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Zey
Profile Joined May 2020
Finland64 Posts
June 03 2020 19:37 GMT
#321
Cake: why Vivax and not Trfel?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 19:45 GMT
#322
On June 04 2020 02:27 Zey wrote:

I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?

Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.

After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.

For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).

So yeah that's pretty much it.
table for two on a tv tray
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9832 Posts
June 03 2020 19:45 GMT
#323
On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary.

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 03:05 CopCake wrote:
## Vote: Vivax



I think this is town shockeyy guys.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9832 Posts
June 03 2020 19:47 GMT
#324
On June 04 2020 04:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary.

On June 04 2020 03:05 CopCake wrote:
## Vote: Vivax



I think this is town shockeyy guys.



Why?
Because he's looking at the vote count and coming up with ideas about the scum team, which is exactly what he was doing near the end of day 1 as town in the oil futures game.
RIP Meatloaf <3
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 19:47 GMT
#325
Trfel could essily be mafia too. I understand the case(s) on shockeyy i just am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, and because i have actual scumreads i am not willing to vote for him. I dont really have reasons to suspect anyone else.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9832 Posts
June 03 2020 19:48 GMT
#326
On June 04 2020 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel could essily be mafia too. I understand the case(s) on shockeyy i just am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, and because i have actual scumreads i am not willing to vote for him. I dont really have reasons to suspect anyone else.


The only thing I'm thinking with trfel is that maybe he's just disengaged a bit since he put so much effort in last time and was really annoyed at getting mislynched.
RIP Meatloaf <3
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 19:49 GMT
#327
I dont care if he is disengaged or lazy or whatever. I just think he let go of the cake scumread for a reason he shouldnt as town.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9832 Posts
June 03 2020 19:55 GMT
#328
I still like the vivax lynch. Copcake said she was deciding whether vivax would play like this as scum and i really want to know what she thinks.
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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 03 2020 20:00 GMT
#329
I honestly live in a world in which Vivax decided to buddy rayn and since after him I was rayn's person of interest aka the one he was asking questions decided that I would be an easy misslynch and tried to find "reasons" to find me mafia (I know I am an easy misslynch, it is a fact just like shockey is also).

I think the easiest way to explain it is with this post

On June 03 2020 23:25 Vivax wrote:
Well I think his read on Shock in the last two posts is for bs reasons and I don't see why you go and ask him for reads afterwards but townread him anyway and he just gave a read and instead of commenting on that read you prefer to ask Ticktock a generic question.

That part of the thread feels fake to me.


I didn't town read TT out of no where and I asked for his reads before I came up that he was town. Only problem it is that I said all that in the same post but I tend to multi quote while I am reading the thread, helps to show how I make my decisions.

I think he is making the narrative that me and TT in our imaginary QT decided to go after shockey and elaborated this "let's frame him" plan.

I also consider Vivax not to be the kind of person that would just "create" a story which in this case he is doing.


CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 03 2020 20:09 GMT
#330
#214 is the post in case you are interested.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/559398-sushi-mafia?page=11#214

I said ticktock's point of view is interesting for the "day 1 is active"
and asked him for reads

Then I read his others posts and agreed that shockey was scummy.

I don't see anything wrong with this to be fair.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9832 Posts
June 03 2020 20:09 GMT
#331
On June 04 2020 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 02:27 Zey wrote:

I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?

Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.

After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.

For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).

So yeah that's pretty much it.


Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?

That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.
RIP Meatloaf <3
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 03 2020 20:11 GMT
#332
Like there are other things Vivax could have called me out like when I said I am not trying to pocket jekaka but he didn't, he just went with the narrative that I am mafia because I am not calling him mafia right away and I am just "wary".

I also don't get why it bugs him I read Zey as "???"
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 03 2020 20:14 GMT
#333
Idk, I am ok with a Tfrl lynch too, the only problem is that I wish he was here so I could counter him and discuss.

I hate when I lynch an inactive because if he ends to be town...

Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9832 Posts
June 03 2020 20:17 GMT
#334
Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read.

Feels bad.

I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong.
RIP Meatloaf <3
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 03 2020 20:18 GMT
#335
Like, reading tfrl's filter it looks awful how he says he is going to sleep, then again that he is going to sleep and promises reads but never happen.

He also says that I didn't post that I felt "sincere" Jock's post but it is implied.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 03 2020 20:18 GMT
#336
On June 04 2020 05:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read.

Feels bad.

I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong.


Nah, you can town read someone and that person be wrong. Nothing bad about it since you are studying Shockey's feelings. :p
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 03 2020 20:19 GMT
#337
I might actually change to Tfrl to be fair.

jeekaka
Profile Joined May 2020
Finland111 Posts
June 03 2020 20:21 GMT
#338
On June 04 2020 05:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read.

Feels bad.

I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong.


Well maybe also Vivax and Trfel aren't lol. But I know the feeling.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 03 2020 20:22 GMT
#339
On June 04 2020 05:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 04 2020 02:27 Zey wrote:

I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?

Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.

After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.

For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).

So yeah that's pretty much it.


Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?

That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.

I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again.
table for two on a tv tray
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9832 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-03 20:23:57
June 03 2020 20:23 GMT
#340
On June 04 2020 05:18 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 05:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read.

Feels bad.

I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong.


Nah, you can town read someone and that person be wrong. Nothing bad about it since you are studying Shockey's feelings. :p


Its more that I feel like maybe town has been herded to the two easy options.
I'm just having doubts.
I think this is a time to listen to my brain and not my feelings though. Vivax lynch is good, and like rayn says i'm talking myself out of it, probably because there's not a lot of new information in the thread.
On June 04 2020 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 05:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 04 2020 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 04 2020 02:27 Zey wrote:

I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum?

Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read.

After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game.

For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something).

So yeah that's pretty much it.


Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it?

That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so.

I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again.


You're probably right tbh.
RIP Meatloaf <3
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