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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 09:12 GMT
#321
+ Show Spoiler +

This song is so stuck in my head right now all i can do is listen to it on repeat.
RIP Meatloaf <3
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 10:40 GMT
#322
On July 08 2020 02:34 Tictock wrote:
What up all.

My plan is to lynch everyone who got forced into this game. So coin toss between Cake and Slam I think.

That'll teach em


It was a good idea that you asked me to read your filter. If this is what you posted on your entrance it means you read pre game/invitation since me and slam got forced, therefore you saw the playerlist, therefore I find it hard to believe you just “forgot” he was there.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 10:42 GMT
#323
On July 08 2020 18:48 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2020 18:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
cos like, one fake vote without voting in the vote thread is a thing, but two just looks like feigning interest in the thread, and his answer to your question looked like he was just thinking up something random to write instead of trying to continue the conversation in an interesting way that might end up being useful.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2020 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
I put VE's introduction in the 'let's see how that plays out over day 1' category


Interesting. I had like the exact opposite reaction as you.

Sho's stuff felt pretty NAI as is and I've been interested to see how it progressed. VE on the other hand calls everyone town and kinda used my post to put a vote on Slam.

It's also curious that you feel Sho could be scum but want to give a "wait and see" to VE's invented reasoning on how Sho could be town.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2020 04:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote rayn



Show nested quote +
On July 08 2020 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
RNG vote is RNG, interest in game is townie to me.

That's about it, literally long version.


Like why does VE assume that was an RNG vote? and how is it in any way showing interest in the game?


Slam is town, VE is sus
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 10:45 GMT
#324
On July 08 2020 19:31 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2020 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:14 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:07 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:48 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
cos like, one fake vote without voting in the vote thread is a thing, but two just looks like feigning interest in the thread, and his answer to your question looked like he was just thinking up something random to write instead of trying to continue the conversation in an interesting way that might end up being useful.

On July 08 2020 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
I put VE's introduction in the 'let's see how that plays out over day 1' category


Interesting. I had like the exact opposite reaction as you.

Sho's stuff felt pretty NAI as is and I've been interested to see how it progressed. VE on the other hand calls everyone town and kinda used my post to put a vote on Slam.

It's also curious that you feel Sho could be scum but want to give a "wait and see" to VE's invented reasoning on how Sho could be town.

On July 08 2020 04:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote rayn



On July 08 2020 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
RNG vote is RNG, interest in game is townie to me.

That's about it, literally long version.


Like why does VE assume that was an RNG vote? and how is it in any way showing interest in the game?


So why aren't you voting VE?


Meh, voting in the first 12 hours with barely half the game having posted...

Didn't even want to post my initial thoughts about his posts till more ppl were active just to see how others approached things.


Like everyone's saying VE is super suspicious but he's got no votes on him and no pressure on him, everyone just wants me to do it for them. Sorry I'm doing my own thing.



I don't think thats the case, and I think I'm the only one who actually said VE is sus.

The only thing I see rayn pushing is the fact that you don't have an issue with the one person who called your scum suspect town/


Oh yeah you're right. I assumed rayn was inferring that VE is scummy but he didn't at all.
Either way if you want pressure on VE you're welcome to go for it but i'm doing my thing.

frankly idc if rayn wants to come after me for not doing what he thinks my logic says i should do. rayn is good at reading me so he'll get to where he needs to be eventually as the day goes on.


Nah, like a certain detective I like to have a bigger picture of the game before I throw down a vote.

Though I suppose Trfel is the only one to not post yet and Sho and Slam will probably continue to be Null reads for me for awhile.... Yea I could do the thing.

##Vote: VisceraEyes


Tfrl is the only one NOT posting, if he knew this he checked the whole player base and his next post is OH NOOOOOO I forgot Chezinu was in the game. Really?
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 10:46 GMT
#325
On July 08 2020 19:57 Tictock wrote:
Oh shit, I totally forgot Chez was in the game.

He's posted too.

I think that falls under the Inverse Chez Rule so you are good there VE.


This, check his filter is not big or anything and you can see how it fluctates from joke to sus ve, shade sho, call out inactivity of tfrl and forgeting chez.

Doesnt make sense in my world as a town.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 11:04 GMT
#326
On July 09 2020 19:45 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2020 19:31 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:14 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:07 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:48 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
cos like, one fake vote without voting in the vote thread is a thing, but two just looks like feigning interest in the thread, and his answer to your question looked like he was just thinking up something random to write instead of trying to continue the conversation in an interesting way that might end up being useful.

On July 08 2020 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
I put VE's introduction in the 'let's see how that plays out over day 1' category


Interesting. I had like the exact opposite reaction as you.

Sho's stuff felt pretty NAI as is and I've been interested to see how it progressed. VE on the other hand calls everyone town and kinda used my post to put a vote on Slam.

It's also curious that you feel Sho could be scum but want to give a "wait and see" to VE's invented reasoning on how Sho could be town.

On July 08 2020 04:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote rayn



On July 08 2020 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
RNG vote is RNG, interest in game is townie to me.

That's about it, literally long version.


Like why does VE assume that was an RNG vote? and how is it in any way showing interest in the game?


So why aren't you voting VE?


Meh, voting in the first 12 hours with barely half the game having posted...

Didn't even want to post my initial thoughts about his posts till more ppl were active just to see how others approached things.


Like everyone's saying VE is super suspicious but he's got no votes on him and no pressure on him, everyone just wants me to do it for them. Sorry I'm doing my own thing.



I don't think thats the case, and I think I'm the only one who actually said VE is sus.

The only thing I see rayn pushing is the fact that you don't have an issue with the one person who called your scum suspect town/


Oh yeah you're right. I assumed rayn was inferring that VE is scummy but he didn't at all.
Either way if you want pressure on VE you're welcome to go for it but i'm doing my thing.

frankly idc if rayn wants to come after me for not doing what he thinks my logic says i should do. rayn is good at reading me so he'll get to where he needs to be eventually as the day goes on.


Nah, like a certain detective I like to have a bigger picture of the game before I throw down a vote.

Though I suppose Trfel is the only one to not post yet and Sho and Slam will probably continue to be Null reads for me for awhile.... Yea I could do the thing.

##Vote: VisceraEyes


Tfrl is the only one NOT posting, if he knew this he checked the whole player base and his next post is OH NOOOOOO I forgot Chezinu was in the game. Really?

I see it now, yeah.
How/why does that make him mafia though? What's the aim of him doing this?
RIP Meatloaf <3
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 11:23 GMT
#327
On July 09 2020 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 19:45 CopCake wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:31 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:14 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 19:07 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:48 Tictock wrote:
On July 08 2020 18:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
cos like, one fake vote without voting in the vote thread is a thing, but two just looks like feigning interest in the thread, and his answer to your question looked like he was just thinking up something random to write instead of trying to continue the conversation in an interesting way that might end up being useful.

On July 08 2020 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
I put VE's introduction in the 'let's see how that plays out over day 1' category


Interesting. I had like the exact opposite reaction as you.

Sho's stuff felt pretty NAI as is and I've been interested to see how it progressed. VE on the other hand calls everyone town and kinda used my post to put a vote on Slam.

It's also curious that you feel Sho could be scum but want to give a "wait and see" to VE's invented reasoning on how Sho could be town.

On July 08 2020 04:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote rayn



On July 08 2020 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
RNG vote is RNG, interest in game is townie to me.

That's about it, literally long version.


Like why does VE assume that was an RNG vote? and how is it in any way showing interest in the game?


So why aren't you voting VE?


Meh, voting in the first 12 hours with barely half the game having posted...

Didn't even want to post my initial thoughts about his posts till more ppl were active just to see how others approached things.


Like everyone's saying VE is super suspicious but he's got no votes on him and no pressure on him, everyone just wants me to do it for them. Sorry I'm doing my own thing.



I don't think thats the case, and I think I'm the only one who actually said VE is sus.

The only thing I see rayn pushing is the fact that you don't have an issue with the one person who called your scum suspect town/


Oh yeah you're right. I assumed rayn was inferring that VE is scummy but he didn't at all.
Either way if you want pressure on VE you're welcome to go for it but i'm doing my thing.

frankly idc if rayn wants to come after me for not doing what he thinks my logic says i should do. rayn is good at reading me so he'll get to where he needs to be eventually as the day goes on.


Nah, like a certain detective I like to have a bigger picture of the game before I throw down a vote.

Though I suppose Trfel is the only one to not post yet and Sho and Slam will probably continue to be Null reads for me for awhile.... Yea I could do the thing.

##Vote: VisceraEyes


Tfrl is the only one NOT posting, if he knew this he checked the whole player base and his next post is OH NOOOOOO I forgot Chezinu was in the game. Really?

I see it now, yeah.
How/why does that make him mafia though? What's the aim of him doing this?


Being unaware/not paying much attention is not the problem.

The problem is pretending to forget things when your actions in the game implies another thing.

And the not elaborated shade a sho, his forced vote on VE, etc.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 11:35 GMT
#328
Its even weirder because ticktock specifically mentioned chez being in before the game started too.

On July 03 2020 00:42 Tictock wrote:
I think Chez is /in as well.

Also Alakaslam should be in the game just so he can occasionally post and be upset about not really having the time to play.

This way we only need to strong arm one more person into the game.

RIP Meatloaf <3
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 11:46 GMT
#329
On July 09 2020 20:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its even weirder because ticktock specifically mentioned chez being in before the game started too.

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 00:42 Tictock wrote:
I think Chez is /in as well.

Also Alakaslam should be in the game just so he can occasionally post and be upset about not really having the time to play.

This way we only need to strong arm one more person into the game.



I avoided to use “pregame” posts but yes

I think someone finally sees what I do.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 11:57 GMT
#330
On July 09 2020 20:46 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 20:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its even weirder because ticktock specifically mentioned chez being in before the game started too.

On July 03 2020 00:42 Tictock wrote:
I think Chez is /in as well.

Also Alakaslam should be in the game just so he can occasionally post and be upset about not really having the time to play.

This way we only need to strong arm one more person into the game.



I avoided to use “pregame” posts but yes

I think someone finally sees what I do.


Its more that I see where you're coming from. I just can't connect it specifically to him being mafia. Its weird though for sure.

I'm going to find quotes for my explanation of my shockeyy read.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 12:11 GMT
#331
Shockeyy

This is tinfoily so bare with me.

So shockeyy is someone i've been learning to read over the last few games. He has a way of playing that you can identify by how he is finding scum. He looks at wagons and tries to deduce the scum team from there. I first noticed it in oil futures mafia:

On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet

There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one.

On May 01 2020 03:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet

Also given that both Koshi and Slam are leading the wagons makes me even sicker. Also why would Slam "claim" blue before a night phase.... even if it is jokingly around.


Most of his reads for the rest of the game revolved around this analysis.

Then in Sushi mafia:

On June 07 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote:
I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry

But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia.

Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game.

So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia?

Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified.

The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me.

I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.

So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you.


So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time.

D1 Vote:
CopCake (4): Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Trfel, Jockmcplop
Vivax (3): raynpelikoneet, CopCake, TicTock
Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka

So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch.

Now D2 Vote:
Trfel (3): TicTock, Jeekaka, Zey
Zey (2): Vivax, Trfel
Vivax (1): Raynpelikoneet

I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel.

It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.


In both of these examples you can see clearly what the thought process is and why he is coming to the conclusions that he is coming to. Even though people disagreed, the logic is there in both exmaples.

So I townread shockeyy and told everyone why:
On June 04 2020 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 04:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary.

On June 04 2020 03:05 CopCake wrote:
## Vote: Vivax



I think this is town shockeyy guys.



Why?
Because he's looking at the vote count and coming up with ideas about the scum team, which is exactly what he was doing near the end of day 1 as town in the oil futures game.


And then in this game we have the following:
On July 09 2020 07:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My current thoughts are:

Alakaslam (1): VisceraEyes
Shockeyy (1): Jockmcplop
VisceraEyes (1): Tictock
Tictock (1): Copcake
jockmcplop (1): Alakaslam

One of these fuckers are mafia 100%.

I meant the ones voting.


To me this clearly looks like a bad imitation of his townplay. There's no thought process here except 'these people voted therefore one of them is scum'.
Add to that that when he posted this i was the only person seriously sussing him and it was the last game we played when i told everyone that this kind of post was why i was townreading him.

If the rest of his play was related to this post or if the post contained any of the kind of analysis he displayed in his previous games I could be convinced that this is town shockeyy, but no, this is just a poor imitation.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 12:35 GMT
#332
The specifics of this vote on trfel are hella confusing still though.

I don't understand why slam is voting for trfel instead of me, i already mentioned that, but VisceraEyes makes even less sense given that two posts before his vote he said:
On July 09 2020 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also people who feel the need to inform they forgot about the game start after this confirmation thing started to happen tend to be mafia.

This is literally the only "case" I've seen you make on Trfel. Can you explain to me why this makes anyone scummy?


And other than trfel 'soft shitting on' a read, he doesn't give any reason at all for his vote switch, after previously saying he was happy with his vote on slam.

I don't really understand where any of this is going.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 12:38 GMT
#333
I think between slam and shockeyy though my case on shockeyy is much better so given that neither of them are here to talk about it and deadline is coming up:

##unvote
##vote: Shockeyy
RIP Meatloaf <3
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 09 2020 13:16 GMT
#334
Vote Count:


Trfel (4): VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Chezinu, Raynpelikoneet

Tictock (1): Copcake
CopCake (1): Tictock
Shockeyy (1): Jockmcplop

VisceraEyes (0): Tictock
Jockmcplop (0): Alakaslam
Shockeyy (0): Jockmcplop
Alakaslam (0): VisceraEyes, Jockmcplop



Not Voting (4): Shockeyy, Trfel

Trfel is currently set to be lynched.

Votes are not counted unless posted in the Voting Thread!
Voting is mandatory!



Plurality Lynch: The person with the most votes gets lynched. in the event of a tie, the player that first received enough votes will be lynched.
until deadline.
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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 13:35 GMT
#335
Interesting theory, I am checking his last games as mafia. As far as I remember at least he tends to be inactive in a no cooperative way when he comes back as mafia.

He was mafia in GB’s game and in one town ate each other. Gonna check as many games as I can.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 13:45 GMT
#336
Emergency quarantine.

He was town and didnt touch the vote count.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?user=ShoCkeyy&page=6

Happened late march/first days of april
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
July 09 2020 13:47 GMT
#337
On July 09 2020 22:45 CopCake wrote:
Emergency quarantine.

He was town and didnt touch the vote count.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?user=ShoCkeyy&page=6

Happened late march/first days of april


That maybe true but even in shockeyy's words from this very game:
On July 09 2020 05:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 09 2020 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk if you should know that that does not make Slam mafia.

I'll give you this for free: I'm using little to no meta this game. I'm assuming most of it is trash because I've played so little.


Meta's change so much in every game. I hardly ever try to use meta. I'm a vote counter myself.


I know this read i'm making is a little self centred, but i feel like he's directing me to townread him based on what i said in previous games.
RIP Meatloaf <3
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 13:52 GMT
#338
On July 09 2020 22:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On July 09 2020 22:45 CopCake wrote:
Emergency quarantine.

He was town and didnt touch the vote count.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/557789-emergency-quarantine-mafia?user=ShoCkeyy&page=6

Happened late march/first days of april


That maybe true but even in shockeyy's words from this very game:
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On July 09 2020 05:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On July 09 2020 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 09 2020 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk if you should know that that does not make Slam mafia.

I'll give you this for free: I'm using little to no meta this game. I'm assuming most of it is trash because I've played so little.


Meta's change so much in every game. I hardly ever try to use meta. I'm a vote counter myself.


I know this read i'm making is a little self centred, but i feel like he's directing me to townread him based on what i said in previous games.


👀 🤔

But using the vote thing be his meta and using you to get you, one person that has been sus? What does he win with it? I am telling you because as far as I know I was one of the few if not the only one who called you town in this game.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 13:53 GMT
#339
Thinking about who mafia shockey would try to pocket

Cake?
Jock?
Chezinu?

But if jock is being questioned, why jock?
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
July 09 2020 14:02 GMT
#340
On July 09 2020 02:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I don't have a circle yet, I am my own circle, and I don't trust anybody to enter my circle just yet. However, I do have a few maybes. Rayn, TT, and yourself seem town this game although rayn and TT were mafia last game >:O ##vote rayn

Jock leans more scum to me and it's not because he voted for me straight up. . . maybe a little, but it's really more about how he "tried" to pressure me while I was gone from posting for the day.


It doesnt make sense for him to pocket you with the whole vote thing and call you mafia imo.
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