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THIS GAME STARTS AT NIGHT 0. Please submit night actions. Nights will normally last 24 hours.
Doctor can save any target except for himself. Doctor cannot act on Night 0.
Cop can check anyone's alignment.
Mafia cannot no-kill. If no shot is submitted, a shot will be RNG'd between all town players.
Note: I'm not going to have internet access until September 27th, so game will not start until then.
Role PMs: Vanilla Town:
Townie!
Doctor:
You're the doctor!
Every night (except for Night 0), you may PM the host the identity of a player you want to "save". That player is protected from being killed by mafia for the night.
You are allowed to save the same target multiple nights in a row.
Once again, you cannot act on Night 0.
Cop:
You're the cop!
Every night, you may check the alignment of a player by PM'ing the host (me). At the beginning of the next day, the host will confirm with you wither the player subject of your check is mafia or town aligned.
I think you should just /in both you and Kurumi. Kurumi, there is no such thing as sitout now. But if you think there is, I'm a banlist pardoner and I pardon you. There. You're free to /in
On September 26 2020 03:50 GlowingBear wrote: N4 is hydra again?
I think you should just /in both you and Kurumi. Kurumi, there is no such thing as sitout now. But if you think there is, I'm a banlist pardoner and I pardon you. There. You're free to /in
I have my passwords saved, and I am lazy to look for it.
Hapa i did some thinking and i think you need to change the setup a little bit more. Basically what Damdred did last game was gameplaywise the correct play for the doctor. Which leads to the following: The setup as it is now comes down to the cop claiming last second N0. Same goes for the doc. Just because it is the correct play. Therefore in case mafia doesn't follow the same guidelines you have un'cc'd cop and doc on D1 and mafia cannot cc anymore (i don't think anyone would have believed Vivax last game in case he did cc Damdred D1 -- at least i would never have lol).
Basically you have a game where you have 2 claims vs 2 fakeclaims and everyone else clear D1. Which is stupid. Sure it can be the deal anyways, but at least you can have the option of it not being the case.
I propose you add something like 10 minutes silent period by the end of night phases. That doesn't really do anything other than prevent last second claims. It takes out the town advantage in case of a counter-claim situation. I don't think town needs that in this game. Another option would be, as we discussed during last game - having N0 silent, but then it makes the game really boring for the person who dies N0 so i wouldn't recommend that.
On September 26 2020 14:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapa i did some thinking and i think you need to change the setup a little bit more. Basically what Damdred did last game was gameplaywise the correct play for the doctor. Which leads to the following: The setup as it is now comes down to the cop claiming last second N0. Same goes for the doc. Just because it is the correct play. Therefore in case mafia doesn't follow the same guidelines you have un'cc'd cop and doc on D1 and mafia cannot cc anymore (i don't think anyone would have believed Vivax last game in case he did cc Damdred D1 -- at least i would never have lol).
Basically you have a game where you have 2 claims vs 2 fakeclaims and everyone else clear D1. Which is stupid. Sure it can be the deal anyways, but at least you can have the option of it not being the case.
I propose you add something like 10 minutes silent period by the end of night phases. That doesn't really do anything other than prevent last second claims. It takes out the town advantage in case of a counter-claim situation. I don't think town needs that in this game. Another option would be, as we discussed during last game - having N0 silent, but then it makes the game really boring for the person who dies N0 so i wouldn't recommend that.
No it needs to start on N0, the big part of the idea of the game is D1 MYLO.
D1 start is essentially Really small mafia where one VT is replaced with a cop. Really small mafia in itself is perfectly balanced (or at least not mafia favored), town has won 2 out of 2 games of it here (although the second game was 50% bullshit win in the end).
On September 26 2020 15:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it needs to start on N0, the big part of the idea of the game is D1 MYLO.
D1 start is essentially Really small mafia where one VT is replaced with a cop. Really small mafia in itself is perfectly balanced (or at least not mafia favored), town has won 2 out of 2 games of it here (although the second game was 50% bullshit win in the end).
I see. Wouldn't it be better?
Also, regarding the problems you've said before, maybe mafia does not counterclaim at all? If 4 are confirmed because 2 fakeclaimed, maybe they should stick to only claiming cop or not claiming at all?
If they only fake claim cop, then they'll have just one confirmed townie, who will day n1.
Also, what if the doctor is removed from the game?
On September 26 2020 15:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it needs to start on N0, the big part of the idea of the game is D1 MYLO.
D1 start is essentially Really small mafia where one VT is replaced with a cop. Really small mafia in itself is perfectly balanced (or at least not mafia favored), town has won 2 out of 2 games of it here (although the second game was 50% bullshit win in the end).
I see. Wouldn't it be better?
That's another point of discussion because it's a different setup. If Hapa wants to run the i'm a cop you idiot, then the solution to improve the setup isn't to turn it into another setup.
Also, regarding the problems you've said before, maybe mafia does not counterclaim at all? If 4 are confirmed because 2 fakeclaimed, maybe they should stick to only claiming cop or not claiming at all?
If they only fake claim cop, then they'll have just one confirmed townie, who will day n1.
I don't see why they would do that? It adds more options to mafia in my opinion, even though town has "more" confirmed townies. I mean, maybe that's just how i think. Like last game i would have definitely fakeclaimed cop against anyone but Vivax in case i was mafia, banked on me being more trusthworthy than the other cop and STILL shot the real cop N0.
And the real problem is not if mafia should claim or not. The problem is that IF town decides to claim, mafia must act on it pre-emptively and guess if town is gonna do it or not for them to make the play they think is the best at the time. I don't think that's a good "mechanic" in a mafia game.
Also, what if the doctor is removed from the game?
On September 26 2020 15:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it needs to start on N0, the big part of the idea of the game is D1 MYLO.
D1 start is essentially Really small mafia where one VT is replaced with a cop. Really small mafia in itself is perfectly balanced (or at least not mafia favored), town has won 2 out of 2 games of it here (although the second game was 50% bullshit win in the end).
I see. Wouldn't it be better?
That's another point of discussion because it's a different setup. If Hapa wants to run the i'm a cop you idiot, then the solution to improve the setup isn't to turn it into another setup.
Also, regarding the problems you've said before, maybe mafia does not counterclaim at all? If 4 are confirmed because 2 fakeclaimed, maybe they should stick to only claiming cop or not claiming at all?
If they only fake claim cop, then they'll have just one confirmed townie, who will day n1.
I don't see why they would do that? It adds more options to mafia in my opinion, even though town has "more" confirmed townies. I mean, maybe that's just how i think. Like last game i would have definitely fakeclaimed cop against anyone but Vivax in case i was mafia, banked on me being more trusthworthy than the other cop and STILL shot the real cop N0.
And the real problem is not if mafia should claim or not. The problem is that IF town decides to claim, mafia must act on it pre-emptively and guess if town is gonna do it or not for them to make the play they think is the best at the time. I don't think that's a good "mechanic" in a mafia game.
Also, what if the doctor is removed from the game?
Again, different setup.
LOL ok let's consider the setup won't change, then.
I meant to say that your point is: town will claim cop and doctor, mafia will fakeclaim cop and doctor. It leaves us 3 "confirmed" townies, right? Whoever is outside the claims is obviously town. Then mafia shouldn't fakeclaim doctor. This will leave more options open because town will have only one "confirmed" town: the doctor. Then n1 de doctor dies.
I am not saying what is the best play, it always depends on the situation. What i am saying it doesn't leave mafia the choice to choose other than pre-emptively.
On September 26 2020 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying what is the best play, it always depends on the situation. What i am saying it doesn't leave mafia the choice to choose other than pre-emptively.
Agreed. Mafia has no choice. You either throw dice or lose.
On September 26 2020 15:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it needs to start on N0, the big part of the idea of the game is D1 MYLO.
D1 start is essentially Really small mafia where one VT is replaced with a cop. Really small mafia in itself is perfectly balanced (or at least not mafia favored), town has won 2 out of 2 games of it here (although the second game was 50% bullshit win in the end).
I see. Wouldn't it be better?
That's another point of discussion because it's a different setup. If Hapa wants to run the i'm a cop you idiot, then the solution to improve the setup isn't to turn it into another setup.
Also, regarding the problems you've said before, maybe mafia does not counterclaim at all? If 4 are confirmed because 2 fakeclaimed, maybe they should stick to only claiming cop or not claiming at all?
If they only fake claim cop, then they'll have just one confirmed townie, who will day n1.
I don't see why they would do that? It adds more options to mafia in my opinion, even though town has "more" confirmed townies. I mean, maybe that's just how i think. Like last game i would have definitely fakeclaimed cop against anyone but Vivax in case i was mafia, banked on me being more trusthworthy than the other cop and STILL shot the real cop N0.
And the real problem is not if mafia should claim or not. The problem is that IF town decides to claim, mafia must act on it pre-emptively and guess if town is gonna do it or not for them to make the play they think is the best at the time. I don't think that's a good "mechanic" in a mafia game.
Also, what if the doctor is removed from the game?
Again, different setup.
LOL ok let's consider the setup won't change, then.
I meant to say that your point is: town will claim cop and doctor, mafia will fakeclaim cop and doctor. It leaves us 3 "confirmed" townies, right? Whoever is outside the claims is obviously town. Then mafia shouldn't fakeclaim doctor. This will leave more options open because town will have only one "confirmed" town: the doctor. Then n1 de doctor dies.
Am I getting something wrong?
There is a world that mafia fake claims doc. Town doc stays quite until d1. But mafia then has to convince town their real doc. Cc happens d1 and there fucked if they miss the cop.
On September 29 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game we are following my plan for last games and whoever manages to screw it, is too lazy to remember it or check it out gets lynched.
By your "plan" you mean lynching Shockey and Dadred?
On September 29 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game we are following my plan for last games and whoever manages to screw it, is too lazy to remember it or check it out gets lynched.
By your "plan" you mean lynching Shockey and Dadred?
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
I don't think he means that, but like in case there is someone that comes and is all like "Hey you are lying I am the cop" we follow the plan.
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
Or
OR
My mafia skills are so much honed that I can detect a fake claim without a CC!
JK DAMDRED IS MAFIA, as a cop I wouldn't have claimed N0 if I knew I can't be saved. I think damdred is just trying to pull out the counter claim to shoot them N0.
On September 29 2020 04:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: JK DAMDRED IS MAFIA, as a cop I wouldn't have claimed N0 if I knew I can't be saved. I think damdred is just trying to pull out the counter claim to shoot them N0.
On September 29 2020 04:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: JK DAMDRED IS MAFIA, as a cop I wouldn't have claimed N0 if I knew I can't be saved. I think damdred is just trying to pull out the counter claim to shoot them N0.
On September 29 2020 04:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: JK DAMDRED IS MAFIA, as a cop I wouldn't have claimed N0 if I knew I can't be saved. I think damdred is just trying to pull out the counter claim to shoot them N0.
LOL I forgot about this doctor thing
CopCake you saw this right?
Yeah but what makes you think is not faked?
Like the only person who went against Dadred was GB
On September 29 2020 04:26 Dadred wrote: Shockeyy and Cake are very likely town in this scenerio. Shockeyy picked up on things that town would , I like cakes tone atm.
I agree with this.
Gb could potentially be town as well for the reaction to my stupidity now.
No. There are a lot of things that don't add up.
1) Me and Glowingbear discussed the setup and the changes before the game started. I find it kind of hard to believe he didn't know the doctor could not act on N0, which is furthermore even more likely because of his reaction to your claim. Like when we discussed the setup changes i clearly said "if cop claims exactly at the end of N0". The end of night doesn't matter if doctor can act, because obviously the correct play is to claim in your first post as a cop if that's the case.
2) This one:
On September 29 2020 04:39 Dadred wrote: Yeah it's just POE, rayn hasn't even had a reaction to the cop claim which is a bit interesting in of itself.
Glowingbear is a smart person. He played incredibly well last game. We can probably all agree on that. Here's a problem; You wrote "rayn hasn't even had a reaction to the cop claim which is a bit interesting in of itself". You're entirely correct on that. Do you remember what was my reaction last game when shockeyy claimed? I immediately told him to shut up and post nothing more (until there is a cc). Why doesn't that difference in me interest GB a single bit this game?!?!?!? Actually i know and knew the doc cannot act N0 because i actually read the setup.... And what i did was the correct thing. I kind of believe GB knows that and that's why he didn't address this at all, and for whatever reason started pretending he doesn't know the setup after shockeyy said what he said.
3) This thing here he is the kicker:
Also worth noting the tone of gb first post reads town, in the first pm gb probably rolled mafia and got town this time. It's legit read there
I don't believe that and you shouldn't either. Yeah i know for a fact GB rolled mafia before re'rolling because i was the other mafia. Hapa even gave us a QT and there is one post, that says: " My god, this was going to be such a good team ". Do you wanna guess who wrote that?
My first impression when the game actually started was "fuck why couldn't we just have played with the old roles". I don't believe GB's first post for one second, especially because of what he wrote into the QT.
Btw i don't think Damdred is confirmed town at all for his claim. He either is not lying about not knowing the setup in which case he could claim as either alignment. Or he is lying which could also make him do what he did as either alignment.
On September 29 2020 04:28 Dadred wrote: Like the more I think about it the more I like Shockeyy and GB reaction to me. They paid attention and saw what was wrong.
What did GB see as "what was wrong" as his initial reaction to your claim?
Rayna point about me lying as either alignment is also spot on, and one that I think he would make as town more often. As scum I think in this scenerio he would want to buddy up to me anlittle and have me town Read him so that when I do get shot it would seem I am not suspecting him.
I do also like his post on GB, he while not a great read I also like his tone and it seems he is trying to solve the game rather than sow discord.
Like his interaction with Shockeyy and his "slip" is a reaction that town rayn would have to it.
If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
On September 29 2020 04:26 Dadred wrote: Shockeyy and Cake are very likely town in this scenerio. Shockeyy picked up on things that town would , I like cakes tone atm.
Gb could potentially be town as well for the reaction to my stupidity now.
No. There are a lot of things that don't add up.
1) Me and Glowingbear discussed the setup and the changes before the game started. I find it kind of hard to believe he didn't know the doctor could not act on N0, which is furthermore even more likely because of his reaction to your claim. Like when we discussed the setup changes i clearly said "if cop claims exactly at the end of N0". The end of night doesn't matter if doctor can act, because obviously the correct play is to claim in your first post as a cop if that's the case.
On September 29 2020 04:39 Dadred wrote: Yeah it's just POE, rayn hasn't even had a reaction to the cop claim which is a bit interesting in of itself.
Glowingbear is a smart person. He played incredibly well last game. We can probably all agree on that. Here's a problem; You wrote "rayn hasn't even had a reaction to the cop claim which is a bit interesting in of itself". You're entirely correct on that. Do you remember what was my reaction last game when shockeyy claimed? I immediately told him to shut up and post nothing more (until there is a cc). Why doesn't that difference in me interest GB a single bit this game?!?!?!? Actually i know and knew the doc cannot act N0 because i actually read the setup.... And what i did was the correct thing. I kind of believe GB knows that and that's why he didn't address this at all, and for whatever reason started pretending he doesn't know the setup after shockeyy said what he said.
Also worth noting the tone of gb first post reads town, in the first pm gb probably rolled mafia and got town this time. It's legit read there
I don't believe that and you shouldn't either. Yeah i know for a fact GB rolled mafia before re'rolling because i was the other mafia. Hapa even gave us a QT and there is one post, that says: " My god, this was going to be such a good team ". Do you wanna guess who wrote that?
My first impression when the game actually started was "fuck why couldn't we just have played with the old roles". I don't believe GB's first post for one second, especially because of what he wrote into the QT.
So there is that.
Explaining:
1) Yes but I'm an oblivious person and I often forget things. I just posted whatever came to my mind and then got reminded the change in the setup. 2) I have no idea what you're saying tbh. I think cop shouldn't claim n0 if doctor can't protect. 3) I believed it was going to be a good team, but I prefer playing as town. I'm glad I'm not under the pressure of being mafia.
Well i am not convinced about your towniness Damdred. I think it's about 60/40. But the good thing is you have promised to play now to the fullest on N0 and we'll see by the end of it.
Please do not talk about your claim or how you're going to die or not die (not that you have done that). Let's figure this shit out if you're town.
On September 29 2020 04:28 Dadred wrote: Like the more I think about it the more I like Shockeyy and GB reaction to me. They paid attention and saw what was wrong.
What did GB see as "what was wrong" as his initial reaction to your claim?
My vote on damdred was mostly to generate discussion as I do every time. And here we are. Do I believe 100% in his claim? No, but not to the point of saying: LOL YOU'RE LYING, YOU'RE MAFIA FAKECLAIMING. I just wanted to make people talk.
The rest, I only remembered that the setup changed once someone said it in the thread. I also forgot it was n0 again so I thought the vote was valid. That's who I am, unfortunately :/
On September 29 2020 05:24 GlowingBear wrote: Explaining:
1) Yes but I'm an oblivious person and I often forget things. I just posted whatever came to my mind and then got reminded the change in the setup. 2) I have no idea what you're saying tbh. I think cop shouldn't claim n0 if doctor can't protect. 3) I believed it was going to be a good team, but I prefer playing as town. I'm glad I'm not under the pressure of being mafia.
1) Maybe you did maybe you didn't. That's up for everyone else to decide. 2) I am saying i acted completely different against an initial claim than i did in the last game with a "same" setup (as you claim you believed it to be), yet you take no action on my irrational behavior. 3) Maybe, i for sure don't believe that's what you would write as your first post, especially after your post in the QT.
On September 29 2020 04:28 Dadred wrote: Like the more I think about it the more I like Shockeyy and GB reaction to me. They paid attention and saw what was wrong.
What did GB see as "what was wrong" as his initial reaction to your claim?
I take it he knew the setup instantly
What do you mean?
My question is, at least at this point you didn't believe GB knew the correct setup and thought doc could act N0.
Why is questioning the correct play for a cop (which is also in line with your last game claim) reasonable?
On September 29 2020 05:24 GlowingBear wrote: Explaining:
1) Yes but I'm an oblivious person and I often forget things. I just posted whatever came to my mind and then got reminded the change in the setup. 2) I have no idea what you're saying tbh. I think cop shouldn't claim n0 if doctor can't protect. 3) I believed it was going to be a good team, but I prefer playing as town. I'm glad I'm not under the pressure of being mafia.
1) Maybe you did maybe you didn't. That's up for everyone else to decide. 2) I am saying i acted completely different against an initial claim than i did in the last game with a "same" setup (as you claim you believed it to be), yet you take no action on my irrational behavior. 3) Maybe, i for sure don't believe that's what you would write as your first post, especially after your post in the QT.
1) Sure, but I felt I needed to explain. Feel free to double guess that 2) I didn't put much thought on it and I don't think you acting differently is alignment indicative. At some point "well, rayn didn't claim cop as he said he would be if he was mafia in our last game", but that's the only comparison I've made. 3) I understand where you coming from and it makes sense. But I am always relieved when I don't roll mafia because I think it's so much pressure, regardless if I thought the two of us would make a good team.
On September 29 2020 04:28 Dadred wrote: Like the more I think about it the more I like Shockeyy and GB reaction to me. They paid attention and saw what was wrong.
What did GB see as "what was wrong" as his initial reaction to your claim?
I take it he knew the setup instantly
What do you mean?
My question is, at least at this point you didn't believe GB knew the correct setup and thought doc could act N0.
Why is questioning the correct play for a cop (which is also in line with your last game claim) reasonable?
At the time GB initial attack under my assumption (same setup) is scummy. It's the right play to claim when I did early no fanfare and look for a 1 v 1.
With the knowledge that GB knew the setup and that's why he went for me, it's a bit towny that he would attack me for trying to bait the cop out if inwas scum in his perspective. However gb does hinder his cause by instantly not cop, if he truly believed I was scum he wouldn't say that as it would shrink the pool to shoot into for scum.
On September 29 2020 04:28 Dadred wrote: Like the more I think about it the more I like Shockeyy and GB reaction to me. They paid attention and saw what was wrong.
What did GB see as "what was wrong" as his initial reaction to your claim?
I take it he knew the setup instantly
What do you mean?
My question is, at least at this point you didn't believe GB knew the correct setup and thought doc could act N0.
Why is questioning the correct play for a cop (which is also in line with your last game claim) reasonable?
At the time GB initial attack under my assumption (same setup) is scummy. It's the right play to claim when I did early no fanfare and look for a 1 v 1.
With the knowledge that GB knew the setup and that's why he went for me, it's a bit towny that he would attack me for trying to bait the cop out if inwas scum in his perspective. However gb does hinder his cause by instantly not cop, if he truly believed I was scum he wouldn't say that as it would shrink the pool to shoot into for scum.
On September 29 2020 05:35 Dadred wrote: That last thought just came to me and I think it's great.
GB why did you say not cop when you didn't believe me
Sorry, I didn't understand your question. Did you ask why didn't I believe in your claim? If that's your question, it was basically gut feeling. Like "this post doesn't sound genuine". I basically do that every game to generate discussion while still being true to my intuition. I have no other reason to doubt your claim.
On September 29 2020 05:35 Dadred wrote: That last thought just came to me and I think it's great.
GB why did you say not cop when you didn't believe me
Sorry, I didn't understand your question. Did you ask why didn't I believe in your claim? If that's your question, it was basically gut feeling. Like "this post doesn't sound genuine". I basically do that every game to generate discussion while still being true to my intuition. I have no other reason to doubt your claim.
No you said that you were not the cop. Why would you do that and shrink the pool to shoot into if you think I am scum.
Hey! Glad to be back again. Damdred what happened to your account? :<
Either way, my head already hurts from trying to understand the claim or no claim stuff.
Rayn is trying overly hard at being mr good guy leading town. Leaning scum.
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
On September 29 2020 05:35 Dadred wrote: That last thought just came to me and I think it's great.
GB why did you say not cop when you didn't believe me
Sorry, I didn't understand your question. Did you ask why didn't I believe in your claim? If that's your question, it was basically gut feeling. Like "this post doesn't sound genuine". I basically do that every game to generate discussion while still being true to my intuition. I have no other reason to doubt your claim.
Okay why didn't it sound genuine in a game where cop is supposed to claim N0 if the setup is what you said you believed it is?
On September 29 2020 05:39 Dadred wrote: Not sure what you are confused about rayn
this:
With the knowledge that GB knew the setup and that's why he went for me, it's a bit towny that he would attack me for trying to bait the cop out if inwas scum in his perspective. However gb does hinder his cause by instantly not cop, if he truly believed I was scum he wouldn't say that as it would shrink the pool to shoot into for scum.
are you saying you believe GB lied and how he is lying about he lied earlier and you stil lthink he is town????
With the knowledge that GB knew the setup and that's why he went for me, it's a bit towny that he would attack me for trying to bait the cop out if inwas scum in his perspective. However gb does hinder his cause by instantly not cop, if he truly believed I was scum he wouldn't say that as it would shrink the pool to shoot into for scum.
are you saying you believe GB lied and how he is lying about he lied earlier and you stil lthink he is town????
No if I think he lied then I think he's leaning scum.
I also think the way he handled the claim and saying he was not cop would not happen if he is town. It hurts town if he thinks I'm scum to make that statement
On September 29 2020 05:35 Dadred wrote: That last thought just came to me and I think it's great.
GB why did you say not cop when you didn't believe me
Sorry, I didn't understand your question. Did you ask why didn't I believe in your claim? If that's your question, it was basically gut feeling. Like "this post doesn't sound genuine". I basically do that every game to generate discussion while still being true to my intuition. I have no other reason to doubt your claim.
No you said that you were not the cop. Why would you do that and shrink the pool to shoot into if you think I am scum.
Because it would be common sense to believe that the only person who would doubt a cop claim at that moment would be the real cop. And I'm not.
On September 29 2020 05:35 Dadred wrote: That last thought just came to me and I think it's great.
GB why did you say not cop when you didn't believe me
Sorry, I didn't understand your question. Did you ask why didn't I believe in your claim? If that's your question, it was basically gut feeling. Like "this post doesn't sound genuine". I basically do that every game to generate discussion while still being true to my intuition. I have no other reason to doubt your claim.
Okay why didn't it sound genuine in a game where cop is supposed to claim N0 if the setup is what you said you believed it is?
Because under that setup the correct play as mafia is to fake claim cop, thus weakening the trustfulness of a cop claim.
On September 29 2020 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw i don't think Damdred is confirmed town at all for his claim. He either is not lying about not knowing the setup in which case he could claim as either alignment. Or he is lying which could also make him do what he did as either alignment.
if "With the knowledge that GB knew the setup and that's why he went for me" is true then GB lied about not knowing the setup and you think he is town for that?????? shockeyy came out with the "real setup", then GB lied about not knowing it (why, if he is town? -- he can just say "yeah fuck you shockeyy i was trying to bait or whatever")
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
On September 29 2020 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: to clarify:
if "With the knowledge that GB knew the setup and that's why he went for me" is true then GB lied about not knowing the setup and you think he is town for that?????? shockeyy came out with the "real setup", then GB lied about not knowing it (why, if he is town? -- he can just say "yeah fuck you shockeyy i was trying to bait or whatever")
if not that then what????
I feel like I just answered this.
I think that if GB is lying about not knowing the setup he is probably mafia for his reaction to the claim.
But that's all dependent on if I think GB forgot the setup or lied
On September 29 2020 05:39 ruXxar wrote: Hey! Glad to be back again. Damdred what happened to your account? :<
Either way, my head already hurts from trying to understand the claim or no claim stuff.
Rayn is trying overly hard at being mr good guy leading town. Leaning scum.
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
On September 29 2020 05:39 ruXxar wrote: Hey! Glad to be back again. Damdred what happened to your account? :<
Either way, my head already hurts from trying to understand the claim or no claim stuff.
Rayn is trying overly hard at being mr good guy leading town. Leaning scum.
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
100% forced, mafia.
Yes my first post is forced, so what?
It makes me believe you're probably mafia instead of townie.
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
I think this is a bit opportunistic, Rayn is playing with the idea of "if Dadred is mafia" so the real cop won't show up. I understand where he is coming from with this.
On September 29 2020 05:39 ruXxar wrote: Hey! Glad to be back again. Damdred what happened to your account? :<
Either way, my head already hurts from trying to understand the claim or no claim stuff.
Rayn is trying overly hard at being mr good guy leading town. Leaning scum.
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
100% forced, mafia.
Yes my first post is forced, so what?
It makes me believe you're probably mafia instead of townie.
Right, as opposed to writing essays of arguments when we're just a few hours into this game. You make it sound like we have a multitude of data points, when in fact its all just hot air. Keep dancing though.
On September 29 2020 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
On September 29 2020 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: to clarify:
if "With the knowledge that GB knew the setup and that's why he went for me" is true then GB lied about not knowing the setup and you think he is town for that?????? shockeyy came out with the "real setup", then GB lied about not knowing it (why, if he is town? -- he can just say "yeah fuck you shockeyy i was trying to bait or whatever")
if not that then what????
I feel like I just answered this.
I think that if GB is lying about not knowing the setup he is probably mafia for his reaction to the claim.
But that's all dependent on if I think GB forgot the setup or lied
And i was asking you, if GB believes the setup to be that doctor can act, then how does his actions make him town? Like you said:
At the time GB initial attack under my assumption (same setup) is scummy.
I also think the way he handled the claim and saying he was not cop would not happen if he is town.
and
How is him handling your claim like he did towny? You mean like he is baiting out a cc from mafia?
On September 29 2020 05:39 ruXxar wrote: Hey! Glad to be back again. Damdred what happened to your account? :<
Either way, my head already hurts from trying to understand the claim or no claim stuff.
Rayn is trying overly hard at being mr good guy leading town. Leaning scum.
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
100% forced, mafia.
Yes my first post is forced, so what?
It makes me believe you're probably mafia instead of townie.
Right, as opposed to writing essays of arguments when we're just a few hours into this game. You make it sound like we have a multitude of data points, when in fact its all just hot air. Keep dancing though.
I'm working with what we have for now. I act like I saw your post and felt it was forced and that's the best argument I can bring against anyone right now because we don't have "a multitude of data points". It's simple: mafia has to lie and it is hard to write genuine posts, therefore some mafia posts may sound forced. Your post sound forced, therefore, you're probably mafia if I compare to the other in thread right now.
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
did you even read what i wrote?
No I just glossed over it because I cba.
Why do you call me mafia over something you didn't even read? Why do you call me mafia over something i said about a cop when you're dont even know how this specific game works at all (apparently)?
On September 29 2020 05:39 ruXxar wrote: Hey! Glad to be back again. Damdred what happened to your account? :<
Either way, my head already hurts from trying to understand the claim or no claim stuff.
Rayn is trying overly hard at being mr good guy leading town. Leaning scum.
On September 29 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!! If you are a real cop you should not claim until last second of N0!!!!!!!
I think this is a bit opportunistic, Rayn is playing with the idea of "if Dadred is mafia" so the real cop won't show up. I understand where he is coming from with this.
I'm thinking that mafia are trying to become town leaders early. It's what I would do. If rayn is mafia and he takes control of this game its gg.
On September 29 2020 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
because i said you would and then you said "why would i"
I am literally saying GB saying, I am not cop is the worst play to do if he is town. It does not make sense to do coming from a town perspective if he knows the setup.
On September 29 2020 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
because i said you would and then you said "why would i"
seriously i can quote probably every fucking game we have been together in where you have been mafia nad me town and this happened always-
On September 29 2020 06:00 Dadred wrote: I feel like you are being obtuse Rayn.
I am literally saying GB saying, I am not cop is the worst play to do if he is town. It does not make sense to do coming from a town perspective if he knows the setup.
Like he didn't believe Dadred initial claim, yet when Shockey came with the real set up he believed that Dadred messed up instantly, unlike Shockey who called Dadred mafia trying to fish town, GB went directly and said "No this guy is town because the set up lol lol lol"
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
Or
OR
My mafia skills are so much honed that I can detect a fake claim without a CC!
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
did you even read what i wrote?
No I just glossed over it because I cba.
Why do you call me mafia over something you didn't even read? Why do you call me mafia over something i said about a cop when you're dont even know how this specific game works at all (apparently)?
Because I dont care about the irrelevant minute details of the post. Thats all just filler content. It's the fact that youre trying to play big brother and pin someone on lying about the setup. Thats a ridiculous claim.
On September 29 2020 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
because i said you would and then you said "why would i"
?
It makes no sense.
If I was mafia I wouldn't lie about that and I wouldn't keep saying "oh no, I actually thought the setup was the old one". What is mafia motivation behind that? If I was mafia I would just assume Damdred is the cop and say: "okay, moving forward"
Okay Damdred, let's get this thing settled. Let's assume GB is telling the truth at all times he has been posting. Why is he town in your opinion (you said he could be -- let's not get into semantics), what are the things that make him town?
On September 29 2020 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
because i said you would and then you said "why would i"
seriously i can quote probably every fucking game we have been together in where you have been mafia nad me town and this happened always-
On September 29 2020 06:00 Dadred wrote: I feel like you are being obtuse Rayn.
I am literally saying GB saying, I am not cop is the worst play to do if he is town. It does not make sense to do coming from a town perspective if he knows the setup.
I have been very clear I feel in my posts.
But you can say I am not cop if you are mafia also, no?
On September 29 2020 06:02 CopCake wrote: I have this problem with GB
Like he didn't believe Dadred initial claim, yet when Shockey came with the real set up he believed that Dadred messed up instantly, unlike Shockey who called Dadred mafia trying to fish town, GB went directly and said "No this guy is town because the set up lol lol lol"
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
Or
OR
My mafia skills are so much honed that I can detect a fake claim without a CC!
?
I don't understand where you're coming from here.
I meant my skills are so honed that I can detect a fake claim easily. Of course I'm exaggerating here, but why is it a problem to play with intuition in the beginning of the game?
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
did you even read what i wrote?
No I just glossed over it because I cba.
Why do you call me mafia over something you didn't even read? Why do you call me mafia over something i said about a cop when you're dont even know how this specific game works at all (apparently)?
Because I dont care about the irrelevant minute details of the post. Thats all just filler content. It's the fact that youre trying to play big brother and pin someone on lying about the setup. Thats a ridiculous claim.
There are no minute details in any of the posts in this game??? I always play big brother if that's what you want to call it. What's new in it as me in any alignment?
I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
On September 29 2020 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Damdred, let's get this thing settled. Let's assume GB is telling the truth at all times he has been posting. Why is he town in your opinion (you said he could be -- let's not get into semantics), what are the things that make him town?
I am going to say this plainly, my initial thought process on GB went like this.
GB suspects me being scum for being cop->I think this is mafia indicative behavior trying to downplay me for partner to claim-> Oh wait, GB knew the setup and there are two possibilities GB either thinks I am mafia trying to get a cop outed, or thinks i'm an idiot. Seemed it was option one-> This line of thought is town indicative at least on surface level.
What actually happened
GB suspects me for just claiming cop and does not know the settup and instantly says that GB is not the cop (this might be where the disconnect comes from). This is not a towny play, if he is town he should never identify himself as not a role in this scenario if he does not believe the initial claim as that condenses the pool to shoot into.
Just laying cards on the table, I am more neutral on GB. I don't think GB has any reason to lie about not knowing the setup, but I think there are some things I don't like about the actual scenario that played out. But I also don't like how you keep saying i'm townreading GB when i've been saying for the past 5 posts that his play doesn't make sense from town with the new information.
On September 29 2020 06:02 CopCake wrote: I have this problem with GB
Like he didn't believe Dadred initial claim, yet when Shockey came with the real set up he believed that Dadred messed up instantly, unlike Shockey who called Dadred mafia trying to fish town, GB went directly and said "No this guy is town because the set up lol lol lol"
On September 29 2020 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
Or
OR
My mafia skills are so much honed that I can detect a fake claim without a CC!
?
I don't understand where you're coming from here.
I meant my skills are so honed that I can detect a fake claim easily. Of course I'm exaggerating here, but why is it a problem to play with intuition in the beginning of the game?
No, the problem is that you didn't believe the "cop claim" but you did believe the "ooppss I messed up" really fast without questioning.
On September 29 2020 06:10 CopCake wrote: I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
Dear I can post, as mafia, as easily as I can breath lol
Now, why one out of me and rayn MUST be mafia? And what's my motivation as mafia to lie?
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
did you even read what i wrote?
No I just glossed over it because I cba.
Why do you call me mafia over something you didn't even read? Why do you call me mafia over something i said about a cop when you're dont even know how this specific game works at all (apparently)?
Because I dont care about the irrelevant minute details of the post. Thats all just filler content. It's the fact that youre trying to play big brother and pin someone on lying about the setup. Thats a ridiculous claim.
There are no minute details in any of the posts in this game??? I always play big brother if that's what you want to call it. What's new in it as me in any alignment?
It's a cheap attempt at trying to create a target when the premise is NAI. town!rayn would agree with me.
On September 29 2020 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Damdred, let's get this thing settled. Let's assume GB is telling the truth at all times he has been posting. Why is he town in your opinion (you said he could be -- let's not get into semantics), what are the things that make him town?
I am going to say this plainly, my initial thought process on GB went like this.
GB suspects me being scum for being cop->I think this is mafia indicative behavior trying to downplay me for partner to claim-> Oh wait, GB knew the setup and there are two possibilities GB either thinks I am mafia trying to get a cop outed, or thinks i'm an idiot. Seemed it was option one-> This line of thought is town indicative at least on surface level.
What actually happened
GB suspects me for just claiming cop and does not know the settup and instantly says that GB is not the cop (this might be where the disconnect comes from). This is not a towny play, if he is town he should never identify himself as not a role in this scenario if he does not believe the initial claim as that condenses the pool to shoot into.
Just laying cards on the table, I am more neutral on GB. I don't think GB has any reason to lie about not knowing the setup, but I think there are some things I don't like about the actual scenario that played out. But I also don't like how you keep saying i'm townreading GB when i've been saying for the past 5 posts that his play doesn't make sense from town with the new information.
On September 29 2020 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Damdred, let's get this thing settled. Let's assume GB is telling the truth at all times he has been posting. Why is he town in your opinion (you said he could be -- let's not get into semantics), what are the things that make him town?
I am going to say this plainly, my initial thought process on GB went like this.
GB suspects me being scum for being cop->I think this is mafia indicative behavior trying to downplay me for partner to claim-> Oh wait, GB knew the setup and there are two possibilities GB either thinks I am mafia trying to get a cop outed, or thinks i'm an idiot. Seemed it was option one-> This line of thought is town indicative at least on surface level.
What actually happened
GB suspects me for just claiming cop and does not know the settup and instantly says that GB is not the cop (this might be where the disconnect comes from). This is not a towny play, if he is town he should never identify himself as not a role in this scenario if he does not believe the initial claim as that condenses the pool to shoot into.
Just laying cards on the table, I am more neutral on GB. I don't think GB has any reason to lie about not knowing the setup, but I think there are some things I don't like about the actual scenario that played out. But I also don't like how you keep saying i'm townreading GB when i've been saying for the past 5 posts that his play doesn't make sense from town with the new information.
You both are overthinking my posts and it is boring the hell out of me
Anyway, I think I've explained enough so I won't interfere in this discussion anymore. Feel free to ask for any clarification, though.
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
did you even read what i wrote?
No I just glossed over it because I cba.
Why do you call me mafia over something you didn't even read? Why do you call me mafia over something i said about a cop when you're dont even know how this specific game works at all (apparently)?
Because I dont care about the irrelevant minute details of the post. Thats all just filler content. It's the fact that youre trying to play big brother and pin someone on lying about the setup. Thats a ridiculous claim.
There are no minute details in any of the posts in this game??? I always play big brother if that's what you want to call it. What's new in it as me in any alignment?
It's a cheap attempt at trying to create a target when the premise is NAI. town!rayn would agree with me.
okay noone is mafia how long are we gonna sit on that? D2?
On September 29 2020 06:02 CopCake wrote: I have this problem with GB
Like he didn't believe Dadred initial claim, yet when Shockey came with the real set up he believed that Dadred messed up instantly, unlike Shockey who called Dadred mafia trying to fish town, GB went directly and said "No this guy is town because the set up lol lol lol"
On September 29 2020 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
Or
OR
My mafia skills are so much honed that I can detect a fake claim without a CC!
?
I don't understand where you're coming from here.
I meant my skills are so honed that I can detect a fake claim easily. Of course I'm exaggerating here, but why is it a problem to play with intuition in the beginning of the game?
No, the problem is that you didn't believe the "cop claim" but you did believe the "ooppss I messed up" really fast without questioning.
How are these correlated? I didn't 100% believe Damdy's claim based on intuition and with the intention of generating discussion. I didn't mess up, I just forgot the setup and that makes no difference to the game.
On September 29 2020 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Damdred, let's get this thing settled. Let's assume GB is telling the truth at all times he has been posting. Why is he town in your opinion (you said he could be -- let's not get into semantics), what are the things that make him town?
I am going to say this plainly, my initial thought process on GB went like this.
GB suspects me being scum for being cop->I think this is mafia indicative behavior trying to downplay me for partner to claim-> Oh wait, GB knew the setup and there are two possibilities GB either thinks I am mafia trying to get a cop outed, or thinks i'm an idiot. Seemed it was option one-> This line of thought is town indicative at least on surface level.
What actually happened
GB suspects me for just claiming cop and does not know the settup and instantly says that GB is not the cop (this might be where the disconnect comes from). This is not a towny play, if he is town he should never identify himself as not a role in this scenario if he does not believe the initial claim as that condenses the pool to shoot into.
Just laying cards on the table, I am more neutral on GB. I don't think GB has any reason to lie about not knowing the setup, but I think there are some things I don't like about the actual scenario that played out. But I also don't like how you keep saying i'm townreading GB when i've been saying for the past 5 posts that his play doesn't make sense from town with the new information.
On September 29 2020 06:10 CopCake wrote: I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
Dear I can post, as mafia, as easily as I can breath lol
Now, why one out of me and rayn MUST be mafia? And what's my motivation as mafia to lie?
Then why are you so happy to be town? :p
I think in this scenario:
Mafia GB is trying to check if Dadred is the real cop, fishing, then when shockey came in and dadred was all like "ooppss" you decided to be on his good side and reacted like "oh he is town".
And for the way you are going at each other throats and how rayn talked about "you were supposed to be my scum buddy", that kind of information. I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
On September 29 2020 06:02 CopCake wrote: I have this problem with GB
Like he didn't believe Dadred initial claim, yet when Shockey came with the real set up he believed that Dadred messed up instantly, unlike Shockey who called Dadred mafia trying to fish town, GB went directly and said "No this guy is town because the set up lol lol lol"
On September 29 2020 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
Or
OR
My mafia skills are so much honed that I can detect a fake claim without a CC!
?
I don't understand where you're coming from here.
I meant my skills are so honed that I can detect a fake claim easily. Of course I'm exaggerating here, but why is it a problem to play with intuition in the beginning of the game?
No, the problem is that you didn't believe the "cop claim" but you did believe the "ooppss I messed up" really fast without questioning.
How are these correlated? I didn't 100% believe Damdy's claim based on intuition and with the intention of generating discussion. I didn't mess up, I just forgot the setup and that makes no difference to the game.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
did you even read what i wrote?
No I just glossed over it because I cba.
Why do you call me mafia over something you didn't even read? Why do you call me mafia over something i said about a cop when you're dont even know how this specific game works at all (apparently)?
Because I dont care about the irrelevant minute details of the post. Thats all just filler content. It's the fact that youre trying to play big brother and pin someone on lying about the setup. Thats a ridiculous claim.
There are no minute details in any of the posts in this game??? I always play big brother if that's what you want to call it. What's new in it as me in any alignment?
It's a cheap attempt at trying to create a target when the premise is NAI. town!rayn would agree with me.
okay noone is mafia how long are we gonna sit on that? D2?
Please. We're barely into the night phase. There's plenty of time to find mafia.
On September 29 2020 05:46 ruXxar wrote: This discussion about lying and not lying is fruitless. Scum slips are a hoax, and whatever GB is doing is not alignment indicative, it could happen as either side.
did you even read what i wrote?
No I just glossed over it because I cba.
Why do you call me mafia over something you didn't even read? Why do you call me mafia over something i said about a cop when you're dont even know how this specific game works at all (apparently)?
Because I dont care about the irrelevant minute details of the post. Thats all just filler content. It's the fact that youre trying to play big brother and pin someone on lying about the setup. Thats a ridiculous claim.
There are no minute details in any of the posts in this game??? I always play big brother if that's what you want to call it. What's new in it as me in any alignment?
It's a cheap attempt at trying to create a target when the premise is NAI. town!rayn would agree with me.
okay noone is mafia how long are we gonna sit on that? D2?
Please. We're barely into the night phase. There's plenty of time to find mafia.
On September 29 2020 06:10 CopCake wrote: I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
Dear I can post, as mafia, as easily as I can breath lol
Now, why one out of me and rayn MUST be mafia? And what's my motivation as mafia to lie?
Then why are you so happy to be town? :p
I think in this scenario:
Mafia GB is trying to check if Dadred is the real cop, fishing, then when shockey came in and dadred was all like "ooppss" you decided to be on his good side and reacted like "oh he is town".
And for the way you are going at each other throats and how rayn talked about "you were supposed to be my scum buddy", that kind of information. I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
Dear, if I am mafia and I see a townie claiming I'd just assume he was the cop and would try to figure out who is the doctor based on behavior. I wouldn't need to doubt the claim to gather more information about him.
I'm not going at anyone's throat and I didn't change my mind on anything so I'm still not sure where you're coming from
On September 29 2020 06:02 CopCake wrote: I have this problem with GB
Like he didn't believe Dadred initial claim, yet when Shockey came with the real set up he believed that Dadred messed up instantly, unlike Shockey who called Dadred mafia trying to fish town, GB went directly and said "No this guy is town because the set up lol lol lol"
On September 29 2020 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2020 03:25 Dadred wrote: You are advocating for lynching the claimed cop with no CC. It's either really idiotic (not that I think you are personally), or mafia.
Or
OR
My mafia skills are so much honed that I can detect a fake claim without a CC!
?
I don't understand where you're coming from here.
I meant my skills are so honed that I can detect a fake claim easily. Of course I'm exaggerating here, but why is it a problem to play with intuition in the beginning of the game?
No, the problem is that you didn't believe the "cop claim" but you did believe the "ooppss I messed up" really fast without questioning.
How are these correlated? I didn't 100% believe Damdy's claim based on intuition and with the intention of generating discussion. I didn't mess up, I just forgot the setup and that makes no difference to the game.
So it was just all to get reactions?
Not reactions. It was to have exactly what we are having now. People talking about stuff.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
so please dont go calling me mafia for setup shit when this game is about setup shit and i am doing my best to NOT let mafia to get the best of it, which they most likely already have..........
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
I STILL don't understand why both me and rayn can't be town together.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
I STILL don't understand why both me and rayn can't be town together.
why dont you +1 my post 25 mins ago and make this one instead?
On September 29 2020 06:10 CopCake wrote: I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
On September 29 2020 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: MYLO D1. With most likely the cop dead N0.
What makes you say that?
The setup makes it D1 mylo basically
But we lynch during the day right?
Yes.
On September 29 2020 06:35 CopCake wrote:
On September 29 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
I STILL don't understand why both me and rayn can't be town together.
why dont you +1 my post 25 mins ago and make this one instead?
On September 29 2020 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: MYLO D1. With most likely the cop dead N0.
What makes you say that?
The setup makes it D1 mylo basically
But we lynch during the day right?
Yes.
On September 29 2020 06:35 CopCake wrote:
On September 29 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
I STILL don't understand why both me and rayn can't be town together.
why dont you +1 my post 25 mins ago and make this one instead?
Does he need to answer you something where?
he asked why me and him cannot be town both, when i said that almost half an hour ago.
On September 29 2020 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: MYLO D1. With most likely the cop dead N0.
What makes you say that?
The setup makes it D1 mylo basically
But we lynch during the day right?
Yes.
On September 29 2020 06:35 CopCake wrote:
On September 29 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
I STILL don't understand why both me and rayn can't be town together.
why dont you +1 my post 25 mins ago and make this one instead?
Because I understood you were asking how it is different, and it's a matter of identifying behaviors of each parties, and I was asking why it's impossible for us to be town+town, which is a matter of logic.
On September 29 2020 06:10 CopCake wrote: I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
Am I getting it right?: GB and Rayn both discussed setups, so their reaction to a claim should be similar Their reaction are different Therefore, they must have different alignments.
On September 29 2020 07:30 Dadred wrote: Who's scum gb
More likely Ruxxar and Rayn, we have to hear from Monadel. I think Shockey is town. I think Copcake could be town I think you're town regardless of the claim.
On September 29 2020 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever is town here can you please START by reading the thread ok?
I did, now either damdred dies tonight or he's possibly mafia.
yes, then you no-lynch. GB is mafia. other one is Monadel or Damdred. you figure it out.
or Damdred dies, and then easy game.
I'm not mafia and all you have to call me mafia is "I think GB is mafia"
I worded this very poory. I meant to say: "I'm not mafia. Your reasons to believe I am mafia are just the feelings that I may be lying, which doesn't make me mafia".
On September 29 2020 07:35 Dadred wrote: Donruxx and rayn make sense with their interactions though? Idk ruxx isnt acting like mafia
I find it opportunistic that rayn started scumreading me when we were organizing ourselves in a very sensible PoE. ruXXar had a forced opening, kinda white knighted me while not really reading the game, it's just him not bringing information to the table IMO.
On September 29 2020 06:10 CopCake wrote: I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
Am I getting it right?: GB and Rayn both discussed setups, so their reaction to a claim should be similar Their reaction are different Therefore, they must have different alignments.
No, the emoji is an answer to Rayn when he asked me something so I needed to quote that.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
On September 29 2020 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you find somethibng that actually makes me mafia instead of saying it's weird that i started scumreading you at THAT time?
Rayn, I find very hard to believe you would scumread me so hard based on the feeling that I maybe lying. Now you add the fact that myself and Damdred probably were going on the right direction and you've now misguided the thread to throw suspicions on a townie based on the belief I'm lying without considering I could be telling the truth. And regardless if I am telling the truth or not, this is not so alignment indicative that you wouldn't be trying to see me coming from another POV. This feels like inquisition and not a debate.
For example: what do you think of ruXXar's alignment?
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
On September 29 2020 06:10 CopCake wrote: I don't understand the whole "I knew or not knew the set up" clears me deal with GB.
He can easily be lying and knew Dadred was the cop, knowing the set up, etc and yet still post he is surprised about it when Shockey posted the real set up, at least last game I remember Dadred said he likes to fish for reactions so GB probably felt the need to post that he is surprised specially because sooner or later we would realize that Rayn and Him were the ones discussing the changes of the game.
So pretty much one of GB and Rayn is mafia more likely and I am more inclined to think it is GB.
Am I getting it right?: GB and Rayn both discussed setups, so their reaction to a claim should be similar Their reaction are different Therefore, they must have different alignments.
No, the emoji is an answer to Rayn when he asked me something so I needed to quote that.
Ok but about myself and rayn being from different alignments, is that the reason?
On September 29 2020 07:35 Dadred wrote: Donruxx and rayn make sense with their interactions though? Idk ruxx isnt acting like mafia
I find it opportunistic that rayn started scumreading me when we were organizing ourselves in a very sensible PoE. ruXXar had a forced opening, kinda white knighted me while not really reading the game, it's just him not bringing information to the table IMO.
So you were trying to organize town when rayn wasn't around?
I agree that Ruxxar is odd but I don't understand the "organizing" part because I don't see you organizing anything.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
On September 29 2020 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you find somethibng that actually makes me mafia instead of saying it's weird that i started scumreading you at THAT time?
Rayn, I find very hard to believe you would scumread me so hard based on the feeling that I maybe lying. Now you add the fact that myself and Damdred probably were going on the right direction and you've now misguided the thread to throw suspicions on a townie based on the belief I'm lying without considering I could be telling the truth. And regardless if I am telling the truth or not, this is not so alignment indicative that you wouldn't be trying to see me coming from another POV. This feels like inquisition and not a debate.
For example: what do you think of ruXXar's alignment?
I have a question. If you believed i was lying about something, let's say about the QT post, would you believe it "hard" or "soft"? Other things are you just saying i am mafia without saying i am mafia... you are blaming me for you and damdred going to a right direction, for me being wrong, but that would make me mafia right? Instead you ask if i think youre mafia or not. mhm...
Nice politician, you would make a good one i agree.
I think ruxxar is town as i have clearly said already if you read my posts.
On September 29 2020 07:35 Dadred wrote: Donruxx and rayn make sense with their interactions though? Idk ruxx isnt acting like mafia
I find it opportunistic that rayn started scumreading me when we were organizing ourselves in a very sensible PoE. ruXXar had a forced opening, kinda white knighted me while not really reading the game, it's just him not bringing information to the table IMO.
So you were trying to organize town when rayn wasn't around?
I agree that Ruxxar is odd but I don't understand the "organizing" part because I don't see you organizing anything.
Damdred made a PoE list, I've agreed, we were going in that direction. Rayn came and said I'm mafia because I'm lying, now thread is going to that direction.
I believe that when you debate with who you think is townie and start creating a PoE list, we are organizing ourselves. Bouncing reads etc. Now the thread is just "WHY DID YOU POST THIS GB" or things that doesn't make me mafia.
On September 29 2020 07:35 Dadred wrote: Donruxx and rayn make sense with their interactions though? Idk ruxx isnt acting like mafia
I find it opportunistic that rayn started scumreading me when we were organizing ourselves in a very sensible PoE. ruXXar had a forced opening, kinda white knighted me while not really reading the game, it's just him not bringing information to the table IMO.
So you were trying to organize town when rayn wasn't around?
I agree that Ruxxar is odd but I don't understand the "organizing" part because I don't see you organizing anything.
Damdred made a PoE list, I've agreed, we were going in that direction. Rayn came and said I'm mafia because I'm lying, now thread is going to that direction.
I believe that when you debate with who you think is townie and start creating a PoE list, we are organizing ourselves. Bouncing reads etc. Now the thread is just "WHY DID YOU POST THIS GB" or things that doesn't make me mafia.
how about you explain why did you post those thing then? from town perspective?
On September 29 2020 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you find somethibng that actually makes me mafia instead of saying it's weird that i started scumreading you at THAT time?
Rayn, I find very hard to believe you would scumread me so hard based on the feeling that I maybe lying. Now you add the fact that myself and Damdred probably were going on the right direction and you've now misguided the thread to throw suspicions on a townie based on the belief I'm lying without considering I could be telling the truth. And regardless if I am telling the truth or not, this is not so alignment indicative that you wouldn't be trying to see me coming from another POV. This feels like inquisition and not a debate.
For example: what do you think of ruXXar's alignment?
I have a question. If you believed i was lying about something, let's say about the QT post, would you believe it "hard" or "soft"? Other things are you just saying i am mafia without saying i am mafia... you are blaming me for you and damdred going to a right direction, for me being wrong, but that would make me mafia right? Instead you ask if i think youre mafia or not. mhm...
Nice politician, you would make a good one i agree.
I think ruxxar is town as i have clearly said already if you read my posts.
I would state it as an intuition, as I've stated my suspicions on Damdred was, and I would keep trying to uncover more information while still debating. I don't feel you're open to the possibility I am town here, and that's why I believe you're most likely mafia.
I've read your posts, every single one of them, but I don't remember you're saying you think ruxxar is town. It's not that I will rememebr everything that everyone has posts lol. But now that you said he is town, why is he town?
On September 29 2020 07:35 Dadred wrote: Donruxx and rayn make sense with their interactions though? Idk ruxx isnt acting like mafia
I find it opportunistic that rayn started scumreading me when we were organizing ourselves in a very sensible PoE. ruXXar had a forced opening, kinda white knighted me while not really reading the game, it's just him not bringing information to the table IMO.
So you were trying to organize town when rayn wasn't around?
I agree that Ruxxar is odd but I don't understand the "organizing" part because I don't see you organizing anything.
Damdred made a PoE list, I've agreed, we were going in that direction. Rayn came and said I'm mafia because I'm lying, now thread is going to that direction.
I believe that when you debate with who you think is townie and start creating a PoE list, we are organizing ourselves. Bouncing reads etc. Now the thread is just "WHY DID YOU POST THIS GB" or things that doesn't make me mafia.
how about you explain why did you post those thing then? from town perspective?
Because those were things that came to my mind and I just wrote in the thread so I could debate with people lol
people should believe gb? you know this is not how mafia works. even i fucking believe you if you make a fucking decent case for yourself but all you have had to say is "booohooo rayn is accusing me"
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
This was the whole process GB, the thing you quoted was before, not the emoji but the post inside there.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that your change of attitude with Damred looks sketchy and I wrote scenarios of mafia "knowing and not knowing the set up"
You are here saying that rayn is being "opportunistic", where has he been opportunistic?
On September 29 2020 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: MYLO D1. With most likely the cop dead N0.
What makes you say that?
The setup makes it D1 mylo basically
But we lynch during the day right?
Yes.
On September 29 2020 06:35 CopCake wrote:
On September 29 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
I STILL don't understand why both me and rayn can't be town together.
why dont you +1 my post 25 mins ago and make this one instead?
Why is this relevant? What if I just glossed over what you've said, what if I was just immediately reacting to what she said while keeping up with the thread? It's irrelevant.
On September 29 2020 07:59 GlowingBear wrote: I've read your posts, every single one of them, but I don't remember you're saying you think ruxxar is town. It's not that I will rememebr everything that everyone has posts lol. But now that you said he is town, why is he town?
On September 29 2020 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well okay ruxxar goes to town pile with 90% of losing the game for town if he doesnt get his shit together.
i dont "now" say he is town, i have said it before. And because he is stupid, and doesnt know what's going on, and he is fucking doing everything town should not do ever as he always does when he is town. because he is bad as fuck..
On September 29 2020 07:35 Dadred wrote: Donruxx and rayn make sense with their interactions though? Idk ruxx isnt acting like mafia
I find it opportunistic that rayn started scumreading me when we were organizing ourselves in a very sensible PoE. ruXXar had a forced opening, kinda white knighted me while not really reading the game, it's just him not bringing information to the table IMO.
So you were trying to organize town when rayn wasn't around?
I agree that Ruxxar is odd but I don't understand the "organizing" part because I don't see you organizing anything.
Damdred made a PoE list, I've agreed, we were going in that direction. Rayn came and said I'm mafia because I'm lying, now thread is going to that direction.
I believe that when you debate with who you think is townie and start creating a PoE list, we are organizing ourselves. Bouncing reads etc. Now the thread is just "WHY DID YOU POST THIS GB" or things that doesn't make me mafia.
But isn't questioning things a town trait? Why does that make Rayn mafia?
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
This was the whole process GB, the thing you quoted was before, not the emoji but the post inside there.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that your change of attitude with Damred looks sketchy and I wrote scenarios of mafia "knowing and not knowing the set up"
You are here saying that rayn is being "opportunistic", where has he been opportunistic?
I don't know if I'm missing something, I'm sorry, but I still don't understand why can't myself and rayn be town together. I understand why I can be mafia under your perspective, but I can't understand how that implicates rayn.
The timing of his accusations led me believe that he was trying to divert town to the wrong direction calling me mafia.
On September 29 2020 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: MYLO D1. With most likely the cop dead N0.
What makes you say that?
The setup makes it D1 mylo basically
But we lynch during the day right?
Yes.
On September 29 2020 06:35 CopCake wrote:
On September 29 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
I STILL don't understand why both me and rayn can't be town together.
why dont you +1 my post 25 mins ago and make this one instead?
Why is this relevant? What if I just glossed over what you've said, what if I was just immediately reacting to what she said while keeping up with the thread? It's irrelevant.
you immediately reacted to what she said when my post is almost next to it, that one you glossed over? okay.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
This was the whole process GB, the thing you quoted was before, not the emoji but the post inside there.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that your change of attitude with Damred looks sketchy and I wrote scenarios of mafia "knowing and not knowing the set up"
You are here saying that rayn is being "opportunistic", where has he been opportunistic?
I don't know if I'm missing something, I'm sorry, but I still don't understand why can't myself and rayn be town together. I understand why I can be mafia under your perspective, but I can't understand how that implicates rayn.
The timing of his accusations led me believe that he was trying to divert town to the wrong direction calling me mafia.
On September 29 2020 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: rayn makes a better case gb says "no" (no case)
people should believe gb? you know this is not how mafia works. even i fucking believe you if you make a fucking decent case for yourself but all you have had to say is "booohooo rayn is accusing me"
That's not what I'm saying?
I'm saying your approach is inquisitive instead of being someone who is uncertain about my alignment. It makes it sound like you want me to be mafia instead of you really believe I am mafia.
What's your case on me, rayn? Your case is that I'm lying?
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
This was the whole process GB, the thing you quoted was before, not the emoji but the post inside there.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that your change of attitude with Damred looks sketchy and I wrote scenarios of mafia "knowing and not knowing the set up"
You are here saying that rayn is being "opportunistic", where has he been opportunistic?
I don't know if I'm missing something, I'm sorry, but I still don't understand why can't myself and rayn be town together. I understand why I can be mafia under your perspective, but I can't understand how that implicates rayn.
The timing of his accusations led me believe that he was trying to divert town to the wrong direction calling me mafia.
why dont you just call her mafia for that?
Because I don't know if she's mafia? I don't feel she is mafia and I'm trying to understand her thought process.
Why do I have to call her mafia and why is that relevant for you?
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
This was the whole process GB, the thing you quoted was before, not the emoji but the post inside there.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that your change of attitude with Damred looks sketchy and I wrote scenarios of mafia "knowing and not knowing the set up"
You are here saying that rayn is being "opportunistic", where has he been opportunistic?
I don't know if I'm missing something, I'm sorry, but I still don't understand why can't myself and rayn be town together. I understand why I can be mafia under your perspective, but I can't understand how that implicates rayn.
The timing of his accusations led me believe that he was trying to divert town to the wrong direction calling me mafia.
You want me to live in a world in which both of you are town yet you are here on each other throats lol.
I don't think Rayn is mafia even tho I disagree with his Ruxxar read, he is odd and sketchy and I don't like the whole "too bad to be mafia" but he is trying to put things in another perspective, he called out the bullshit about "hey I am glad I am not mafia" when you posted in the quick topic that you were excited, like these things made noises over my head because I think Dadred town read you for your "tone" and reaction to him confessing he didnt read the set up, I think it is very TOWN to question his read on you when he had that "extra" info we don't have, don't you think?
Like imagine if you were mafia idk, with monadel. And then monadel comes and says "I am glad I am town lol super glad" and on the quick topic he was all "Hey GB my hero let's fuck with the town I am happy we are mafia together", it sounds odd, strange.
What I am trying to say is that, Rayn questioning you is not opportunistic at all, it is very TOWNIE.
On September 29 2020 04:18 Dadred wrote: Yeah I just feel stupid and demoralized now I thought we were using the same setup as last time.
So I guess I have to actually play hard now n0 and press people to get a final reads list out.
On September 29 2020 04:26 Dadred wrote: Shockeyy and Cake are very likely town in this scenerio. Shockeyy picked up on things that town would , I like cakes tone atm.
Gb could potentially be town as well for the reaction to my stupidity now.
On September 29 2020 04:28 Dadred wrote: So just with initial reads mafia is in rayn, monadel and rux.
This is obviously very off the cuff.
Like the more I think about it the more I like Shockeyy and GB reaction to me. They paid attention and saw what was wrong.
Also worth noting the tone of gb first post reads town, in the first pm gb probably rolled mafia and got town this time. It's legit read there
I am trying to think if Damdred can get from super demoralized into super focus in 8 minutes after realizing he fucked up.
I am trying to see this as townie/townie but I find it hard with how hard you changed your mind with not questioning (Rayn questioned Dadred even after the set up thing).
how would that be different from T/M?
I don't understand the T/M you are asking.
I believe more that you are town than GB at the moment and I am trying to put a perspective with town GB (I was sure he was mafia last game so I am trying to make the same mistake here) but it was hard for me to see him town until he posted he did it for reactions.
So far to me it is like:
1.- I am mafia GB and I don't know the set up, I don't think Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions. 2.- I am mafia GB and I know the set up, I can assume or not assume that Dadred is the real cop so I start to fish reactions still. 3.- I am town GB and I am not sure if Dadred is the real cop yet I start to play to see reactions and engage conversation.
Then the clear set up comes
1.- I am mafia GB and I really didn't know the set up so my tone is genuine. 2.- I am mafia GB and I knew the set up so I have to act. 3.- I am town GB and I didn't know the set up, fuck.
how would town vs mafia be different of town vs town?
It is not different but when you posted you were supposed to be mafia together in the previous pm and used that info makes me think it is hard you are mafia/mafia and at least not mafia together in case one of you has to be mafia.
This was the whole process GB, the thing you quoted was before, not the emoji but the post inside there.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that your change of attitude with Damred looks sketchy and I wrote scenarios of mafia "knowing and not knowing the set up"
You are here saying that rayn is being "opportunistic", where has he been opportunistic?
I don't know if I'm missing something, I'm sorry, but I still don't understand why can't myself and rayn be town together. I understand why I can be mafia under your perspective, but I can't understand how that implicates rayn.
The timing of his accusations led me believe that he was trying to divert town to the wrong direction calling me mafia.
You want me to live in a world in which both of you are town yet you are here on each other throats lol.
I don't think Rayn is mafia even tho I disagree with his Ruxxar read, he is odd and sketchy and I don't like the whole "too bad to be mafia" but he is trying to put things in another perspective, he called out the bullshit about "hey I am glad I am not mafia" when you posted in the quick topic that you were excited, like these things made noises over my head because I think Dadred town read you for your "tone" and reaction to him confessing he didnt read the set up, I think it is very TOWN to question his read on you when he had that "extra" info we don't have, don't you think?
Like imagine if you were mafia idk, with monadel. And then monadel comes and says "I am glad I am town lol super glad" and on the quick topic he was all "Hey GB my hero let's fuck with the town I am happy we are mafia together", it sounds odd, strange.
What I am trying to say is that, Rayn questioning you is not opportunistic at all, it is very TOWNIE.
I don't want you to live in any world, I'm just trying to understand what in our interaction points out to one out of me and rayn being mafia. Because you gave reasons why I could be mafia, but that's all. So why saying "there is mafia between rayn and GB" like it's based on simple logic instead of saying "GB is mafia, rayn is town"?
Questioning is important, but how you questioning is also alignment indicative. Here rayn is just pushing me with irrelevant questions that leads nowhere just to throw suspicions on me. He is not interested in solving my alignment, he is interested in using my posts to keep saying "you're mafia" while scumreading me for flimsy reasons. That's opportunistic.
On September 29 2020 04:26 Dadred wrote: Shockeyy and Cake are very likely town in this scenerio. Shockeyy picked up on things that town would , I like cakes tone atm.
Gb could potentially be town as well for the reaction to my stupidity now.
On September 29 2020 04:28 Dadred wrote: So just with initial reads mafia is in rayn, monadel and rux.
This is obviously very off the cuff.
Like the more I think about it the more I like Shockeyy and GB reaction to me. They paid attention and saw what was wrong.
Also worth noting the tone of gb first post reads town, in the first pm gb probably rolled mafia and got town this time. It's legit read there
I am trying to think if Damdred can get from super demoralized into super focus in 8 minutes after realizing he fucked up.
Like, this post. It's just rayn throwing suspicions on Damdred without any interest in solving it. What do you intend to gather with this post? Nothing. Purely irrelevant. Can Damdred get demoralized and super focused in 8 minutes? Answer: yes. Why is this alignment indicative? It isn't.
On September 29 2020 07:30 Dadred wrote: Who's scum gb
More likely Ruxxar and Rayn, we have to hear from Monadel. I think Shockey is town. I think Copcake could be town I think you're town regardless of the claim.
On September 29 2020 08:51 Dadred wrote: Ok if you were wrong on someone GB who is it?
Ruxxar. The thing I dislike the most is his opening and his disinterest in reading a 5 pages game.
Because youre "most likely wrong on ruxxar here" if you are wrong, so it must be someone else, right? Or did you mess up again and call someone town when youre supposed to call them mafia? When did you call ruxxar town? Between those posts?
On September 29 2020 08:39 CopCake wrote: I have a question GB
What made Rayn mafia before he came to accuse you and fucked up "town organization"?
Nothing, I even said there was nothing to call him mafia.
Poe.
But why can’t town rayn call you out for the whole quicktopic thing and the tone?
He CAN call me mafia for that. But being absolutely right about it and nitpicking every post I make is just someone who has an agenda and wants to paint me read while cluttering the thread. I mean, rayn is a good player and a town player will be conscious that a "feeling" that someone "might be lying" isn't really strong grounds to rely on.
On September 29 2020 08:58 CopCake wrote: It is like you are too tunelled to think he is mafia
Uhm, I think it should be the opposite, no? I was being more and more convinced while he kept posting.
On September 29 2020 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who is my scumbuddy GB?
On September 29 2020 07:30 Dadred wrote: Who's scum gb
More likely Ruxxar and Rayn, we have to hear from Monadel. I think Shockey is town. I think Copcake could be town I think you're town regardless of the claim.
On September 29 2020 08:51 Dadred wrote: Ok if you were wrong on someone GB who is it?
Ruxxar. The thing I dislike the most is his opening and his disinterest in reading a 5 pages game.
Because youre "most likely wrong on ruxxar here" if you are wrong, so it must be someone else, right? Or did you mess up again and call someone town when youre supposed to call them mafia? When did you call ruxxar town? Between those posts?
? I said that, between you two, ruxxar is less mafia than you.
So second scum can't be GB then, the fight back and forth felt to real.
Ruxxar is town to I think.
Shockeyy still feel is town
Cop is more than likely town, though with the knowledge that Rayn is scum the heat cop out on GB feels strange. But, the attitude cop had towards rayn in the question kinda points to town still.
Oh please, let's not do this. If you're the cop you're checking me. Your attempt to look like a "townie who is trying to get the shot instead of the real cop" is absolutely unconvincing.
On September 29 2020 09:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: What? :D Are you trying to say we have two mafia cc'ing each other? Or Town Rayn is counter claiming to take the shot?
dudei was panting off the claim to see if he is mafia with GB, which is now quite apparent to me. It doesn't even matter what i say though, it's gonna be clear after N0 ends.
On September 29 2020 09:28 Dadred wrote: There's no reason for me to die when you cc me now, mafia won't miss a one v one and not try to hit doctor tonight
On September 29 2020 09:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: What? :D Are you trying to say we have two mafia cc'ing each other? Or Town Rayn is counter claiming to take the shot?
None of them. I'm saying the claims aren't real and that's all.
I won't budge from my claim I am 100% sticking by it and hope I get shot. I didn't read op when I signed up it sucks but I won't back down.
I don't want to spend the rest of my night getting frustrated arguing with rayn and him spamming faces when I could spend time reading to my girl and catching up when I'm done.
Well, I don't care anyway so I'll just Rayn is mafia because he cluttered the thread almost all n0 pushing me on the grounds off flimsy suspicions. He thinks I've lied and all he has is this. It's not a problem to pursue information on your target, but one thing is trying to understand their thought process, another is to try to throw suspicions on your target so you can derail town into a mislynch without actually being interested in his alignment. His questions weren't curiosity, investigation, it was pure "inquisition". He WANTS me to be mafia because it fits his agenda.
This adds to him giving a town pass for ruXXar, saying that ruXXar being anti-town makes him town, which is not a reason to firmly establish someone's alignment. ruXXar is at least suspicious because of how he is behaving. He came to the thread saying he had a headache trying to understand the setup discussion while admitting not reading the thread. He i having a migrane because he isn't reading people's posts? It makes no sense. If rayn is so keen to believe a "possible lie" is a reason to scumread someone, why he isn't suspicious of ruxxar? Also, ruXXar came to the thread soft defending me. If rayn is so suspicious I'm mafia, why he isnt suspicious of how ruxxar appeared to defend me?
Those are the reasons why I believe rayn is mafia and I'm only voting him day1 so you can do whatever you want.
On September 29 2020 09:38 Dadred wrote: I won't budge from my claim I am 100% sticking by it and hope I get shot. I didn't read op when I signed up it sucks but I won't back down.
I don't want to spend the rest of my night getting frustrated arguing with rayn and him spamming faces when I could spend time reading to my girl and catching up when I'm done.
I think that's fair.
WTF how can your daughter be more important than finding scum?
I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
On September 29 2020 10:14 Monadel wrote: I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
My one read is that shockey is town 100%
Dang is there really a difference in my meta? I need to play with new people.
On September 29 2020 09:38 Dadred wrote: I won't budge from my claim I am 100% sticking by it and hope I get shot. I didn't read op when I signed up it sucks but I won't back down.
I don't want to spend the rest of my night getting frustrated arguing with rayn and him spamming faces when I could spend time reading to my girl and catching up when I'm done.
I think that's fair.
WTF how can your daughter be more important than finding scum?
On September 29 2020 10:14 Monadel wrote: I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
My one read is that shockey is town 100%
THANK YOU
We can stop talking about cop claims but if they are both townies they are just making it easier for mafia and harder for town, I feel offended with that little theater.
Don't you think mafia would make thread loose precious time calling someone mafia with reasons that doesn't make them mafia at all?
On September 29 2020 10:14 Monadel wrote: I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
My one read is that shockey is town 100%
Dang is there really a difference in my meta? I need to play with new people.
On September 29 2020 09:38 Dadred wrote: I won't budge from my claim I am 100% sticking by it and hope I get shot. I didn't read op when I signed up it sucks but I won't back down.
I don't want to spend the rest of my night getting frustrated arguing with rayn and him spamming faces when I could spend time reading to my girl and catching up when I'm done.
I think that's fair.
WTF how can your daughter be more important than finding scum?
On September 29 2020 10:14 Monadel wrote: I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
My one read is that shockey is town 100%
THANK YOU
We can stop talking about cop claims but if they are both townies they are just making it easier for mafia and harder for town, I feel offended with that little theater.
Don't you think mafia would make thread loose precious time calling someone mafia with reasons that doesn't make them mafia at all?
Yeah and if they're both townies you're making it easier for mafia by pointing that out.
I don't think we lost any time with the conversation, its N0. I do agree it was nitpicky but not because it couldn't make you mafia but because you cant prove it either way. That being said I think most things discussed N0 would be nitpicky as is the nature of it being N0.
On September 29 2020 10:14 Monadel wrote: I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
My one read is that shockey is town 100%
THANK YOU
We can stop talking about cop claims but if they are both townies they are just making it easier for mafia and harder for town, I feel offended with that little theater.
Don't you think mafia would make thread loose precious time calling someone mafia with reasons that doesn't make them mafia at all?
Yeah and if they're both townies you're making it easier for mafia by pointing that out.
I don't think we lost any time with the conversation, its N0. I do agree it was nitpicky but not because it couldn't make you mafia but because you cant prove it either way. That being said I think most things discussed N0 would be nitpicky as is the nature of it being N0.
Oh please, as mafia didn't already see through it.
I could be mafia but not because of that. It offends me to have people believing I would be so stupid as mafia to start with an opening post saying "Thank god I'm not mafia" instead of doing my basic "OHAI! I'm town".
So, who's most likely mafia with the information you've got so far?
I believed it would be easier not being cop and deal with shit like last game but now I am all like filled with conspiracy theories, at least in the other one I was sure shockey was mafia 100%
On September 29 2020 10:14 Monadel wrote: I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
My one read is that shockey is town 100%
Logical entry, although just a rehash of my sentiment. What makes shockey town?
On September 29 2020 15:38 CopCake wrote: OMFG what the fuck is this
What is this fake hysteria rant you're going on about. Is this a bad attempt at looking townie? Cause its not. You’re circling the periphery making it seem like you care about town when you dont.
On September 29 2020 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
Exactly this.
Like this post makes me think you have read the thread
On September 29 2020 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus Christ, why would I lie about that as either alignment, guys? If I am mafia and I could say: haha I knew about the setup all along, I was just getting reactions
What a dumb thing to do as mafia, lying about not knowing the setup
Exactly this.
Like this post makes me think you have read the thread
Ruxxar I think shockey is town because his tone is very different from last game where he is mafia. Ignoring one games worth of meta he also is posting fairly care free but still relevant which I would attribute to town.
On September 29 2020 10:14 Monadel wrote: I think we should all stop talking about cops and cop claims until start of next phase.
People not understanding how GB as town could have that discussion pre game with rayn about setup and then forget when game starts seems unreasonable. There was more than a day between that discussion and game start. That being said he could still do it as mafia so IMO its NAI and im surprised it was spoken about so much because its not like you are ever going to work out if he was lying or not.
I had another point about people (rayn or copcake) being unresonable with a read towards GB but I dont remember and cant be bother rereading to find it right now.
My one read is that shockey is town 100%
Logical entry, although just a rehash of my sentiment. What makes shockey town?
Which is basically just saying "Your (me) sheeping me" but in an annoying way. I think that is more likely from town.
On September 29 2020 19:36 Monadel wrote: I don't think anyone is more likely mafia at this point. I have two town reads that im fairly comfortable with at the moment.
Why do you think GB is mafia copcake?
I don’t like his tunneling on rayn nor trying to see how he could be town yet he is asking me to do that and try to see him town.
Like I am not accusing him of being mafia for the whole “pm quicktopic” thing, but Rayn pointed that out which is very town of him. He is also saying that Rayn was being opportunistic but what if he was trying to look for reactions too?
He is like asking to do something for him but not giving it back to others (rayn).
What do you think of him?
Btw if you are town I am sorry detective GB 🕵🏽♀️ but I will grill your ass if I see something odd.
When rayn claimed it shooked me and I started to contemplate that maybe I was wrong about GB (I still think Rayn is town btw) but then when GB told Shockey that it was probable that rayn was lying to protect the cop that was so anti town plus adding the other points I have said, like saying that rayn is opportunistic, the tunneling etc makes me think he is mafia.
On September 29 2020 21:06 CopCake wrote: When rayn claimed it shooked me and I started to contemplate that maybe I was wrong about GB (I still think Rayn is town btw) but then when GB told Shockey that it was probable that rayn was lying to protect the cop that was so anti town plus adding the other points I have said, like saying that rayn is opportunistic, the tunneling etc makes me think he is mafia.
I think you will think I'm mafia in every game because you're paranoid I could be fooling you.
I am not tunneling rayn, I have been trying to gather as much information as I could from everyone. He doesn't even answer the questions I make for him. Also, I've asked him to see me as town so at least we could have a debate that would move forward, but he deflected it by doing that fake cop shit and peaced out.
He is doing a good job as mafia, but he is mafia 100%.
Cake, how do you explain rayn being so certain I am mafia while having not a single doubt about ruxxar being town? The first thing ruxxar made was defending me saying my behavior was not alignment indicative. I would expect a townie so tunneled to at least suspect the reasons why ruxxar does that.
On September 29 2020 21:06 CopCake wrote: When rayn claimed it shooked me and I started to contemplate that maybe I was wrong about GB (I still think Rayn is town btw) but then when GB told Shockey that it was probable that rayn was lying to protect the cop that was so anti town plus adding the other points I have said, like saying that rayn is opportunistic, the tunneling etc makes me think he is mafia.
I think you will think I'm mafia in every game because you're paranoid I could be fooling you.
I am not tunneling rayn, I have been trying to gather as much information as I could from everyone. He doesn't even answer the questions I make for him. Also, I've asked him to see me as town so at least we could have a debate that would move forward, but he deflected it by doing that fake cop shit and peaced out.
He is doing a good job as mafia, but he is mafia 100%.
On September 29 2020 21:06 CopCake wrote: When rayn claimed it shooked me and I started to contemplate that maybe I was wrong about GB (I still think Rayn is town btw) but then when GB told Shockey that it was probable that rayn was lying to protect the cop that was so anti town plus adding the other points I have said, like saying that rayn is opportunistic, the tunneling etc makes me think he is mafia.
I think you will think I'm mafia in every game because you're paranoid I could be fooling you.
I am not tunneling rayn, I have been trying to gather as much information as I could from everyone. He doesn't even answer the questions I make for him. Also, I've asked him to see me as town so at least we could have a debate that would move forward, but he deflected it by doing that fake cop shit and peaced out.
He is doing a good job as mafia, but he is mafia 100%.
On September 30 2020 00:41 GlowingBear wrote: Cake, how do you explain rayn being so certain I am mafia while having not a single doubt about ruxxar being town? The first thing ruxxar made was defending me saying my behavior was not alignment indicative. I would expect a townie so tunneled to at least suspect the reasons why ruxxar does that.
Well I am not him and we both know that Rayn can have bad reads (he believed Dadred was mafia last game), so far he says that Ruxxar is "too bad to be mafia", something that Monadel also mentioned but with other words "He is not doing a good job getting friends"
On September 29 2020 21:06 CopCake wrote: When rayn claimed it shooked me and I started to contemplate that maybe I was wrong about GB (I still think Rayn is town btw) but then when GB told Shockey that it was probable that rayn was lying to protect the cop that was so anti town plus adding the other points I have said, like saying that rayn is opportunistic, the tunneling etc makes me think he is mafia.
I think you will think I'm mafia in every game because you're paranoid I could be fooling you.
I am not tunneling rayn, I have been trying to gather as much information as I could from everyone. He doesn't even answer the questions I make for him. Also, I've asked him to see me as town so at least we could have a debate that would move forward, but he deflected it by doing that fake cop shit and peaced out.
He is doing a good job as mafia, but he is mafia 100%.
I mean last game you two were best friends :O
After she checked me.
I should not call you detective :p until I am 100% sure you are
Why do you think rayn would claim “I am a cop” after Dadred did it? Why is he going against his “if you are the cop dont claim”? What is the benefit of him to do this as mafia?
On September 30 2020 00:41 GlowingBear wrote: Cake, how do you explain rayn being so certain I am mafia while having not a single doubt about ruxxar being town? The first thing ruxxar made was defending me saying my behavior was not alignment indicative. I would expect a townie so tunneled to at least suspect the reasons why ruxxar does that.
Well I am not him and we both know that Rayn can have bad reads (he believed Dadred was mafia last game), so far he says that Ruxxar is "too bad to be mafia", something that Monadel also mentioned but with other words "He is not doing a good job getting friends"
You think he has a bad read on ruxxar but his read on me is super fine? Do you believe rayn is town or do you want him to be town so you can sheep him?
On September 30 2020 03:18 CopCake wrote: Gb I’ll imagine you are town
Why do you think rayn would claim “I am a cop” after Dadred did it? Why is he going against his “if you are the cop dont claim”? What is the benefit of him to do this as mafia?
Same question goes for the rest.
We can talk about this in thirty minutes. I obviously won't die so let's discuss this on Day1
On September 29 2020 15:38 CopCake wrote: OMFG what the fuck is this
What is this fake hysteria rant you're going on about. Is this a bad attempt at looking townie? Cause its not. You’re circling the periphery making it seem like you care about town when you dont.
I just noticed this
And no, I woke up and saw rayn’s claim and literally I went like 🤯 because he did that when I was sleeping so it is like he threw a bomb.
I am fairly certain that glowingbear is mafia here. There is nothing that makes me think otherwise from the case i made earlier. Sure you can always argue stuff like "noone can prove that wrong or right" or other bullshit like that. Yeah well, welcome to playing mafia, almost 100% of the time that is the case. I dont see anything in his reaponses other than "why would i as mafia..." reasoning, which isn't ever a good reasoning for doing anything, usually those people have thought it out just to say so, ss mafia. I also have no idea why me being able to scumread gb and NOT scumread tuxzar somehow is a point against me. Those are teo completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. So yeah, i have made my case and yes, i cannot 100% prove i am right; but i think i have enough evidence to come to the conclusion i have come to.
I originally decided to cc damdred because i find it somewhat fishy to go from completely demotivates to fully motivated in whole 8 minutes. As i said earlier, it is NAI for damdred to claim in itself. After my cc i found out another fishy thing. Damdred is somehow angry that i ccd him??? Like, if i am mafia he just found out confirmed mafia, hell its even likely that he lives. Why angry? If i am town i am helping him because its a possibility that i am eating a shot instead of him. Again, why angry? I dont understand why damdred the cop wants to die N0 and is angry he might not????
Anyways heres what we do:
Damdred dies and flips cop: we always lynch D1. I dont care if you lynch me but we always lynch because it leaves the doc more possibilities to hit a correct save, or hell we can even hit mafia.
Damdred dies and flips not cop town - impossible
I die, then you no lynch and see if there is cc and figure out the game from there, normally with checks.
Neither of us die. Damdred is mafia because then mafia thinks i am a cop. Thats literally the only scenario where we both live.
Most likely Damdred is honna die anyways, but i tried. :/
Shockeyy, cake and ruxxar are town. I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
This is instant majority lynch - once a player hits 4 votes, the player is lynched and the day immediately ends. You can vote for a ##no-lynch. Maximum day length is 72 hours.
On September 29 2020 04:26 Dadred wrote: Shockeyy and Cake are very likely town in this scenerio. Shockeyy picked up on things that town would , I like cakes tone atm.
Gb could potentially be town as well for the reaction to my stupidity now.
No. There are a lot of things that don't add up.
1) Me and Glowingbear discussed the setup and the changes before the game started. I find it kind of hard to believe he didn't know the doctor could not act on N0, which is furthermore even more likely because of his reaction to your claim. Like when we discussed the setup changes i clearly said "if cop claims exactly at the end of N0". The end of night doesn't matter if doctor can act, because obviously the correct play is to claim in your first post as a cop if that's the case.
On September 29 2020 04:39 Dadred wrote: Yeah it's just POE, rayn hasn't even had a reaction to the cop claim which is a bit interesting in of itself.
Glowingbear is a smart person. He played incredibly well last game. We can probably all agree on that. Here's a problem; You wrote "rayn hasn't even had a reaction to the cop claim which is a bit interesting in of itself". You're entirely correct on that. Do you remember what was my reaction last game when shockeyy claimed? I immediately told him to shut up and post nothing more (until there is a cc). Why doesn't that difference in me interest GB a single bit this game?!?!?!? Actually i know and knew the doc cannot act N0 because i actually read the setup.... And what i did was the correct thing. I kind of believe GB knows that and that's why he didn't address this at all, and for whatever reason started pretending he doesn't know the setup after shockeyy said what he said.
Also worth noting the tone of gb first post reads town, in the first pm gb probably rolled mafia and got town this time. It's legit read there
I don't believe that and you shouldn't either. Yeah i know for a fact GB rolled mafia before re'rolling because i was the other mafia. Hapa even gave us a QT and there is one post, that says: " My god, this was going to be such a good team ". Do you wanna guess who wrote that?
My first impression when the game actually started was "fuck why couldn't we just have played with the old roles". I don't believe GB's first post for one second, especially because of what he wrote into the QT.
So there is that.
This is rayn's case. It's based on the belief I'm lying, solely. He believes I've lied about being glad I'm not mafia, he believes I've lied about forgetting the setup changed.
That's all. You could sum it up to "GB is lying and lying makes him mafia", while I'm not lying and even if I was, that doesn't make me mafia in any way.
I would expect that town!rayn would be aware that this is weak grounds to have a strong scumread and to be more colaborative regarding the rest of the game. But all I have from him is "ruxxar is town because he is antitown/GB is mafia/ Damdred could be mafia". Period. He deliberately shut down every attempt to develop any other discussion. And this is why I believe he is mafia.
I wrote this while hapa was mia btw and I'm posting it whatever the flip is.
On September 30 2020 05:01 CopCake wrote: The problem is that
It was obvious that rayn fake claimed to save Dadred and yet you still called him mafia GB
Yes and it can be easily done as mafia. It was so obvious that it looked fake as hell, as he was trying to get credit from it. Like he is doing just now.
I am going to add to my case on gb. GB should know i am not mafia, like gb should 100% know i am mafia. A lot of people instantly jump on seemingly "stupid" stuff, and that's what makes them not really good mafia players. There is simply nothing i can ever gain in cc'ing Damdred as mafia. Never ever. Glowingbear should 100% know this is true, regardless of what my read on him is.
I could understand him wanting to lynmch me if it was normal D1, hell i would probably lynch myself if it was normal D1. But it's not, it's mylo.
On September 30 2020 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to add to my case on gb. GB should know i am not mafia, like gb should 100% know i am mafia. A lot of people instantly jump on seemingly "stupid" stuff, and that's what makes them not really good mafia players. There is simply nothing i can ever gain in cc'ing Damdred as mafia. Never ever. Glowingbear should 100% know this is true, regardless of what my read on him is.
I could understand him wanting to lynmch me if it was normal D1, hell i would probably lynch myself if it was normal D1. But it's not, it's mylo.
And OF COURSE you're going to use that as a reason to say you're town and a reason to scumread me.
On September 30 2020 05:01 CopCake wrote: The problem is that
It was obvious that rayn fake claimed to save Dadred and yet you still called him mafia GB
No, i did not fakeclaim to save Damdred. Read my fucking post. I fakeclaimed because there was a chance that Damdred is in fact mafia as i have explained multiple times, and if that was the case someone fakeclaiming is the only way to save the situation in case Damdred is indeed mafia. READ. MY. FUCKING. POSTS.
On September 30 2020 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to add to my case on gb. GB should know i am not mafia, like gb should 100% know i am mafia. A lot of people instantly jump on seemingly "stupid" stuff, and that's what makes them not really good mafia players. There is simply nothing i can ever gain in cc'ing Damdred as mafia. Never ever. Glowingbear should 100% know this is true, regardless of what my read on him is.
I could understand him wanting to lynmch me if it was normal D1, hell i would probably lynch myself if it was normal D1. But it's not, it's mylo.
And OF COURSE you're going to use that as a reason to say you're town and a reason to scumread me.
Come on, rayn.
I am not arguing with mafia. I dont care if i am lynched, and you will probably win. I only care about being right or wrong.
On September 30 2020 05:01 CopCake wrote: The problem is that
It was obvious that rayn fake claimed to save Dadred and yet you still called him mafia GB
No, i did not fakeclaim to save Damdred. Read my fucking post. I fakeclaimed because there was a chance that Damdred is in fact mafia as i have explained multiple times, and if that was the case someone fakeclaiming is the only way to save the situation in case Damdred is indeed mafia. READ. MY. FUCKING. POSTS.
Rayn, if Damdred was mafia, how would your fakeclaim help in any way? I've read ALL your posts but please enlighten me.
On September 30 2020 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am fairly certain that glowingbear is mafia here. There is nothing that makes me think otherwise from the case i made earlier. Sure you can always argue stuff like "noone can prove that wrong or right" or other bullshit like that. Yeah well, welcome to playing mafia, almost 100% of the time that is the case. I dont see anything in his reaponses other than "why would i as mafia..." reasoning, which isn't ever a good reasoning for doing anything, usually those people have thought it out just to say so, ss mafia. I also have no idea why me being able to scumread gb and NOT scumread tuxzar somehow is a point against me. Those are teo completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. So yeah, i have made my case and yes, i cannot 100% prove i am right; but i think i have enough evidence to come to the conclusion i have come to.
I originally decided to cc damdred because i find it somewhat fishy to go from completely demotivates to fully motivated in whole 8 minutes. As i said earlier, it is NAI for damdred to claim in itself. After my cc i found out another fishy thing. Damdred is somehow angry that i ccd him??? Like, if i am mafia he just found out confirmed mafia, hell its even likely that he lives. Why angry? If i am town i am helping him because its a possibility that i am eating a shot instead of him. Again, why angry? I dont understand why damdred the cop wants to die N0 and is angry he might not????
Anyways heres what we do:
Damdred dies and flips cop: we always lynch D1. I dont care if you lynch me but we always lynch because it leaves the doc more possibilities to hit a correct save, or hell we can even hit mafia.
Damdred dies and flips not cop town - impossible
I die, then you no lynch and see if there is cc and figure out the game from there, normally with checks.
Neither of us die. Damdred is mafia because then mafia thinks i am a cop. Thats literally the only scenario where we both live.
Most likely Damdred is honna die anyways, but i tried. :/
Shockeyy, cake and ruxxar are town. I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
On September 30 2020 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to add to my case on gb. GB should know i am not mafia, like gb should 100% know i am mafia. A lot of people instantly jump on seemingly "stupid" stuff, and that's what makes them not really good mafia players. There is simply nothing i can ever gain in cc'ing Damdred as mafia. Never ever. Glowingbear should 100% know this is true, regardless of what my read on him is.
I could understand him wanting to lynmch me if it was normal D1, hell i would probably lynch myself if it was normal D1. But it's not, it's mylo.
And OF COURSE you're going to use that as a reason to say you're town and a reason to scumread me.
Come on, rayn.
I am not arguing with mafia. I dont care if i am lynched, and you will probably win. I only care about being right or wrong.
How about we do this? I believe you're mafia, you believe I'm mafia. We are the most vocal players in thread. If we are both town, we just screwed the game. How about we have a truce and work inside a scenario where we are both town working together. Are you up to it?
I didn't have time to write properly before eod, i think ruxxar is town because he is usually being just really dumb when he is town. lol. As mafia he is way more sharp (although i am not really good at reading him, or idk i dont remember it's been a while). I still know something about town play. We know that when ruxxar entered the thread there was already a claim and that had for sure been discussed in scum qt. Ruxxar comes to thread and in a claim/setup focused game doesnt want to discuss claim/setup. That's so fucking retarded in my opinion i cannot believe in any way he is faking it in the thread while making plans with his mafia buddy.
On September 30 2020 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to add to my case on gb. GB should know i am not mafia, like gb should 100% know i am mafia. A lot of people instantly jump on seemingly "stupid" stuff, and that's what makes them not really good mafia players. There is simply nothing i can ever gain in cc'ing Damdred as mafia. Never ever. Glowingbear should 100% know this is true, regardless of what my read on him is.
I could understand him wanting to lynmch me if it was normal D1, hell i would probably lynch myself if it was normal D1. But it's not, it's mylo.
And OF COURSE you're going to use that as a reason to say you're town and a reason to scumread me.
Come on, rayn.
I am not arguing with mafia. I dont care if i am lynched, and you will probably win. I only care about being right or wrong.
How about we do this? I believe you're mafia, you believe I'm mafia. We are the most vocal players in thread. If we are both town, we just screwed the game. How about we have a truce and work inside a scenario where we are both town working together. Are you up to it?
The only scenario where we are working together is where we lynch Monadel.
On September 30 2020 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to add to my case on gb. GB should know i am not mafia, like gb should 100% know i am mafia. A lot of people instantly jump on seemingly "stupid" stuff, and that's what makes them not really good mafia players. There is simply nothing i can ever gain in cc'ing Damdred as mafia. Never ever. Glowingbear should 100% know this is true, regardless of what my read on him is.
I could understand him wanting to lynmch me if it was normal D1, hell i would probably lynch myself if it was normal D1. But it's not, it's mylo.
And OF COURSE you're going to use that as a reason to say you're town and a reason to scumread me.
Come on, rayn.
I am not arguing with mafia. I dont care if i am lynched, and you will probably win. I only care about being right or wrong.
How about we do this? I believe you're mafia, you believe I'm mafia. We are the most vocal players in thread. If we are both town, we just screwed the game. How about we have a truce and work inside a scenario where we are both town working together. Are you up to it?
The only scenario where we are working together is where we lynch Monadel.
I just want talk about the game as if we are both confirmed townies to each other and try to understand people's behavior under another perspective. What would you think of other players alignments if we both were townies?
On September 30 2020 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am fairly certain that glowingbear is mafia here. There is nothing that makes me think otherwise from the case i made earlier. Sure you can always argue stuff like "noone can prove that wrong or right" or other bullshit like that. Yeah well, welcome to playing mafia, almost 100% of the time that is the case. I dont see anything in his reaponses other than "why would i as mafia..." reasoning, which isn't ever a good reasoning for doing anything, usually those people have thought it out just to say so, ss mafia. I also have no idea why me being able to scumread gb and NOT scumread tuxzar somehow is a point against me. Those are teo completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. So yeah, i have made my case and yes, i cannot 100% prove i am right; but i think i have enough evidence to come to the conclusion i have come to.
I originally decided to cc damdred because i find it somewhat fishy to go from completely demotivates to fully motivated in whole 8 minutes. As i said earlier, it is NAI for damdred to claim in itself. After my cc i found out another fishy thing. Damdred is somehow angry that i ccd him??? Like, if i am mafia he just found out confirmed mafia, hell its even likely that he lives. Why angry? If i am town i am helping him because its a possibility that i am eating a shot instead of him. Again, why angry? I dont understand why damdred the cop wants to die N0 and is angry he might not????
Anyways heres what we do:
Damdred dies and flips cop: we always lynch D1. I dont care if you lynch me but we always lynch because it leaves the doc more possibilities to hit a correct save, or hell we can even hit mafia.
Damdred dies and flips not cop town - impossible
I die, then you no lynch and see if there is cc and figure out the game from there, normally with checks.
Neither of us die. Damdred is mafia because then mafia thinks i am a cop. Thats literally the only scenario where we both live.
*********** Most likely Damdred is honna die anyways, but i tried. :/ **********
Shockeyy, cake and ruxxar are town. I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
For the record whoever gets lynched the lynch should happen JUST after 24h period. That way, after the lynch there is the MOST time for doctor to figure out what to do.
On September 30 2020 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am fairly certain that glowingbear is mafia here. There is nothing that makes me think otherwise from the case i made earlier. Sure you can always argue stuff like "noone can prove that wrong or right" or other bullshit like that. Yeah well, welcome to playing mafia, almost 100% of the time that is the case. I dont see anything in his reaponses other than "why would i as mafia..." reasoning, which isn't ever a good reasoning for doing anything, usually those people have thought it out just to say so, ss mafia. I also have no idea why me being able to scumread gb and NOT scumread tuxzar somehow is a point against me. Those are teo completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. So yeah, i have made my case and yes, i cannot 100% prove i am right; but i think i have enough evidence to come to the conclusion i have come to.
I originally decided to cc damdred because i find it somewhat fishy to go from completely demotivates to fully motivated in whole 8 minutes. As i said earlier, it is NAI for damdred to claim in itself. After my cc i found out another fishy thing. Damdred is somehow angry that i ccd him??? Like, if i am mafia he just found out confirmed mafia, hell its even likely that he lives. Why angry? If i am town i am helping him because its a possibility that i am eating a shot instead of him. Again, why angry? I dont understand why damdred the cop wants to die N0 and is angry he might not????
Anyways heres what we do:
Damdred dies and flips cop: we always lynch D1. I dont care if you lynch me but we always lynch because it leaves the doc more possibilities to hit a correct save, or hell we can even hit mafia.
Damdred dies and flips not cop town - impossible
I die, then you no lynch and see if there is cc and figure out the game from there, normally with checks.
Neither of us die. Damdred is mafia because then mafia thinks i am a cop. Thats literally the only scenario where we both live.
*********** Most likely Damdred is honna die anyways, but i tried. :/ **********
Shockeyy, cake and ruxxar are town. I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
On September 30 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record whoever gets lynched the lynch should happen JUST after 24h period. That way, after the lynch there is the MOST time for doctor to figure out what to do.
On September 30 2020 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am fairly certain that glowingbear is mafia here. There is nothing that makes me think otherwise from the case i made earlier. Sure you can always argue stuff like "noone can prove that wrong or right" or other bullshit like that. Yeah well, welcome to playing mafia, almost 100% of the time that is the case. I dont see anything in his reaponses other than "why would i as mafia..." reasoning, which isn't ever a good reasoning for doing anything, usually those people have thought it out just to say so, ss mafia. I also have no idea why me being able to scumread gb and NOT scumread tuxzar somehow is a point against me. Those are teo completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. So yeah, i have made my case and yes, i cannot 100% prove i am right; but i think i have enough evidence to come to the conclusion i have come to.
I originally decided to cc damdred because i find it somewhat fishy to go from completely demotivates to fully motivated in whole 8 minutes. As i said earlier, it is NAI for damdred to claim in itself. After my cc i found out another fishy thing. Damdred is somehow angry that i ccd him??? Like, if i am mafia he just found out confirmed mafia, hell its even likely that he lives. Why angry? If i am town i am helping him because its a possibility that i am eating a shot instead of him. Again, why angry? I dont understand why damdred the cop wants to die N0 and is angry he might not????
Anyways heres what we do:
Damdred dies and flips cop: we always lynch D1. I dont care if you lynch me but we always lynch because it leaves the doc more possibilities to hit a correct save, or hell we can even hit mafia.
Damdred dies and flips not cop town - impossible
I die, then you no lynch and see if there is cc and figure out the game from there, normally with checks.
Neither of us die. Damdred is mafia because then mafia thinks i am a cop. Thats literally the only scenario where we both live.
*********** Most likely Damdred is honna die anyways, but i tried. :/ **********
Shockeyy, cake and ruxxar are town. I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
On September 30 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: What would you think of other players alignments if we both were townies?
Why on earth would i put myself into a situation where i need to go against what i actually think on someone? That is literally the dumbest question anyone can ever ask from anyone else in a mafia game -- where the other person thinks you're mafia.
So what do you want? Me to make up one scumread? Or what? rofl
On September 30 2020 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am fairly certain that glowingbear is mafia here. There is nothing that makes me think otherwise from the case i made earlier. Sure you can always argue stuff like "noone can prove that wrong or right" or other bullshit like that. Yeah well, welcome to playing mafia, almost 100% of the time that is the case. I dont see anything in his reaponses other than "why would i as mafia..." reasoning, which isn't ever a good reasoning for doing anything, usually those people have thought it out just to say so, ss mafia. I also have no idea why me being able to scumread gb and NOT scumread tuxzar somehow is a point against me. Those are teo completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. So yeah, i have made my case and yes, i cannot 100% prove i am right; but i think i have enough evidence to come to the conclusion i have come to.
I originally decided to cc damdred because i find it somewhat fishy to go from completely demotivates to fully motivated in whole 8 minutes. As i said earlier, it is NAI for damdred to claim in itself. After my cc i found out another fishy thing. Damdred is somehow angry that i ccd him??? Like, if i am mafia he just found out confirmed mafia, hell its even likely that he lives. Why angry? If i am town i am helping him because its a possibility that i am eating a shot instead of him. Again, why angry? I dont understand why damdred the cop wants to die N0 and is angry he might not????
Anyways heres what we do:
Damdred dies and flips cop: we always lynch D1. I dont care if you lynch me but we always lynch because it leaves the doc more possibilities to hit a correct save, or hell we can even hit mafia.
Damdred dies and flips not cop town - impossible
I die, then you no lynch and see if there is cc and figure out the game from there, normally with checks.
Neither of us die. Damdred is mafia because then mafia thinks i am a cop. Thats literally the only scenario where we both live.
*********** Most likely Damdred is honna die anyways, but i tried. :/ **********
Shockeyy, cake and ruxxar are town. I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
The bolded part tells me otherwise...
................
no
Why did you said that then?
Because Damdred was 95% going to die and flip a cop.
On September 30 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: What would you think of other players alignments if we both were townies?
Why on earth would i put myself into a situation where i need to go against what i actually think on someone? That is literally the dumbest question anyone can ever ask from anyone else in a mafia game -- where the other person thinks you're mafia.
So what do you want? Me to make up one scumread? Or what? rofl
I want you to consider you might be wrong? Isn't it possible? Rofl
You know what? Game won't move forward with either me or rayn in the way and I cba to wait until n1 to have more information. It's crystal clear rayn wants me to be mafia instead of working the game out.
On September 30 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record whoever gets lynched the lynch should happen JUST after 24h period. That way, after the lynch there is the MOST time for doctor to figure out what to do.
If someone is lynched, then it's GG, isn't it?
It is not in case the doctor gets a correct save. That's why we MUST lynch today while it is mylo. IT gives way better chances for the doctor to get a correct save, than no-lynch. I said already i dont even care if i am gonna be the lynch, i am always lynching myself here over no-lynch.
On September 30 2020 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's also the correct play since i dont think i am getting gb lynched and apparently he isn't gonna try to work with me after all.
Rofl I've literally tried to talk about the game with you under another perspective but you refused
I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
On September 30 2020 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am very confident on that. Monadel most likely other mafia. Only reasonable post he has made is his town read on ruxxar, which is a good point. Ruxxar isnt making friends. I agree thats a point to ruxxars towniness. But you know who is only trying to make friends? Monadel himself. No scumreads, not even leans. No nothing just completely unnecessary posts of no value. Nothing more. And i am not a cop just so that it isnt unclear to anyone.
That mostly makes Monadel null, rayn. He pointed out the push on me was leading town nowhere because it's based on something you can't prove. That seems contributive enough to not put him in the "obv scum" category.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
On September 30 2020 05:32 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I don't know what to say. I think rux is mafia. Second one could be whoever. I don't care, we lost.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
On September 30 2020 05:32 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I don't know what to say. I think rux is mafia. Second one could be whoever. I don't care, we lost.
We can work this out GB, dont give up yet.
We need a save tonight or it's GG. There is 8% chance of that happening.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
You're hung up in the result and ignoring the fact that everything that rayn has done this game is mafia oriented. From scrumreading GB over setup BS to counterclaim nonsense that makes town confused. He handed mafia the game on a silver platter.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Cake, that's the problem. It was so obvious that his claim was fake that it felt he has done it just to gain cred. I've tried to hint I was the cop to see if I could get shot. Someone who wants to fool mafia will do it in a soft way. That's not how you take the shot.
The way he did it made it obvious for mafia to know he wasn't the cop and if Shockey is townie, then rayn confused town with that.
On September 30 2020 05:32 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I don't know what to say. I think rux is mafia. Second one could be whoever. I don't care, we lost.
We can work this out GB, dont give up yet.
We need a save tonight or it's GG. There is 8% chance of that happening.
Yeah. But if we do, I think its smooth sailing. I feel strongly about my reads.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Cake, that's the problem. It was so obvious that his claim was fake that it felt he has done it just to gain cred. I've tried to hint I was the cop to see if I could get shot. Someone who wants to fool mafia will do it in a soft way. That's not how you take the shot.
The way he did it made it obvious for mafia to know he wasn't the cop and if Shockey is townie, then rayn confused town with that.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Why are you trying to find some convoluted explanation for something that is obviously mafia sided play. You always lynch rayn in that situation. Always.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Why are you trying to find some convoluted explanation for something that is obviously mafia sided play. You always lynch rayn in that situation. Always.
Problem is he has done this before and anyone who has played with him should know this
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Cake, that's the problem. It was so obvious that his claim was fake that it felt he has done it just to gain cred. I've tried to hint I was the cop to see if I could get shot. Someone who wants to fool mafia will do it in a soft way. That's not how you take the shot.
The way he did it made it obvious for mafia to know he wasn't the cop and if Shockey is townie, then rayn confused town with that.
Not gonna lie, he shouldn't have done that.
Whatever, he did that and he was townie.It happens. I thought that he, as town, wouldn't be tunneled based on the grounds that I was lying. It's my fault too that I couldn't see he could just be tunneled town. My bad. Should've got away from the computer to cool my head.
Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I believe Shockey could be mafia too. At this point it could possibly be Shockey + ruXxar.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Why are you trying to find some convoluted explanation for something that is obviously mafia sided play. You always lynch rayn in that situation. Always.
Problem is he has done this before and anyone who has played with him should know this
But you do understand that I never scumread him because he did that, right?
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Why are you trying to find some convoluted explanation for something that is obviously mafia sided play. You always lynch rayn in that situation. Always.
Problem is he has done this before and anyone who has played with him should know this
But you do understand that I never scumread him because he did that, right?
Yeah, the whole opportunistic shit when you and Dadred were organizing but I think that was bad
also also rayn im annoyed you voted yourself and scumread me all off of N0 when you yourself said this game is heavily setup based and none of that has happend N0.
On September 30 2020 05:25 ruXxar wrote: Town hero right here.
Oh, hey scum! thanks for outing
After all those counter claim shenanigans you were going to let him live? That would award us dumbest town of the year if we didnt lynch him.
Have you ever considered there is like this SMALL change he was town? Rayn is known for putting that kind of shit like fake claiming for saving (even if that wasn't his real reason this time), hammering was like SO BAD
Well, that shit was clearly detrimental to town and obvious for mafia. I would expect that town!rayn would think of this.
I think it was very obvious he was trying to save him, like the claim itself was bad and like I said he is known to put that kind of stunts, he once claimed to be cop when I was the actual cop and never cc him thinking he was doing that to save me but in this case he did it second so it doesn't apply as a mafia move.
Why are you trying to find some convoluted explanation for something that is obviously mafia sided play. You always lynch rayn in that situation. Always.
Problem is he has done this before and anyone who has played with him should know this
But you do understand that I never scumread him because he did that, right?
Yeah, the whole opportunistic shit when you and Dadred were organizing but I think that was bad
Cake, if we need to work together, then you have to read what I write. I've stated multiple times that the main reason I thought rayn was mafia was because he refused to second guess his scum read on me while basing his read on the assumption I was lying.
I know I said shutup but this isn't related to reads and im annoyed thinking about it so im posting.
I believe we should have really no lynched here 100%. I understand rayns reasoning that it increases the doctors chance of making a save but then you have all of the following
-increase chance of mafia shooting doc -less chance of hitting mafia with the lynch purely from a statistical point of view -worst of all it makes the doctors save an entire guess as mafia doesn't care who they shoot right now they just need to get a kill whereas if we no lynch it is in mafias best interest to shoot a good town which the doc can try predict better
On September 30 2020 06:42 Monadel wrote: I know I said shutup but this isn't related to reads and im annoyed thinking about it so im posting.
I believe we should have really no lynched here 100%. I understand rayns reasoning that it increases the doctors chance of making a save but then you have all of the following
-increase chance of mafia shooting doc -less chance of hitting mafia with the lynch purely from a statistical point of view -worst of all it makes the doctors save an entire guess as mafia doesn't care who they shoot right now they just need to get a kill whereas if we no lynch it is in mafias best interest to shoot a good town which the doc can try predict better
Yeah, it wasn't good. I should've stepped away.
But at least we know that ruXxar is most likely mafia. Which raises our chance of winning from 8% to 11%.
On September 30 2020 06:42 Monadel wrote: I know I said shutup but this isn't related to reads and im annoyed thinking about it so im posting.
I believe we should have really no lynched here 100%. I understand rayns reasoning that it increases the doctors chance of making a save but then you have all of the following
-increase chance of mafia shooting doc -less chance of hitting mafia with the lynch purely from a statistical point of view -worst of all it makes the doctors save an entire guess as mafia doesn't care who they shoot right now they just need to get a kill whereas if we no lynch it is in mafias best interest to shoot a good town which the doc can try predict better
Nice of you to show up with that 20/20 hindsight after the fact. Dont get cocky now. I believe in miracles.
On September 30 2020 15:43 ruXxar wrote: Theres 2 mafias, not one. No sane doc would save copcake or monadel when they are so obviously mafia. Unless Im wrong on shockey. Which I’m not.
There's always at least one mafia voting rayn day1. Mafia should always hammer in that situation. Which means you're most likely mafia. There isn't a strong reason to scumread anyone else so that protect pool is alright.
I have my guess on who is the mafia team but I don't think it will be helpful now, it will only make things difficult. So, yeah, 11% chance.
On September 30 2020 15:43 ruXxar wrote: Theres 2 mafias, not one. No sane doc would save copcake or monadel when they are so obviously mafia. Unless Im wrong on shockey. Which I’m not.
There's always at least one mafia voting rayn day1. Mafia should always hammer in that situation. Which means you're most likely mafia. There isn't a strong reason to scumread anyone else so that protect pool is alright.
I have my guess on who is the mafia team but I don't think it will be helpful now, it will only make things difficult. So, yeah, 11% chance.
What you should be doing is finding the second mafia so the save pool goes from 4 to 3, increasing our chances of the doc saving a good target.
I feel so bad for rayn, I really didn't want to vote him out. I personally thought GB was more mafia than Rayn, but then Damdred thought Rayn was more mafia than GB, but in the end GB is getting what he wants. :{
I am going to say that Monadel is town, his "town needs to be silence" is true, the least we speak is better so mafia don't get any clues that might come up by accident.
I think the scum team is GB + Ruxxar.
Gb tends to be very good at catching scum and tone reading (remember last game), and is extremely political yet he NEVER gave Rayn a chance (Not after Dadred died), he considered that Rayn was "fake claiming" for a reason and that the fake claim was bad so he was mafia. He also considered that "everything was going smooth with dadred and town" but then rayn came and "polarized" the town, when it is the opposite, as a town you try to see all perspectives.
On September 30 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: What would you think of other players alignments if we both were townies?
Why on earth would i put myself into a situation where i need to go against what i actually think on someone? That is literally the dumbest question anyone can ever ask from anyone else in a mafia game -- where the other person thinks you're mafia.
So what do you want? Me to make up one scumread? Or what? rofl
I want you to consider you might be wrong? Isn't it possible? Rofl
You know what? Game won't move forward with either me or rayn in the way and I cba to wait until n1 to have more information. It's crystal clear rayn wants me to be mafia instead of working the game out.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
When rayn came and voted himself Ruxxar came immediately.
The votes were synchronized.
That or shockey is playing an excellent game but that would be another level of mind-blowing stuff.
On October 01 2020 04:00 CopCake wrote: Since it is almost the deadline here I go.
I am going to say that Monadel is town, his "town needs to be silence" is true, the least we speak is better so mafia don't get any clues that might come up by accident.
I think the scum team is GB + Ruxxar.
Gb tends to be very good at catching scum and tone reading (remember last game), and is extremely political yet he NEVER gave Rayn a chance (Not after Dadred died), he considered that Rayn was "fake claiming" for a reason and that the fake claim was bad so he was mafia. He also considered that "everything was going smooth with dadred and town" but then rayn came and "polarized" the town, when it is the opposite, as a town you try to see all perspectives.
On September 30 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: What would you think of other players alignments if we both were townies?
Why on earth would i put myself into a situation where i need to go against what i actually think on someone? That is literally the dumbest question anyone can ever ask from anyone else in a mafia game -- where the other person thinks you're mafia.
So what do you want? Me to make up one scumread? Or what? rofl
I want you to consider you might be wrong? Isn't it possible? Rofl
You know what? Game won't move forward with either me or rayn in the way and I cba to wait until n1 to have more information. It's crystal clear rayn wants me to be mafia instead of working the game out.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
When rayn came and voted himself Ruxxar came immediately.
The votes were synchronized.
That or shockey is playing an excellent game but that would be another level of mind-blowing stuff.
Lol do I have to quote every post where I've tried to reason with rayn? I've literally voted him because I was annoyed that he refused to analyze the game assuming I was town for a second.
Also I didn't say rayn was mafia because he fake claimed, I said he shouldn't be considered town for that because, as mafia, he could very well fake claim like he did.
I've said that his push on me disorganized town and that was ONE point on why I thought he was mafia. My main point was that he was too inquisitive and tunneled, throwing suspicions everywhere, while not actually interested in putting the pieces together as I would expect him as town. You can add to that every other specific point I layed in the game.
But basically, what happened here is that Damdy derped, rayn tunneled and GB omgusd. We've made the game very easy for mafia.
And Yea I wanted to save myself N1 but can't so I originally saved Monadel, but then switched to Cop. Now I'm upset because I did terrible. Idk this setup is rough. As you can see, getting a blue first night is like ez win for mafia.
EPT
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