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On May 06 2020 14:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 14:13 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 14:06 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:21 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:17 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:15 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:01 Trfel wrote:
[quote]They're not, but I'm not sure (1) why it matters and (2) what makes you say that? Your reads resides in jock being mafia, then I'm mafia for that, then whoever I read as scum is town. I strongly believe that Jockmcplop is mafia. If you re-evaluate Jockmcplop, I will re-evaluate you. Deal? Alright. I believe Jock could be mafia but I don't want to vote him today. Your turn. Can I ask why? Because although I think my point about him townreading me instead on jumping right away to kill me isn't valid anymore, I still believe his posts sounds townish enough so I wouldn't risk killing him today. Well, I reread your filter. Admittedly fairly quickly, but I did. I'm sorry, it's hard to ignore associations. I couldn't help but notice how the reason for your townread on Jockmcplop changed so much. First you said it's because he was making good posts, then you said it was because of how he townread you, then you called him top town and disagreed with my case on him, then you said it was just because of how he townread you. And a few times you said he was town because mafia wouldn't afk and not vote, which is just false when it comes to medical emergencies. It doesn't feel like you have multiple reasons to townread Jockmcplop, it sounds like you are forcing a townread and are choosing an arbitrary reason each time. Outside of that, I don't notice a ton wrong in your filter except how you were wrong on Day 2 with the ShoCkeyy push. You were all excited to lynch raynpelikoneet but then you hard pushed ShoCkeyy most of the day which resulted in his lynch. I wish I had more reasons to call you mafia, so I could convince others  It just reads to me like you're mafia. I guess it's just a gut read. Maybe I shouldn't use gut reads in a 77-page game in MYLO with plenty of information but as logical as I am, feelings dominate my decisions. I even forgot that AFK thing lol. I find hard to believe mafia would risk getting modkilled by not dropping a vote. But you've got a point. You realize that some of the things you're saying are the same thing, but just worded differently, right? I've said I like how his perspective regarding the game is genuine. And why pushing Shockey instead of rayn is bad? He posted a bad WIFOM post that even him didn't believe in. The only reason you have to call me mafia with jock is associative. Like I said, my reasons aren't great. It's a gut read, based on the feels. Felt like you pushed ShoCkeyy to secure an easy mislynch instead of raynpelikoneet, who wasn't likely to be lynched. Leaving your mafia buddies in greater risk. And we can see what happens after Jockmcplop flips. Okay, it seems there's nothing I can do to convince you I'm town. After jock flips the game ends, that's what happens. I thought you just said that Jockmcplop could be mafia?
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On May 06 2020 14:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I think GB comes off as quite townie for day 3. I like that he's keeping things interesting and I don't think his reasoning for calling out Vivax is bad. It kind of feels like mafia are just waiting out the final day.
If we aren't voting Jock I'd vote Koshi over Vivax though. Slam also claimed cop at the end of day 1 when he had 2 votes and was being hard pushed by Rayn the night before Rayn died.
This would be my new list atm.
Trfel
GB
Vivax
Chezinu?
Jock
Slam
Koshi
Wait Chezinu isn't confirmed town to you? I probably should bank on 2 blues for a setup that's short one townie and move up Chez.
I didn't understand what you mean.
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On May 06 2020 14:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 14:53 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 14:13 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 14:06 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:21 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:17 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:15 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:
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Your reads resides in jock being mafia, then I'm mafia for that, then whoever I read as scum is town. I strongly believe that Jockmcplop is mafia. If you re-evaluate Jockmcplop, I will re-evaluate you. Deal? Alright. I believe Jock could be mafia but I don't want to vote him today. Your turn. Can I ask why? Because although I think my point about him townreading me instead on jumping right away to kill me isn't valid anymore, I still believe his posts sounds townish enough so I wouldn't risk killing him today. Well, I reread your filter. Admittedly fairly quickly, but I did. I'm sorry, it's hard to ignore associations. I couldn't help but notice how the reason for your townread on Jockmcplop changed so much. First you said it's because he was making good posts, then you said it was because of how he townread you, then you called him top town and disagreed with my case on him, then you said it was just because of how he townread you. And a few times you said he was town because mafia wouldn't afk and not vote, which is just false when it comes to medical emergencies. It doesn't feel like you have multiple reasons to townread Jockmcplop, it sounds like you are forcing a townread and are choosing an arbitrary reason each time. Outside of that, I don't notice a ton wrong in your filter except how you were wrong on Day 2 with the ShoCkeyy push. You were all excited to lynch raynpelikoneet but then you hard pushed ShoCkeyy most of the day which resulted in his lynch. I wish I had more reasons to call you mafia, so I could convince others It just reads to me like you're mafia. I guess it's just a gut read. Maybe I shouldn't use gut reads in a 77-page game in MYLO with plenty of information but as logical as I am, feelings dominate my decisions. I even forgot that AFK thing lol. I find hard to believe mafia would risk getting modkilled by not dropping a vote. But you've got a point. You realize that some of the things you're saying are the same thing, but just worded differently, right? I've said I like how his perspective regarding the game is genuine. And why pushing Shockey instead of rayn is bad? He posted a bad WIFOM post that even him didn't believe in. The only reason you have to call me mafia with jock is associative. Like I said, my reasons aren't great. It's a gut read, based on the feels. Felt like you pushed ShoCkeyy to secure an easy mislynch instead of raynpelikoneet, who wasn't likely to be lynched. Leaving your mafia buddies in greater risk. And we can see what happens after Jockmcplop flips. Okay, it seems there's nothing I can do to convince you I'm town. After jock flips the game ends, that's what happens. I thought you just said that Jockmcplop could be mafia?
Technically, he can.
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On May 06 2020 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 13:15 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:01 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop? I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!). Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this. As it is now, the lynch comes down to a race. Grackaroni said he won't ever lynch Vivax, Jockmcplop will definitely vote to save himself. I'd rather seal the lynch of Jockmcplop and worry about the rest later.In the end it's your decision, but if you've made up your mind I'd appreciate it if you let me know is all. Otherwise I'm highly confident that Jockmcplop is mafia and I believe he should be the lynch today. This proves all your reads are basically associative. They're not, but I'm not sure (1) why it matters and (2) what makes you say that? Your reads resides in jock being mafia, then I'm mafia for that, then whoever I read as scum is town. I strongly believe that Jockmcplop is mafia. If you re-evaluate Jockmcplop, I will re-evaluate you. Deal? Alright. I believe Jock could be mafia but I don't want to vote him today. Your turn. To me, this implies a decent possibility that Jockmcplop is mafia. Like, it's realistic. But now you don't seem to think so anymore. What changed?
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On May 06 2020 15:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:15 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:01 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop? I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!). Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this. As it is now, the lynch comes down to a race. Grackaroni said he won't ever lynch Vivax, Jockmcplop will definitely vote to save himself. I'd rather seal the lynch of Jockmcplop and worry about the rest later.In the end it's your decision, but if you've made up your mind I'd appreciate it if you let me know is all. Otherwise I'm highly confident that Jockmcplop is mafia and I believe he should be the lynch today. This proves all your reads are basically associative. They're not, but I'm not sure (1) why it matters and (2) what makes you say that? Your reads resides in jock being mafia, then I'm mafia for that, then whoever I read as scum is town. I strongly believe that Jockmcplop is mafia. If you re-evaluate Jockmcplop, I will re-evaluate you. Deal? Alright. I believe Jock could be mafia but I don't want to vote him today. Your turn. To me, this implies a decent possibility that Jockmcplop is mafia. Like, it's realistic. But now you don't seem to think so anymore. What changed?
We were working under assumptions here. I'd reevaluate jock and you'd reevaluate me. There's that.
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On May 06 2020 12:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 12:04 Chezinu wrote:
ok, confession time...
Guys, I did not role check Grack. I just said he was town with a question mark because he acknowledge my role Day 1 and the mafia didn't kill me. Nobody expected that check was true, Chez. You're doctor or aren't you? Also, who did you protect day1?
@Chez
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Btw I'm gonna sleep, 3 AM again
See you tomorrow
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On May 06 2020 15:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 15:00 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:17 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:15 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 13:01 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:On May 06 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:On May 06 2020 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still here Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop? I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!). Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this. As it is now, the lynch comes down to a race. Grackaroni said he won't ever lynch Vivax, Jockmcplop will definitely vote to save himself. I'd rather seal the lynch of Jockmcplop and worry about the rest later.In the end it's your decision, but if you've made up your mind I'd appreciate it if you let me know is all. Otherwise I'm highly confident that Jockmcplop is mafia and I believe he should be the lynch today. This proves all your reads are basically associative. They're not, but I'm not sure (1) why it matters and (2) what makes you say that? Your reads resides in jock being mafia, then I'm mafia for that, then whoever I read as scum is town. I strongly believe that Jockmcplop is mafia. If you re-evaluate Jockmcplop, I will re-evaluate you. Deal? Alright. I believe Jock could be mafia but I don't want to vote him today. Your turn. To me, this implies a decent possibility that Jockmcplop is mafia. Like, it's realistic. But now you don't seem to think so anymore. What changed? We were working under assumptions here. I'd reevaluate jock and you'd reevaluate me. There's that. Fair enough. I still think that's a slight slip from you but I guess it's up to the others to decide.
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Okay, get some rest.
Sorry for the tunnel, I guess after I lost confidence in my ShoCkeyy read and was right I feel like I should be more confident in my reads. Not like there is much left to lose, anyway.
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On May 06 2020 13:58 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote: Jockmcplop
Then we slam Koshi!
If we lose, we blame rayn
There is no 'then'
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On May 06 2020 15:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 13:58 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote: Jockmcplop
Then we slam Koshi!
If we lose, we blame rayn There is no 'then' Out of all of the people you could quote and say this to, why do you choose your biggest scumread? Shouldn't he already know this? :/
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New reads:
trfel vivax chez
or
trfel vivax koshi
trfel's done a fantastic job of convincing everyone to go with his scumread and ignore what people are doing in the thread (koshi, vivax).
How? Just flood the thread with 'lynch jock' at the exact moment that people start thinking about why koshi and vivax put their votes where they did! Look at the timing, look at how dismissive he is of vivax and koshi's bad voting. I'm putting those two together here even though vivax's vote was worse imo.
Look how he takes advantage of rayn's death to immediately vote me on day 3. Why? Because its the last vote he needs to place, he's excited about the win. Why would he be excited? Because killing rayn and then me is the plan to win and at that point its going off without a hitch. It still is.
Does trfel seem even remotely nervous that town is following him into what could be the end of the game for town (from town trfel's perspective)? No. All he wants is to get rid of me, and he isn't thinking about anything else.
It looks like he's tunnelling (as he's very happy to point out) but its not tunnelling its distraction.
How can't you see that this is all soooooooo mafia?
also
I can actually see koshi being town here, which is interesting given i've scumread him all game and his vote was even scummier than anything else he's done, but he isn't here trying to push an agenda like trfel is, and he doesn't seem bothered about getting the mislynch (or the game at all).
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On May 06 2020 15:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2020 15:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 06 2020 13:58 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote: Jockmcplop
Then we slam Koshi!
If we lose, we blame rayn There is no 'then' Out of all of the people you could quote and say this to, why do you choose your biggest scumread? Shouldn't he already know this? :/
I have new reads because of the new information in the thread (strange, i know)
Also I can quote anyone i want. You're trying too hard 
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Trfel why aren't you more concerned with vivax or koshi's votes?
If you're so sure that i'm scum wouldn't it bother you that people are putting their votes on me for bad reasons? Doesn't that implicate those people in a bussing situation?
Nah. You don't care. Tomorrow doesn't even matter at this point, right?
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so yeah this is the lynch
##unvote
##vote: trfel
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i think its just trfel vivax koshi
trfel vivax chez makes no sense thinking about it.
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On May 06 2020 16:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
Trfel why aren't you more concerned with vivax or koshi's votes?
If you're so sure that i'm scum wouldn't it bother you that people are putting their votes on me for bad reasons? Doesn't that implicate those people in a bussing situation?
Nah. You don't care. Tomorrow doesn't even matter at this point, right? I am pretty confident you are mafia, yes. I'm also pretty confident (independently) that Koshi and Vivax are town. Combined, I see nothing wrong with their votes.
It makes sense for Vivax to feel discouraged and be willing to go for a slight reach in MYLO. He probably didn't want to fight with me over the lynch target too, haha. Koshi looks a bit worse for me, but I can still see it from a demotivated town perspective.
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Morning, game took another turn for the weird I see.
Gubby behaved really hyperbole, the way he pointed out I wanted to lynch Jock first as if it was some slam dunk reason for me to be mafia was weird. I don't quite get his plan here. He thinks Jock is town? How does screaming at me and Koshi for something help someone else get lynched? He still isn't getting his lynch, but doesn't seem to feel uncomfortable with that.
Slam just attached to that reasoning like a lamprey. Says you should always pick safe lynches but doesn't even weigh in about the merits of lynching Chez here.
Doesn't explain why me favouring Jock here makes me mafia either, adds to it that it's some ploy to lynch him after me or jock flip. I don't even know who he scumreads precisely. Reads like some mix of chez, me, trfel, koshi.
I mean first he voted Chez, so I presume he was thinking he was mafia, then GB yells something about me wanting to lynch Chez being scummy, and Slam's kneejerk reaction is not that he's getting some backup for lynching Chez, it's that I'm mafia with Chez. Scummy.
Probably the worst though are Chez vote timings. Didn't he kinda start the day by scumreading me? But to drop the vote he waits for GB to yell at me and slam to follow. When Grack comes in and shifts the wagons back to Jock, he unvotes me and votes Jock. Presumably though, these are his reads:
On May 05 2020 15:01 Chezinu wrote:
Mafia suspects:
6. Vivax
9. Koshi
12. Trfel
7. Alakaslam
8. Jockmcplop
So when it looked like I was getting lynched, he jumped at the opportunity, and when Grack foiled it, he jumped to the wagon where his top scumreads are sitting. Can anyone tell me how this isn't scummy?
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