me, which is why I enjoy him so much.
I can easily vote anyone else I forgot about.
Whaaaaaaat?
I've been having a ball reading this shit, the mechanics here at Penske Montebello probably think I am crazy now
I forgot i wanted to re-look at this post (had it in a tab that i missed)
This post by tube was super sketchy and screamed of TMI and trying to blend in, its also his only post of the game since reads have been flowing and has no evidence/logic behind anything said
On August 31 2022 05:08 Mattchew wrote: Ok lets get started.
Theres been a lot of conversation about individual player habits and previous games, honestly i havent played in forever and dont remember the games i did play, i will also not be going back thru previous games/players history to expand on these reads. I will obviously be reading and judging posts with these reads but thru a lens of just this game
Having read up to page 22, there was only 1 player that super stuck out as someone I was suspicious of based on just this game and that player is raynpelikoneet. every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads, all of this reads to me as if he is trying to look like he is free posting and active town while not actually saying anything.
On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.
Deconduo probs mafia. Apparently all he has said has been sarcasm and prolonging the discussion about that when people dont understand its sarcasm. Very counter productive. Hopefully he does some scumhunting if he happens to be town. Last night o read some of hisrecent games and town filter is scumhunting and scum filter is setup shit talking, so here pretty much the same.
Jock probs town too, maybe dandel too. Doesnt look like he hassny scum driven agenda. Tjose are my reads i have until p15.
Like this is his most active post in the game so far and the only thing hes said since actual reads discussion has started (notice his activity has dropped significantly with real game conversation taking place). It consists of what I consider a pretty light/meme read on koshi, a "im not sure" on cake/mz, and insanely light scum read on decon that screams "i can bail on this read if needed" and 2 more random "probs town".
This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote: I lack both money and a mouth
Neo? Is that you?
are we ever truly anybody?
Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.
Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote. If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.
no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch
In what way?
It scares the sheep "On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game" (1)plus the later you vote the more townie you are and (2)I only care about how townie I look
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
Are you talking of a past game or?
On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] lol?
did you skip HF post on purpose?
Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?
Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
What?
But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm town
Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?
But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question
Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused.
He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)
So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.
Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.
I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____
I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.
deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote: Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.
What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?
Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated
Asking random questions is classic struggling mafia behavior searching a way to engage the thread. The first 2 are fine and could be seen as playful, but the last quote holds an entire conversation and I feel copcake her post is disconnected from the chain. It breaks the pressure, doesn't add value, feels off. This post pinged me initially.
Next let's go through the progression of reads on the infamous "decon joke list"
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
You know his list is just a joke, right?
And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.
Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.
Ok it starts with a question to me about the list being a joke, whether it's a joke or not doesn't change the fact that I don't like the post, although apparently I'm mister no fun and lots of humor has gone over my head this game.
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote: Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.
People who are fun: Jock Dandel Slam Koshi Vivax CopCake Tube
Neutral: Rels Matt
People who are not fun: Rayn
People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game: MZ
Chezinu: Chezinu
this list is unironically revolting koshi in the fun category smh
your last list was better, you fell off
It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly. Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.
I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.
Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human. Do you have any reads yet?
I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.
I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.
You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.
I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.
I want more HF but overall Rels tho.
And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.
Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.
Ok so now we're waiting on my response because copcake disliked that I took it seriously.
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote: Let me get this right, HF.
There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?
Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.
Absolutely
With this caveat:
On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote: To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation.
I honestly think that is like, bad reasoning.
Specially because he also mentioned jock first. Not just me and Deconduo list.
Even tho I agree that he taking deconduo's list seriously is bad, I kinda feel it is too bad to be mafia. I don't think mafia would try to put themselves in the spotlight early and be more wary of what they are posting.
So it's "seriously bad" but it might just be "too bad?"
It really feels like copcake is taking cues from the thread sentiment to come up with a scumread here (which they aren't even committed too since they give themselves an out of "too bad to be scum" in case the thread moves away from my lynch or I flip town." Seriously, either call me scum or don't. It looks like cope is trying to position themselves in the middle so that they can continue to flow with thread sentiment.
copecake doesn't even get credit for calling me out for my take on decon (which I still think isn't bad):
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!
Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
You know his list is just a joke, right?
And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.
Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.
Tube beats her to the punch here.
The final issue I have with copecake is the general tone and defensive/apologetic posts: + Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Let me ax you somefink.
If MZ isn't being FUN, does that affect how you see his alignment, if so, how?
Don't ask too many questions or you are going to be mafia!
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote: Let me get this right, HF.
There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?
Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.
On August 31 2022 00:07 CopCake wrote: But you made yourself clear, you don't need to explain further, I understand were you are coming from even if it is "bad" in my point of view.
I probably wrote that wrong.
These are just so... bleh. Townies don't need to defend their behavior, townies don't need to act apologetic. It feels like someone who got caught in a scumtell and is now not sure how to play it off.
I know I said that was the final issue but one more thing bothers me with copecake and that's the complete lack of reads despite all the questions. If you're going to be active and questioning, as a townie you should probably start to have some solid reads. And I don't really count townreading someone because that's super easy for scum to do. I think(?) I'm their only scumread but even that is so wishy washy it's hard to tell.
Anyway I'll go take another look at decon and then try to figure out wtf my read of jock is but for now my vote will be on copecake.
I can't find anything wrong with this post, he is correct about the tone of posts and similarly to my rayn read finds a lot of fluff that anyone can post for activity that doesnt actually help town progress forward towards a mafia lynch. MZ seems to be playing the game very seriously which I can appreciate and at this point is trying to nail down his CC read and is pushing incredibly hard for it which screams MZ is town to me.
TLDR: MZ is top town read, Rayn and CC top mafia and Chez rulez
I don't disagree with what you wrote. BUT What if rayn is actually just really busy and therefore only gave lazy reads? Your case depends a lot on, rayn pretends to be busy and is skating by to survive day 1?
I disagree because the tone of his early posts screamed to me an eagerness to look active and progressing town without actually doing so. There also have been other lazy read posts in the game that havent had the scummy feel that his had
On August 31 2022 05:08 Mattchew wrote: Ok lets get started.
Theres been a lot of conversation about individual player habits and previous games, honestly i havent played in forever and dont remember the games i did play, i will also not be going back thru previous games/players history to expand on these reads. I will obviously be reading and judging posts with these reads but thru a lens of just this game
Having read up to page 22, there was only 1 player that super stuck out as someone I was suspicious of based on just this game and that player is raynpelikoneet. every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads, all of this reads to me as if he is trying to look like he is free posting and active town while not actually saying anything.
On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.
Deconduo probs mafia. Apparently all he has said has been sarcasm and prolonging the discussion about that when people dont understand its sarcasm. Very counter productive. Hopefully he does some scumhunting if he happens to be town. Last night o read some of hisrecent games and town filter is scumhunting and scum filter is setup shit talking, so here pretty much the same.
Jock probs town too, maybe dandel too. Doesnt look like he hassny scum driven agenda. Tjose are my reads i have until p15.
Like this is his most active post in the game so far and the only thing hes said since actual reads discussion has started (notice his activity has dropped significantly with real game conversation taking place). It consists of what I consider a pretty light/meme read on koshi, a "im not sure" on cake/mz, and insanely light scum read on decon that screams "i can bail on this read if needed" and 2 more random "probs town".
This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote: I lack both money and a mouth
Neo? Is that you?
are we ever truly anybody?
Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.
Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote. If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.
no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch
In what way?
It scares the sheep "On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game" (1)plus the later you vote the more townie you are and (2)I only care about how townie I look
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
Are you talking of a past game or?
On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] lol?
did you skip HF post on purpose?
Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?
Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
What?
But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm town
Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?
But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question
Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused.
He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)
So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.
Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.
I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____
I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.
deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote: Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.
What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?
Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated
Asking random questions is classic struggling mafia behavior searching a way to engage the thread. The first 2 are fine and could be seen as playful, but the last quote holds an entire conversation and I feel copcake her post is disconnected from the chain. It breaks the pressure, doesn't add value, feels off. This post pinged me initially.
Next let's go through the progression of reads on the infamous "decon joke list"
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
You know his list is just a joke, right?
And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.
Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.
Ok it starts with a question to me about the list being a joke, whether it's a joke or not doesn't change the fact that I don't like the post, although apparently I'm mister no fun and lots of humor has gone over my head this game.
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote: Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.
People who are fun: Jock Dandel Slam Koshi Vivax CopCake Tube
Neutral: Rels Matt
People who are not fun: Rayn
People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game: MZ
Chezinu: Chezinu
this list is unironically revolting koshi in the fun category smh
your last list was better, you fell off
It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly. Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.
I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.
Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human. Do you have any reads yet?
I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.
I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.
You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.
I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.
I want more HF but overall Rels tho.
And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.
Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.
Ok so now we're waiting on my response because copcake disliked that I took it seriously.
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote: Let me get this right, HF.
There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?
Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.
Absolutely
With this caveat:
On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote: To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation.
I honestly think that is like, bad reasoning.
Specially because he also mentioned jock first. Not just me and Deconduo list.
Even tho I agree that he taking deconduo's list seriously is bad, I kinda feel it is too bad to be mafia. I don't think mafia would try to put themselves in the spotlight early and be more wary of what they are posting.
So it's "seriously bad" but it might just be "too bad?"
It really feels like copcake is taking cues from the thread sentiment to come up with a scumread here (which they aren't even committed too since they give themselves an out of "too bad to be scum" in case the thread moves away from my lynch or I flip town." Seriously, either call me scum or don't. It looks like cope is trying to position themselves in the middle so that they can continue to flow with thread sentiment.
copecake doesn't even get credit for calling me out for my take on decon (which I still think isn't bad):
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!
Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote: 100% confirmed town Holyflare
Leaning Town: Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)
Leaning Mafia: Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi) Koshi
Chezinu: Chezinu
Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.
You know his list is just a joke, right?
And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.
Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.
Tube beats her to the punch here.
The final issue I have with copecake is the general tone and defensive/apologetic posts: + Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Let me ax you somefink.
If MZ isn't being FUN, does that affect how you see his alignment, if so, how?
Don't ask too many questions or you are going to be mafia!
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote: Let me get this right, HF.
There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?
Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.
On August 31 2022 00:07 CopCake wrote: But you made yourself clear, you don't need to explain further, I understand were you are coming from even if it is "bad" in my point of view.
I probably wrote that wrong.
These are just so... bleh. Townies don't need to defend their behavior, townies don't need to act apologetic. It feels like someone who got caught in a scumtell and is now not sure how to play it off.
I know I said that was the final issue but one more thing bothers me with copecake and that's the complete lack of reads despite all the questions. If you're going to be active and questioning, as a townie you should probably start to have some solid reads. And I don't really count townreading someone because that's super easy for scum to do. I think(?) I'm their only scumread but even that is so wishy washy it's hard to tell.
Anyway I'll go take another look at decon and then try to figure out wtf my read of jock is but for now my vote will be on copecake.
I can't find anything wrong with this post, he is correct about the tone of posts and similarly to my rayn read finds a lot of fluff that anyone can post for activity that doesnt actually help town progress forward towards a mafia lynch. MZ seems to be playing the game very seriously which I can appreciate and at this point is trying to nail down his CC read and is pushing incredibly hard for it which screams MZ is town to me.
TLDR: MZ is top town read, Rayn and CC top mafia and Chez rulez
I don't disagree with what you wrote. BUT What if rayn is actually just really busy and therefore only gave lazy reads? Your case depends a lot on, rayn pretends to be busy and is skating by to survive day 1?
I disagree because the tone of his early posts screamed to me an eagerness to look active and progressing town without actually doing so. There also have been other lazy read posts in the game that havent had the scummy feel that his had
Ok. It is possible. He townread me and therefore he is my friend.
HF obviously remains 100% confirmed town. Since I'm sheeping and hard defending Deconduo he's town too. Dande makes me smile so town there as well. Koshi likes me. That gives me warm fuzzies.
Copcake, Jock, and MZ are overall neutral for me. They do towny things that can be mimicked, but I disagree on several things they say soooooo yeah.
Want to see Rayn go Rayn so waiting for that. Plus, he usually has the Tubesock decoder and can see my town beacon.
I like this Vivax. I usually disagree (not that he's said much about the game) with him but his town light is usually bright and disruptive.
Slam isn't appearing to be having fun. That makes me sad. I disagree with HF's read though. Slam always deprecates himself and is always "this is lynching me" type talk. Slam's a mystery to me, which is why I enjoy him so much.
I can easily vote anyone else I forgot about.
Whaaaaaaat?
I've been having a ball reading this shit, the mechanics here at Penske Montebello probably think I am crazy now
I forgot i wanted to re-look at this post (had it in a tab that i missed)
This post by tube was super sketchy and screamed of TMI and trying to blend in, its also his only post of the game since reads have been flowing and has no evidence/logic behind anything said
I don't think you can look at that post and think TMI. I don't feel strongly enough about anyone to actually case them and if I did it would only be to look towny. Don't worry though, I'll find something that tickles my fancy eventually.
if were in the trust tree, you are my weakest read so far and my opinion on you could violently change over the course of like literally 1 post, that being said, do better
On August 31 2022 06:21 Holyflare wrote: I just get the feeling that MZ has called Cop mafia and now everything Cop does is conf biased as them being mafia. I'm pretty sure when he pointed out the "here are the fluff posts I was talking about" he included things after the post where he mentioned it.
I also still get the feeling it's a deep bus lol because his read on dec (while not really making much sense and actually is just a huge hedge) is a lot more nuanced and fluent comparatively.
this is kinda what i meant when i said mz has nailed down his read on cc. im having a hard time distinguishing how it would be a mafia tell to have this kind of bias though because all of the updated reads feel real (like someone in the dark scum hunting) even if they are potentially confirmation bias'd
every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads
Show me a single post where i ever do this in this game please.
i'll bite because ive been trying very hard to not get a big head and think that my first read is guarenteed correct and then confirmation bias every post you made (although your cocky mafia!ryan response was just so so scummy to me)
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
What?
But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm town
Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?
But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question
Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused.
He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)
So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.
Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.
I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____
I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.
deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb
What?
But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm town
Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?
But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question
Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused.
He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)
So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.
Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.
I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____
I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.
deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote: Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.
What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?
What's the benefit of claiming town?
There is none but if someone asks you if you're town you either say "yes" or "that's a dumb question, why are you asking that?".
I mean in my opinion those are the only reasonable answers to the question as town, no?
On August 30 2022 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: One general thing. I would like if everyone also placed their votes into the game thread as well when they do vote. I am going to have very hard time following the voting thread as well especially near the deadlines this week since i am at work, and it's not once or twice i dont have all the votes correctly because people dont post them here also (i find voting threads idiotic and confusing and just host's way to have less work).
game mechanics
before you gave reads basically all your posts were branched off of this or questions that werent going to really lead anywhere
also thats the last i'll post on that because it has way too much of chance of swerving off into pedantic discussion of definitions and other shit that will do absolutely nothing to help lynch mafia
On August 31 2022 08:57 Holyflare wrote: How's life Mattchew? Missed ya buddy
life is good and busy, this final vote timer is gonna be the death of me because I will be working during that time but oh well. also judging by the 2 posts after this one i may already be ruining another mafia game.
man i do not like either of mz or rels. rels made a really good point about rayn that has me super questioning my read on him, his emotional manipulation would be HELLA bitch made if he was mafia doing that. the only person i like on the Rels train is koshi and the only person i like on the MZ train is HF (but he may be pocketing me TBD)
Reading up on the past 20ish pages, felt to me like we had 3 town wagons and that the people moving votes around towards the end were more likely town then mafia. This opinion is completely based in the fact that i think mz is town. If i am correct, it would have been incredibly easy for mafia to hide votes scattered amongst dec mz rels. The only person heavily posting at the end of day that i didnt like was slam.
Mz is mafia, a. A mafia is ded and the people voting him are probably town cause the guts to stay on that bus is just too great for me to fathom
B. Mz is town and while we get significantly less vote logic we atleast dont head into day 2 distracted by how yesterdays lynch and votes and connections are made.
But matt, you think mz is town, yes but i am not nearly good or smart enough to think i am absolutely right or that i feel strong enough about my day 1 read to warrant keeping someone that could be an easy mafia tunnel/mafia member alive
Sorry for mailin it in this night phase, i will be better at being more active (i doubt im a mafia target) i personally hate irl excuses so I will try to never make them.
I have just been hit with a cold feeling that mafia are completely controlling this game. So many frail players to pick off if the mafia team is competent they could be coasting to a win
I also contextualized that mz flipping town helps clarify that theres little to no vote logic needing to be applied to the decon lynch as mafia would have been able to hide on any of the candidates without fear. It would also help read rels hammer play because mafia doing that when mz is town makes no sense.
On September 02 2022 22:42 Mattchew wrote: I have just been hit with a cold feeling that mafia are completely controlling this game. So many frail players to pick off if the mafia team is competent they could be coasting to a win
How is this possible if i am mafia and i am not even doing anything in your opinion?
This would be a case of me having a pit in my stomach like ive been wrong about my mafia reads
On September 02 2022 23:46 Mattchew wrote: Oh and if im wrong about mz and he was vig shot as mafia, the day 1 lynch becomes an incredible resource going forward in the game
What?
To clarify the bolded
My read is mz is town, if he is/ was vig shot and flipped mafia
On September 02 2022 23:45 Vivax wrote: Good stuff, rayn. Have an axe Do you also carry a hunting knife at all times when driving like I've been told Finns do?
On September 03 2022 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you mean what Rels as mafia gains from hammering either Deconduo or MZ (if they are both town), well he gains that he is not lynched.
when he made that hammer i dont think he was at risk (3 votes to their 4/5 each
me wanting you dead does not mean i dont think your town. I just think it gives the maximum information about yesterdays lynch (you avoided the late bandwagon) and there was/is enough people calling you mafia that you could be an easy mislynch. again, i am not cocky enough to think because i think your town that you wont flip mafia. you can call it lazy i would call it being efficient
On September 03 2022 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you mean what Rels as mafia gains from hammering either Deconduo or MZ (if they are both town), well he gains that he is not lynched.
when he made that hammer i dont think he was at risk (3 votes to their 4/5 each
wait so think as mafia rels doesnt hammer on a town wagon??? how does that make sense?
what does he gain is what im asking. he coulda just left his vote where it was and decon is still dead
On September 03 2022 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you mean what Rels as mafia gains from hammering either Deconduo or MZ (if they are both town), well he gains that he is not lynched.
when he made that hammer i dont think he was at risk (3 votes to their 4/5 each
wait so think as mafia rels doesnt hammer on a town wagon??? how does that make sense?
what does he gain is what im asking. he coulda just left his vote where it was and decon is still dead
yes and he could do what he did an decon was dead. so what gives? like if MZ and decon (obviously) are town, then mafia Rels doesnt give a fuck where he puts his vote, no?
yes i want one of my top town reads vigi shot because i think fundamentally it makes the most sense and brings about the most information that would lead to a town victory. you can fundamentally disagree with shooting town but to read me as mafia for it when i have clearly explained my thought process is a little weird to me
On September 02 2022 23:45 Mattchew wrote: I also contextualized that mz flipping town helps clarify that theres little to no vote logic needing to be applied to the decon lynch as mafia would have been able to hide on any of the candidates without fear. It would also help read rels hammer play because mafia doing that when mz is town makes no sense.
Did you just TMI confirmed me town? Because I was scum, why would scum be able to move without fear? Even though the result ended up dec vs MZ, I ended up with 3 votes, just 1 shy of MZ - wouldn't have taken much for me to die (Jock that scumread me and dec to survive for example). So what you've said is only true if I'm town?
you had 20 minutes where you we firmly ok with 4/4/3 votes making it incredibly hard for a town wagon to occur on you if you were mafia. what i am saying is that in my opinion you did what your thought was best for the game regardless of the backlash it was going to put on you which i believe to be a very townie quality
On September 02 2022 23:45 Mattchew wrote: I also contextualized that mz flipping town helps clarify that theres little to no vote logic needing to be applied to the decon lynch as mafia would have been able to hide on any of the candidates without fear. It would also help read rels hammer play because mafia doing that when mz is town makes no sense.
Did you just TMI confirmed me town? Because I was scum, why would scum be able to move without fear? Even though the result ended up dec vs MZ, I ended up with 3 votes, just 1 shy of MZ - wouldn't have taken much for me to die (Jock that scumread me and dec to survive for example). So what you've said is only true if I'm town?
you had 20 minutes where you we firmly ok with 4/4/3 votes making it incredibly hard for a town wagon to occur on you if you were mafia. what i am saying is that in my opinion you did what your thought was best for the game regardless of the backlash it was going to put on you which i believe to be a very townie quality
Yeah I understand what you're saying about me. What I don't understand is why MZ's being dead proves anything regarding the votes, and it would be game changing to the point of you asking for MZ being vig'd.
It wasn't a 1v1, it was a 1v1v1. If you argument is "it was a 1v1, if both are town so we know scum can relax on the vote and probably only town participated in last minute switch" or something like that, then it doesn't work because it was not the situation. It was a 1v1v1, so that logic can only apply if all 3 of us are dead and flip town?
(regardless, I think it's also pretty weird to want his townread vig'd even if it was really a 1v1. I know you explained that one but I still find it very hard to understand)
the timing of your swap was a 1v1 imo. if mz is town it tells me that its even less likely you are mafia AND it benefits town greatly to know that vote logic on day 1 is basically meaningless as mafia could voted wherever the fuck they wanted
On September 02 2022 23:45 Mattchew wrote: I also contextualized that mz flipping town helps clarify that theres little to no vote logic needing to be applied to the decon lynch as mafia would have been able to hide on any of the candidates without fear. It would also help read rels hammer play because mafia doing that when mz is town makes no sense.
Did you just TMI confirmed me town? Because I was scum, why would scum be able to move without fear? Even though the result ended up dec vs MZ, I ended up with 3 votes, just 1 shy of MZ - wouldn't have taken much for me to die (Jock that scumread me and dec to survive for example). So what you've said is only true if I'm town?
you had 20 minutes where you we firmly ok with 4/4/3 votes making it incredibly hard for a town wagon to occur on you if you were mafia. what i am saying is that in my opinion you did what your thought was best for the game regardless of the backlash it was going to put on you which i believe to be a very townie quality
Yeah I understand what you're saying about me. What I don't understand is why MZ's being dead proves anything regarding the votes, and it would be game changing to the point of you asking for MZ being vig'd.
It wasn't a 1v1, it was a 1v1v1. If you argument is "it was a 1v1, if both are town so we know scum can relax on the vote and probably only town participated in last minute switch" or something like that, then it doesn't work because it was not the situation. It was a 1v1v1, so that logic can only apply if all 3 of us are dead and flip town?
(regardless, I think it's also pretty weird to want his townread vig'd even if it was really a 1v1. I know you explained that one but I still find it very hard to understand)
the timing of your swap was a 1v1 imo. if mz is town it tells me that its even less likely you are mafia AND it benefits town greatly to know that vote logic on day 1 is basically meaningless as mafia could voted wherever the fuck they wanted
Why doesn't it just mean he voted to save his life? Why wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment and no matter who the other wagon is?
save his life from what? 10 min before lynch he was fine (he was the only vote after this post) + Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2022 02:50 Grackaroni wrote: Day One VoteCount
Saying i town telled in a hypothetical when for like 10 posts before i had defended the rels hammer as a townie play if mz was town is certainly a take
On September 04 2022 12:41 Mattchew wrote: I think those dan posts are probably pretty hard to do as mafia
Really disagree. They're just (drunk?) rambling, half of it doesn't make sense (or are dry jokes, like "hf might have shoot himself") and the other half is superficial Just typing whatever comes to mind And it's easy to participate during night when nothing is at stake. He didn't had to take a stance yesterday
i took them as very drunk ramblings that lead down the path of disgruntled town putting out all of his thoughts. mafia probably would struggle to type as much as he did without a slip or he's just outplaying me and the alcohol
On September 04 2022 12:41 Mattchew wrote: I think those dan posts are probably pretty hard to do as mafia
Really disagree. They're just (drunk?) rambling, half of it doesn't make sense (or are dry jokes, like "hf might have shoot himself") and the other half is superficial Just typing whatever comes to mind And it's easy to participate during night when nothing is at stake. He didn't had to take a stance yesterday
i took them as very drunk ramblings that lead down the path of disgruntled town putting out all of his thoughts. mafia probably would struggle to type as much as he did without a slip or he's just outplaying me and the alcohol
He cannot be disgruntled town though. He didn't do anything d2. What would he be disgruntled about
this is true, maybe just sad town that he's losing? idk maybe im completely off but I just thought those posts read as genuine and off the cuff
On September 05 2022 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, does it look like there are assumed townies who prefer Rels over Tube over Matt, in that case it would be beneficial for mafia to try to change the lynch from Rels/Tube (tied i think) to Mattchew to get the people ultimately end up on Tube.
I would agree with Mattchew that people misinterpreted my post.
On September 05 2022 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, does it look like there are assumed townies who prefer Rels over Tube over Matt, in that case it would be beneficial for mafia to try to change the lynch from Rels/Tube (tied i think) to Mattchew to get the people ultimately end up on Tube.
I would agree with Mattchew that people misinterpreted my post.
which post?
No fucking clue
Also holyflare has been my top town and im in his fucking pocket and idk man his posting just feels so townie and im probably bad but i gotta go with it.
Chez doesnt have to so shit this game yet still has participated in his chez way so hes probably town
On September 05 2022 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, does it look like there are assumed townies who prefer Rels over Tube over Matt, in that case it would be beneficial for mafia to try to change the lynch from Rels/Tube (tied i think) to Mattchew to get the people ultimately end up on Tube.
I would agree with Mattchew that people misinterpreted my post.
which post?
No fucking clue
Also holyflare has been my top town and im in his fucking pocket and idk man his posting just feels so townie and im probably bad but i gotta go with it.
Chez doesnt have to so shit this game yet still has participated in his chez way so hes probably town
Maybe HF is just town if he... is town? :D I don't get this about Chez, he has gotten more participating since the beginning, but it is not too unlike he participates as mafia either, in his own way. Basically he always participates in his own way regardless of alignment.
This is probably fair, and a portion of my read is certainly how i like when chez is in the game because he brings a unique style and substance. I could be getting lured into a chez mafia win but i def dont think hes the lynch today atleast
On September 05 2022 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really don't know Mattchew, why is Rels town?
Cause i still think mz is town day 1 votes make no sense to me for rels being mafia. So far weve had 3 realistic lynch candidates, decon, mz, rels, tube and me. If they are all town as i suspect, mafia has had it incredibly easy dispersing votes, getting on (or even leading) wagons quickly and not having to hop off. Do you see a team existing of rels and MZ?
but man unless someone is bussing this wagon is way too easy and rels is almost certainly.
basically almost instantly everyone but me, chez, rels and jock (a literal afk) were on rels. it basically only makes rels is mafia sense if me and chez are his partners which is fucking crazy
i would guess the only other person that makes sense for the "rels turns mafia" team is holyflare with a late "i cant help you now" bus.... but with 24 hours in the day remaining and making no attempt to save his teammate even that seems farfetched
On September 07 2022 03:46 Vivax wrote: HF climbs the truth ladder. Redeemed. If anyone ever makes a movie about my mafia insanity I insist on an actor I know from old school days, he‘ll appreciate a few old pics I got
On September 08 2022 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Matt claims doctor/JK, it allegedly clears me MZ claims parity cop, cake is mafia HF is allegedly cleared by matt
If cake is lynched and mafia, one mafia left. There is Slam/Chezinu/Vivax left. I guess we can lose, we have to hit there right.
If Cake is town and not miller then lynch MZ. Same situation, but i think at this point we need to believe MZ claim 100% of the time.
yeah i take back my HF clearing. still think hes town, but thought he was blue getting rb'd
i only said holy was roleblocked because he said he was roleblocked which in turn made him say he was roleblocked, unless hes now claiming a tracker role, that was roleblocked for real?
ok i just read the madness that was hf and rayn fighting
so lets clarify cause i dont see myself making it thru the night.
i am the doctor. n1 hf n2 hf n3 rayn
i figured even if i played super obvious blue n3 mafia would be dumb to shoot the claimed cop with the strong possibility a doctor or jailer or him being vet present.
On September 10 2022 03:10 Mattchew wrote: Do we think that mz checks vivax
They likely have a rber so it's kinda redundant imo but yes he should.
But either way it's basically confirmed.
Feel like a rb and a vig is a lot vs a doc/cop no? Also if anyone else wants to claim a role tonight should be considered the last chance. Im obvi getting capped so i just wanna play with max info
On September 10 2022 03:05 Mattchew wrote: Hf i might have saved you
What are your saves? Did you post them already?
On September 08 2022 09:06 Mattchew wrote: ok i just read the madness that was hf and rayn fighting
so lets clarify cause i dont see myself making it thru the night.
i am the doctor. n1 hf n2 hf n3 rayn
i figured even if i played super obvious blue n3 mafia would be dumb to shoot the claimed cop with the strong possibility a doctor or jailer or him being vet present.
On September 12 2022 23:33 Chezinu wrote: Hey Vivax, can you explain how HF is town, cause you've been the only one clear this game in summarizing what happened with night actions concisely.
Copcake flipped vig. Vig shot didn't go off the entire game.
You make a judgement call whether:
1) Mafia held their vig shot for no reason.
2) I am mafia and got roleblocked n1/n2 and the kill didn't go off on one of those nights
3) Mafia shot me and I got saved
Given I was very likely to be protected (and indicated as such at both nights) it should be likely to you (and most people) that I wouldn't want to carry a mafia shot in fear of it getting randomly blocked by a protection role.
thinking back on this hf is very likely to be town. he would likely be the logical choice for mafia to send out for kp n1/n2 with rels and cake having so much heat on them from the start of the game.
That said im basically positive theres a mafia rb in the game, shooting mz with me having claimed doc (or jk if you read that) is just so fucking bold with me having potential to save
Im not up on the meta of this mechanic but i would imagine you would send your least suspected person to carry out mafia kp early to try and avoid tracker/jk
On September 13 2022 05:51 Mattchew wrote: Im not up on the meta of this mechanic but i would imagine you would send your least suspected person to carry out mafia kp early to try and avoid tracker/jk
You keep saying this but then that means a NK was blocked and I am mafia :D :D :D?
On September 13 2022 05:51 Mattchew wrote: Im not up on the meta of this mechanic but i would imagine you would send your least suspected person to carry out mafia kp early to try and avoid tracker/jk
You keep saying this but then that means a NK was blocked and I am mafia :D :D :D?
no, you are not reading my posts correctly
What on earth am I misreading?
You would send your least suspected person to carry KP to avoid a tracker/jk and in a me/rels/cop team that == me?
And you JKd me and KP didn't go off? :D
What's the misreading?
what you are inferring makes no sense is what i was implying made no sense. I am completely agreeing with you and you are restating my points as to why i think your town, but in a way that seems to imply that i think your mafia. you are reading the tone or the message of my posts incorrectly
Rayn and vivax would be my top 2. I just think chez has participated in the game in a townie albeit strange way. I will jail him but i think hes town. Vivax on d2 had a very weird/bad list and his reasons for voting tubesock were filmsy at best. But in reality those 2 are just POE for me i have very little case on either
my initial n1 n2 holyflare and n3 rayn were to protect people i thought were town and had a chance of dying
my n4 was intended to be a "check" on rayn figuring that i would be mafia's target as nk'n on MZ would be a huge loss. with mz being shot it leads me to believe with almost certainty that theres a mafia rb so my n4 jailing probably means nothing, as will tonights
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