EPT[M][N] I'm a cop you idiot! - Round 2 - Page 2
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ruXxar
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Dadred
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Basically you have a game where you have 2 claims vs 2 fakeclaims and everyone else clear D1. Which is stupid. Sure it can be the deal anyways, but at least you can have the option of it not being the case. I propose you add something like 10 minutes silent period by the end of night phases. That doesn't really do anything other than prevent last second claims. It takes out the town advantage in case of a counter-claim situation. I don't think town needs that in this game. Another option would be, as we discussed during last game - having N0 silent, but then it makes the game really boring for the person who dies N0 so i wouldn't recommend that. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On September 26 2020 14:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapa i did some thinking and i think you need to change the setup a little bit more. Basically what Damdred did last game was gameplaywise the correct play for the doctor. Which leads to the following: The setup as it is now comes down to the cop claiming last second N0. Same goes for the doc. Just because it is the correct play. Therefore in case mafia doesn't follow the same guidelines you have un'cc'd cop and doc on D1 and mafia cannot cc anymore (i don't think anyone would have believed Vivax last game in case he did cc Damdred D1 -- at least i would never have lol). Basically you have a game where you have 2 claims vs 2 fakeclaims and everyone else clear D1. Which is stupid. Sure it can be the deal anyways, but at least you can have the option of it not being the case. I propose you add something like 10 minutes silent period by the end of night phases. That doesn't really do anything other than prevent last second claims. It takes out the town advantage in case of a counter-claim situation. I don't think town needs that in this game. Another option would be, as we discussed during last game - having N0 silent, but then it makes the game really boring for the person who dies N0 so i wouldn't recommend that. Or he could start on day1. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
D1 start is essentially Really small mafia where one VT is replaced with a cop. Really small mafia in itself is perfectly balanced (or at least not mafia favored), town has won 2 out of 2 games of it here (although the second game was 50% bullshit win in the end). | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On September 26 2020 15:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it needs to start on N0, the big part of the idea of the game is D1 MYLO. D1 start is essentially Really small mafia where one VT is replaced with a cop. Really small mafia in itself is perfectly balanced (or at least not mafia favored), town has won 2 out of 2 games of it here (although the second game was 50% bullshit win in the end). I see. Wouldn't it be better? Also, regarding the problems you've said before, maybe mafia does not counterclaim at all? If 4 are confirmed because 2 fakeclaimed, maybe they should stick to only claiming cop or not claiming at all? If they only fake claim cop, then they'll have just one confirmed townie, who will day n1. Also, what if the doctor is removed from the game? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
That's another point of discussion because it's a different setup. If Hapa wants to run the i'm a cop you idiot, then the solution to improve the setup isn't to turn it into another setup.  Also, regarding the problems you've said before, maybe mafia does not counterclaim at all? If 4 are confirmed because 2 fakeclaimed, maybe they should stick to only claiming cop or not claiming at all? If they only fake claim cop, then they'll have just one confirmed townie, who will day n1. I don't see why they would do that? It adds more options to mafia in my opinion, even though town has "more" confirmed townies. I mean, maybe that's just how i think. Like last game i would have definitely fakeclaimed cop against anyone but Vivax in case i was mafia, banked on me being more trusthworthy than the other cop and STILL shot the real cop N0. And the real problem is not if mafia should claim or not. The problem is that IF town decides to claim, mafia must act on it pre-emptively and guess if town is gonna do it or not for them to make the play they think is the best at the time. I don't think that's a good "mechanic" in a mafia game. Also, what if the doctor is removed from the game? Again, different setup. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On September 26 2020 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's another point of discussion because it's a different setup. If Hapa wants to run the i'm a cop you idiot, then the solution to improve the setup isn't to turn it into another setup. I don't see why they would do that? It adds more options to mafia in my opinion, even though town has "more" confirmed townies. I mean, maybe that's just how i think. Like last game i would have definitely fakeclaimed cop against anyone but Vivax in case i was mafia, banked on me being more trusthworthy than the other cop and STILL shot the real cop N0. And the real problem is not if mafia should claim or not. The problem is that IF town decides to claim, mafia must act on it pre-emptively and guess if town is gonna do it or not for them to make the play they think is the best at the time. I don't think that's a good "mechanic" in a mafia game. Again, different setup. LOL ok let's consider the setup won't change, then. I meant to say that your point is: town will claim cop and doctor, mafia will fakeclaim cop and doctor. It leaves us 3 "confirmed" townies, right? Whoever is outside the claims is obviously town. Then mafia shouldn't fakeclaim doctor. This will leave more options open because town will have only one "confirmed" town: the doctor. Then n1 de doctor dies. Am I getting something wrong? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
What i am saying it doesn't leave mafia the choice to choose other than pre-emptively. | ||
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CopCake
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Eversince
Philippines2303 Posts
On September 26 2020 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying what is the best play, it always depends on the situation. What i am saying it doesn't leave mafia the choice to choose other than pre-emptively. Agreed. Mafia has no choice. You either throw dice or lose. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2303 Posts
On September 26 2020 16:19 GlowingBear wrote: LOL ok let's consider the setup won't change, then. I meant to say that your point is: town will claim cop and doctor, mafia will fakeclaim cop and doctor. It leaves us 3 "confirmed" townies, right? Whoever is outside the claims is obviously town. Then mafia shouldn't fakeclaim doctor. This will leave more options open because town will have only one "confirmed" town: the doctor. Then n1 de doctor dies. Am I getting something wrong? There is a world that mafia fake claims doc. Town doc stays quite until d1. But mafia then has to convince town their real doc. Cc happens d1 and there fucked if they miss the cop. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Eversince
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On September 26 2020 02:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Slam just fucking in already, I gave you Ronald McConnell ona train. Although I greatly appreciate that, I am unable. These days I uber from 7am to midnight. Except on teaching days. Sunday is my only day off. Thank God for religion. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
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Eversince
Philippines2303 Posts
On September 28 2020 02:52 Alakaslam wrote: Although I greatly appreciate that, I am unable. These days I uber from 7am to midnight. Except on teaching days. Sunday is my only day off. Thank God for religion. Edgy response, at least there is one provable example of religion helping humanity. | ||
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