EPTUnless someone else wants it. I assume I'm not allowed to hydra with Chezinu?
[N][M]Noir Mini Mafia - Ch. 5
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Unless someone else wants it. I assume I'm not allowed to hydra with Chezinu? | ||
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On August 09 2020 11:27 HoldenGolden wrote: Can I ask what you are talking about in the first line? To me it sounds like you're just now realizing that ShoCkeyy was calling himself confirmed town.Oh wow I realized he may actually be calling himself confirm townie. That's a lame move. Especially when we have a daredevil like Trfel over here who had the balls to claim mafia. I appreciate the honestly Trfel. Want to help me eliminate your teammate so you're set till lylo? Vote: ShoCkeyy (L-4) If that's the case: 1. Why did you only realize this now/what did you think he was saying before? and 2. Why does that prompt you to vote for him? | ||
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On August 09 2020 11:56 HoldenGolden wrote: Thanks, that makes sense. I see now.1) he said it in the same sentence that he was answering my question about the voting thread. Therefore, it came off as if he was speaking to me still. 2) Mostly to get the ball rolling; there's no specific AI reason yet. | ||
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On August 10 2020 01:44 Eywa- wrote: Can I ask how you went about finding HoldenGolden's previous games? I wasn't aware that there were any previous games to look at?I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads. I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size. The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games. I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today. I don't have many reads, unfortunately. I kinda like HoldenGolden though, he seems to be one of the few people who is active and poking around and trying to investigate things and get reads. Especially in an inactive game like this, that seems rather towny. That's about all I have to say currently. Feel free to poke me, I'll try and check in every so often. | ||
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On August 10 2020 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I don't particularly care that you are voting for me. I see no reason to care.This post says nothing and does not address the guy voting you (me). Please engage with me. Do you not have a few vague reads asides from the Holden one? I realize that it is still early and the game has not exactly fleshed out, but a few things have happened at least that you can be commenting on. At least FF gave some substance. I didn't really have any other reads worth mentioning, no. I'm not going to try to pretend to have something where I don't. However I really don't like Mr. Cheesecake's above post (quoted). It feels rather aggressive while aggression is completely unwarranted. First, he accuses me of saying nothing (first, this is false because it's a townread on HoldenGolden; and second, it's a very short post, I didn't pretend to say anything anyway). And second, he justifies his request for reads by adding "at least Fecalfeast gave some substance" at the end. Why does he feel the need to justify asking me to provide reads? It feels very accusatory, and really feels like he's trying to tell me why I'm mafia. That said, Mr. Cheesecake's post on ShoCkeyy is not completely terrible. I find ShoCkeyy hard to read, so I'll re-evaluate this in a moment. Honestly Mr. Cheesecake being active and doing things is probably reason enough not to lynch him, even if he irks me. On August 11 2020 01:08 Eywa- wrote: Why does the low activity in this game make you hesitant to lynch me or ShoCkeyy specifically?The activity in the game has been hard to read and has left me not wanting to lynch Shockey or trfel which I'm hearing a lot about. | ||
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Thanks Mr. Cheesecake for replying. Can I ask what you wanted to hear from me? I'm just not sure what you expected. | ||
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Town Lean LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + Mostly a gut read, but two more reasons. First, he's made the most posts in the thread so far, which (much) more often than not makes someone town, especially in a low-activity game like this. And second, his worry about the lack of activity in the game feels genuine. It's not a very strong read, but I'd bet on it if I had to. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler + I still feel a bit bugged by how he played earlier in the game, but since then he's been investigating things and more importantly, he's been pushing his reads. In a low-activity game like this, there is less incentive for mafia to push reads. Despite the aforementioned things that I don't like, the rest of his play feels towny and investigative. HoldenGolden + Show Spoiler + While LightningStrike has provided the most posts in this game, HoldenGolden has provided the most content in this game. He's been probing and poking everyone and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game. Null GTacc Vivax Mafia Lean Eywa- + Show Spoiler + His post on HoldenGolden, sharing his suspicions of him, that later vanished into thin air. It was his most explained and serious read, and seems to have taken a decent amount of effort to read a previous game and compare. And note that later, he even mentions who he wants to lynch but can't (GTacc). If he's still scumreading HoldenGolden, why wouldn't he be in this category? Or if something changed, why not say what changed? The only thing I can think of that caused this is in the time between these two linked posts, several people posted about either townreading HoldenGolden or not wanting to lynch HoldenGolden. It feels like once there were obstacles put in the way, Eywa- no longer wanted to lynch/cared about lynching HoldenGolden. Why would town be like this? If anything, town would push even harder for a lynch on his "naked mafia" read. Whereas mafia is much more inclined to drop it and look for a different, easier target. ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler + ShoCkeyy says he doesn't like it when people analyze and look at opening posts too deeply, and implied that he didn't like HoldenGolden looking into early game posts. But then he said he liked how Mr. Cheesecake looked into my opening post and didn't like my opening post. Inconsistent, but not the strongest. Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler + Honestly this is just due to feelings. But here: On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote: This post doesn't actually say much. He puts Eywa- townier than Mr. Cheesecake and Mr. Cheesecake townier than HoldenGolden, but only relative to each other. It's super non-committal and not very useful. Four times in this short post he says something to the effect of "I could be wrong," "I'm not sure," or "we'll have to wait and see." Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest eywa cheesecake holden I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while. Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there. vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot. Feels very disengaged from the thread. Instead of driving or pushing things, he's just saying what looks good and what looks bad. It doesn't feel like he cares to find mafia, just evaluate what things look like. Nothing insightful. He's not even posting videos or showing interest in the game. Fecalfeast as town is much better than this. I still need to figure out who I want to vote for most, but I'd definitely like to vote within these three. | ||
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On August 11 2020 04:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I disagree.I'm town 😎 Got any reads? | ||
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On August 11 2020 04:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: I know you mentioned it. Doesn't make it not suspicious Trfel obviously didn't read more into it because I actually called myself out on that very exact thing he's saying I'm mafia for. But I think currently I'm more suspicious of the other two anyway. Got any reads? | ||
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On August 10 2020 12:48 Fecalfeast wrote: This post feels super suspicious to me as well. Fecalfeast had just previously posted this: Ok so which inactive do we kill? I'm down with your plan for right now but you have to drive On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote: Where he admittedly has no scumreads. But even moreso, look at the player pool (excluding himself), to see who Fecalfeast would want to lynch here (remember, he's looking for an inactive):Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest eywa cheesecake holden I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while. Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there. vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot. Eywa- (likes him better than HoldenGolden) GTacc ShoCkeyy (the person he's talking to, obviously he wouldn't suggest himself) LightningStrike (says he's an active player, and can't read him) Mr. Cheesecake (likes him better than HoldenGolden) Vivax (liked his read, but says wait and see) HoldenGolden (active, but not overly scummy) Trfel (towny for some posts, meh otherwise) First of all, no one was completely inactive. Second, he has no reason to trust ShoCkeyy. Why would he go with ShoCkeyy here and be willing to follow his vote? Third, and most importantly, the only logical choice of vote here would be GTacc. No one was really inactive (except for GTacc), and Fecalfeast himself would have had misgivings about every other target, as mentioned in his list post. If Fecalfeast is town, he looked at a town full of people he didn't feel comfortable lynching, and told someone he had no read on that he'd vote for any of them. That makes no sense for town. I'll be voting for Fecalfeast and I strongly suggest you consider doing the same. ##vote: Fecalfeast | ||
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Why do you disagree with me? | ||
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On August 11 2020 08:16 Fecalfeast wrote: ....He may have perfect information because I'm town and haven't done much since yesterday to show it But you were townreading Eywa-? | ||
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On August 11 2020 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote: No worries, thanks, makes sense. Why do you say you're low hanging fruit early on though? I don't recall this being the case, I remember you having a decent town game when you decided to play. In all stages of the game.Low hanging fruit sorry I've been playing turbos on mafia universe I'll take a closer look at your reads in a bit. | ||
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