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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 29 2020 01:23 GMT
#481
I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.

You have to choose a player to target.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 29 2020 01:23 GMT
#482
On October 29 2020 10:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.

You have to choose a player to target.

what you talking about fool it says it right in the op
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 29 2020 01:27 GMT
#483
Ask the damn host if you doubt me. I think people are misreading the OP.

I believe "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is information as it relates to how the role of an individual player may change and/or increase in power if corruption level increases, rather than information about what corruption causes in general.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 29 2020 01:28 GMT
#484
You will recieve a clue about that player's role or the setup at large. You can choose to learn whether your target has a role that has been in a previous aperture game before, If your target has activated some part of their role, what modifiers, if any, are currently affecting your target, or what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause.


i did ask though
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 29 2020 01:31 GMT
#485
I specifically asked whether I could look target the Corruption Counter and seek information on it. The response I got was that I must always target a player.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 29 2020 01:33 GMT
#486
On October 29 2020 10:31 Hapahauli wrote:
I specifically asked whether I could look target the Corruption Counter and seek information on it. The response I got was that I must always target a player.

well target a player and choose that
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 29 2020 01:34 GMT
#487
Assuming that I have the option to do so, I will.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 29 2020 01:39 GMT
#488
i think its just saying you have to target a player but the information can be about that player or the setup at large thats how i understand it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 29 2020 02:07 GMT
#489
here are my limited reads at this point


1.Iamperfection – confirmed town


2. Hapahauli – absolutely 3p consider killing late game if still alive. I don’t see him making a 3p claim the way he did as scum.

3. Grackaroni - almost as useless as onegu somehow. Null

4. Onegu – useless not reading the thread as I made a joke about him and he didn’t respond can shoot

5. Dirkzor – slightly townish for reasons he was a bit brash early making think town but not a super strong read

6. Acrofales – his posts always scare me but I think he might be town this time- a very weak town read as he somewhat looks like rayn trying to figure things out.

7. ShoCkeyy – I don’t know very confusing. The needing to post to say he was busy but to stick around with small heat was scummy null to slightly scumish

8. Alakaslam - the scum haven’t posted comment struck me as weird but most of his posts I find strange

9. Tictock – vig

10. Koshi – vig.

11. Raynpelikoneet – town large activity, trying to figure things out

12. Yamato77- scumish – hasn’t contributed in a meaningful way. The anger seemed real but I think that could come from either alignment so it doesn’t get him any town points
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 29 2020 02:19 GMT
#490
Kinda forgot about this, sorta didn't expect to start before halloween.

Wading in anyways.

First off, it is suprisingly amusing trying to piece together the setup from discussion alone. I also get a towny vibe from IAM being kinda a dissenting voice early on when Acro/Diz/Rayn were formulating setup strats.

Rayn also made a town-leaning post imo, #89 iirc. Also like where his mindset is in regards to the early setup plans.

From my experience in greymist games, game mechanics are pretty insane and can be misleading in a variety of ways so it's best not to get TOO focused and bogged down by then. However, the complexity of the mechanics can and should provide lots of discussion. I think I have seen coordination of actions and then verifying results be more successful than mass claims and would prefer to follow that style here. + Show Spoiler +
This is definitely not just because I do not understand my role or the setup right now
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 29 2020 02:38 GMT
#491
On October 29 2020 00:39 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:24 Acrofales wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Slightly town.

I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things:
1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town;
2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database;
3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives.

I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played.

Do you always post this... constructed?


I try to present my reads in a very constructed format.

That all being said, I'm having a bit of a hard time thinking about how I want to approach this game, because my role has two win conditions. One is that I can win with town, and the other is... a bit strange, but potentially pro-town. I may choose to reveal more as I learn more about the setup.

I hate survivor claims. But yeah, feel free to afk all game. Zzzzz.

Pinging out this post.

Acro in general reads fairly scummy to me this far. He has this bouncy all over the place energy, feels like he is poking and prodding but though he claimed it was for info hasn't really talked much about reads.

I think the reason this post is sticking with me is the instant label and brush aside tone, which just feels scummy to me. Especially when Happa's post had an air of honesty imo.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 29 2020 03:10 GMT
#492
Lol, I don't know what Sho is doing as either alignment.

Posts excuses, says he has no time, hangs around to fight the same fight he says he is tired of fighting...

Since I have only seen Grack volunteer so far I would also like to volunteer to do the database thing as I now understand and mildly dislike my role. Bonus WIFOM: I have basically had this role before.

Will finish reading (up to page 15 now) and double check the setup to make sure I know what's up later but I am done phone posting as I am getting some weird issue with my phone deciding I am done typing when I am not.
I can take that responsibility.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 29 2020 03:35 GMT
#493
On October 29 2020 11:07 iamperfection wrote:
here are my limited reads at this point


1.Iamperfection – confirmed town


2. Hapahauli – absolutely 3p consider killing late game if still alive. I don’t see him making a 3p claim the way he did as scum.

3. Grackaroni - almost as useless as onegu somehow. Null

4. Onegu – useless not reading the thread as I made a joke about him and he didn’t respond can shoot

5. Dirkzor – slightly townish for reasons he was a bit brash early making think town but not a super strong read

6. Acrofales – his posts always scare me but I think he might be town this time- a very weak town read as he somewhat looks like rayn trying to figure things out.

7. ShoCkeyy – I don’t know very confusing. The needing to post to say he was busy but to stick around with small heat was scummy null to slightly scumish

8. Alakaslam - the scum haven’t posted comment struck me as weird but most of his posts I find strange

9. Tictock – vig

10. Koshi – vig.

11. Raynpelikoneet – town large activity, trying to figure things out

12. Yamato77- scumish – hasn’t contributed in a meaningful way. The anger seemed real but I think that could come from either alignment so it doesn’t get him any town points



Lol me read the thread... Also game just charted and 2 people want me gone even though I am VT currently.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 29 2020 03:35 GMT
#494
ebwop: Started
Try TL Mafia!!!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 29 2020 03:41 GMT
#495
I can't say I'm not tempted to make 'almost as useless as Onegu somehow' my sig.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 29 2020 03:49 GMT
#496
On October 29 2020 12:35 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 11:07 iamperfection wrote:
here are my limited reads at this point


1.Iamperfection – confirmed town


2. Hapahauli – absolutely 3p consider killing late game if still alive. I don’t see him making a 3p claim the way he did as scum.

3. Grackaroni - almost as useless as onegu somehow. Null

4. Onegu – useless not reading the thread as I made a joke about him and he didn’t respond can shoot

5. Dirkzor – slightly townish for reasons he was a bit brash early making think town but not a super strong read

6. Acrofales – his posts always scare me but I think he might be town this time- a very weak town read as he somewhat looks like rayn trying to figure things out.

7. ShoCkeyy – I don’t know very confusing. The needing to post to say he was busy but to stick around with small heat was scummy null to slightly scumish

8. Alakaslam - the scum haven’t posted comment struck me as weird but most of his posts I find strange

9. Tictock – vig

10. Koshi – vig.

11. Raynpelikoneet – town large activity, trying to figure things out

12. Yamato77- scumish – hasn’t contributed in a meaningful way. The anger seemed real but I think that could come from either alignment so it doesn’t get him any town points



Lol me read the thread... Also game just charted and 2 people want me gone even though I am VT currently.

i dont want you gone i just dont care if you die there's a diffrence
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 29 2020 04:11 GMT
#497
On October 29 2020 08:25 Onegu wrote:
Also I may have lost something so if you find something it is most likely mine and should be returned asap. Thank you!

What are you looking for?

If it's a lemon I've been searching for 8 years and if it's a banana I didn't give it to you.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 04:40 GMT
#498
If I had a gun I would shoot Shockey. His posts read as smug and flippant and that's a general scumtell in my book. I no longer really want to send him because he refuses to be more open about much of anything.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 04:45 GMT
#499
I think we should only send Hapa personally.
Writer@WriterYamato
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 29 2020 05:05 GMT
#500
Ok, so looking over the setup I am thinking sending 2 people to the database is the move here. Sending 3 makes it easy for a 4th to sneak in and add corruption (assuming that's a thing anybody wants), and similarly with sending 1 and them not going (less likely, but still). I also think one of the people who access the database should check what the next level of corruption will do, not only does that seem like the most reliable bit of information that can be retrieved but it will remove ambiguity about the whole mechanic and possibly give us the option to use the database more freely the next night if it turns out the mechanic isn't too bad at the first stage.

I am a bit leery of Sho saying he might be the best person to check the database without trying to back it up with anything. The mechanic seems to imply Mafia do not get a benefit from checking, but I am assuming it relates to some role's win-cons or is a 3d party mechanic (it is bolded like a 3rd party in the OP).

I would like to find out what the next level of corruption would do, so that's my basis for volunteering and what action I would take. I'm also no longer so keen on the thought of sending scum reads to do the checks as I don't think it would really force anything (they could actually use the opportunity to carry KP, lie about the check and thus add double levels of misinformation to town).

The more I've thought about it, I think focusing on what checks we preform at the database over who gets sent is probably the way to go with that mechanic.
I can take that responsibility.
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