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On May 05 2020 15:20 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:18 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:14 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:11 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:10 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy. Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though? yeah, but that was a totally different teddy. How the heck do you post so fast >< Fair enough Chezinu. May I one day see the way you see. I don't know. Well, I coded fully time for 2 years... stack that on gaming.. I can type decently. Oh, I am also not planning any evil schemes.. so it makes posting faster. I'm not sure that you would want to see the way that I see. There are much better ways to see. I do have a color blindness with the red,blue roles. I don't know everything. I sometimes need a Light to help guide me. Too see much clearer. Perhaps you will see far clearer than me one day. But that is to assume that I see clearer than you... That was be an assumption that I would not know since I don't see the way you see. That does make sense. And fair enough, I'd like to be able to see as you see in addition to how I see though  It seems like such a fun way to view things. @GlowingBear, no idea how you got me to get out of bed and go to my computer so I could verify something for a scumread that relies on them not being mafia, but you did, haha. + Show Spoiler +I <3 Jesus + Show Spoiler +Seriously, makes life make sense. I know it's cliche, but true. + Show Spoiler +Same here Glad to hear it!
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On May 05 2020 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Jock, updated reads pls You silenced everything 
Yeah, I'll go to bed soon, but how can I go to bed when you guys are having so much fun?
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On May 05 2020 15:31 Trfel wrote:You silenced everything Yeah, I'll go to bed soon, but how can I go to bed when you guys are having so much fun?
Don't worry, I'm going now
It's 3:30Am here
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On May 05 2020 15:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:53 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:47 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:42 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:36 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 Trfel wrote:[quote]Unfortunately I'm not very strong I've been dealing with quite a bit of depression these past few years, it's been making life quite difficult. Hopeful that things can start to improve though! Aw, thanks I appreciate it! I didn't realize you officially stopped, are you just playing now because of the virus or what? And if I may, how did your style change? I've dealt with depression too. If it's not clinical (definitely go see a psychiatrist), then a therapist and physical exercise will help you deal with it. Still today I fight it a bit. Once I feel depression coming, I accept it and work with it. The black dog stuff is a nice way to portrait depression. Yes, I came back because of the virus. I thought "okay, maybe a good time to play mafia". My style changed because I became way less emotional and paranoid. So, that's good Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it What do you mean by the black dog stuff? I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually... Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun! I didn't had time because I started working with theater too. And when you're in rehearsals, it's impossible to play mafia. But anyway, let's see what happens after this coronavirus stuff. Maybe I keep playing. Thanks for that good to know I'm welcome. Know that this is reciprocal. If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right. I do almost everything in theater, I've been an actor, playwright, producer, you name it. But mainly, stage director. It's a second career as I don't earn almost anything with it rofl. The only reason I have to believe slam COULD be mafia is his wishy washiness, his lack of involvement in decisive moments. He being upset with shockey being lynch felt way too forced, he didn't seem to carry that much about what was happening during the day. But that's all. You know, those are good reasons. Better than mine. Fair enough. Also, impressive! That's super cool I suck at acting though  Haha, I bet I'd be worse ^^ And I'm sorry, I read through Jockmcplop's filter, I don't really see what you are saying. You said, day 2 he townread you when he could have scumread you? But I don't understand why that makes him town? First, he wasn't up for lynch. I don't believe he was strongly pushed that day, though I guess I could double check this. Given that ShoCkeyy was town, there was never much risk of mafia getting lynched. And second, I was the only person who tried to push you Day 2, I wouldn't call that a viable wagon at all. If it wasn't for Shockey being lynched, jock would be, no? That's how I remember it. Now, if this is the case, consider these assumptions: mafia!jock is getting some votes on him. mafia!jock sees that town!Trfel posted a case on town!GB. Why would mafia!jock defend town!GB when himself is piling votes? It doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective. Also, even if mafia!jock takes the path of defending me to get towncred, why didn't any other mafia agree with your case to throw suspicions on me? My answer is that every name up for the lynch was fine for mafia. Which implies jock is town. Is it fair to assume that Day 2 only really started Sunday evening PDT (when raynpelikoneet returned, Vivax voted off of raynpelikoneet, people started coming back to the thread, it was more than just me and Vivax playing the game, etc.)? Before then I'd say it's too hard to say who was going to be lynched. However, Jockmcplop defended GlowingBear before then, making this a lot harder... Here is where Jockmcplop first says he still townreads GlowingBear on Day 2.
And here is the votecount at the time:On May 02 2020 23:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Day 2 - BRRRR.MONEY COUNT
Votes: ShoCkeyy: (1) Koshi GlowingBear: (1) Trfel raynpelikoneet: (0) AlakaslamTrfel: (0) AlakaslamNot Voting:Chezinu, ShoCkeyy, Grackaroni, Vivax, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, GlowingBear ShoCkeyy is set to be lynched with 1 vote. until End of Day Again, not helpful. Vivax was townreading GlowingBear at this time though, for not voting to save himself at the end of Day 1. Koshi also called GlowingBear town well before this. I'm not sure what raynpelikoneet thought.
Conclusion
Two thread leaders (Koshi and Vivax) townread GlowingBear well before Jockmcplop confirmed his townread on GlowingBear. Therefore I don't believe that GlowingBear's reason to townread Jockmcplop is valid (even if GlowingBear is town).
GlowingBear, thoughts?
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On May 05 2020 15:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:31 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Jock, updated reads pls You silenced everything Yeah, I'll go to bed soon, but how can I go to bed when you guys are having so much fun? Don't worry, I'm going now It's 3:30Am here Yeesh
Well in the morning I wouldn't mind a response to my analysis of your Jockmcplop townread. I'm probably still going to think you are mafia, but just curious to see how it changes things. If it'd get you to re-evaluate/bus Jockmcplop I wouldn't mind.
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At the moment
town:
Jock
Grack
GB
null:
slam
Mafia
chez
koshi
vivax/trfel
I'm starting to think slam is town. He's still null rather than a townread, but his tone today isn't one that I can see in his mafia meta and i've looked at all of his mafia games in the archive. He's annoyed and sounds defeated, which i didn't see at all in his meta. He's also been quick to take things personally the whole game and I don't see that much in his mafia meta either.
Can I ask why everyone is quick to TR chez? I know he has claimed again but he has claimed like three or four times different roles this game. Why do you believe him unconditionally now with no evidence when you didn't believe him before. It looks more like PR hunting to me.
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On May 05 2020 15:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
At the moment
town:
Jock
Grack
GB
null:
slam
Mafia
chez
koshi
vivax/trfel
I'm starting to think slam is town. He's still null rather than a townread, but his tone today isn't one that I can see in his mafia meta and i've looked at all of his mafia games in the archive. He's annoyed and sounds defeated, which i didn't see at all in his meta. He's also been quick to take things personally the whole game and I don't see that much in his mafia meta either.
Can I ask why everyone is quick to TR chez? I know he has claimed again but he has claimed like three or four times different roles this game. Why do you believe him unconditionally now with no evidence when you didn't believe him before. It looks more like PR hunting to me.
In all honesty? I see no reason to lynch Chezinu now. I think there's a pretty good chance he's a role, he may not be, but there is no counterclaim. There are almost certainly two town power roles in the game, I haven't seen a game with only one (of 12-13 player size) well, ever. If Chezinu is mafia, his play is bound to be found out as soon as someone else claims, so it's not a good play to make. This means that Chezinu is very likely a town power role, and very likely town.
The clincher is that it's not town's problem, it's mafia's problem. Town can wait until there is one mafia left to worry about Chezinu, if it comes down to it. Since he's likely a role, mafia can't wait. They have to figure out how to deal with him sooner. So it's best to keep him alive
I know, not the answer you wanted to hear, but it's the best I can do.
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On May 05 2020 15:42 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
At the moment
town:
Jock
Grack
GB
null:
slam
Mafia
chez
koshi
vivax/trfel
I'm starting to think slam is town. He's still null rather than a townread, but his tone today isn't one that I can see in his mafia meta and i've looked at all of his mafia games in the archive. He's annoyed and sounds defeated, which i didn't see at all in his meta. He's also been quick to take things personally the whole game and I don't see that much in his mafia meta either.
Can I ask why everyone is quick to TR chez? I know he has claimed again but he has claimed like three or four times different roles this game. Why do you believe him unconditionally now with no evidence when you didn't believe him before. It looks more like PR hunting to me.
In all honesty? I see no reason to lynch Chezinu now. I think there's a pretty good chance he's a role, he may not be, but there is no counterclaim. There are almost certainly two town power roles in the game, I haven't seen a game with only one (of 12-13 player size) well, ever. If Chezinu is mafia, his play is bound to be found out as soon as someone else claims, so it's not a good play to make. This means that Chezinu is very likely a town power role, and very likely town. The clincher is that it's not town's problem, it's mafia's problem. Town can wait until there is one mafia left to worry about Chezinu, if it comes down to it. Since he's likely a role, mafia can't wait. They have to figure out how to deal with him sooner. So it's best to keep him alive I know, not the answer you wanted to hear, but it's the best I can do.
I would maybe start worrying about it now.
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Given that if you lynch me its game over.
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On May 05 2020 15:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Given that if you lynch me its game over. But that's not a worry of mine...
If you are town though, can't you convince me to lynch someone other than Chezinu? If you are town and even if Chezinu is somehow mafia, there are still two more mafia to lynch today. It doesn't have to be Chezinu.
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On May 05 2020 15:48 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Given that if you lynch me its game over. But that's not a worry of mine... If you are town though, can't you convince me to lynch someone other than Chezinu? If you are town and even if Chezinu is somehow mafia, there are still two more mafia to lynch today. It doesn't have to be Chezinu.
yeah! koshi or vivax?
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On May 05 2020 15:52 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:48 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Given that if you lynch me its game over. But that's not a worry of mine... If you are town though, can't you convince me to lynch someone other than Chezinu? If you are town and even if Chezinu is somehow mafia, there are still two more mafia to lynch today. It doesn't have to be Chezinu. yeah! koshi or vivax? I'm much, much more confident in Jockmcplop being mafia however. If I knew somehow that Jockmcplop was town, I'd lynch GlowingBear. If I know somehow they were both town, I'd lynch Alakaslam. If I knew somehow all three were town, then I'd probably lynch Vivax.
Sorry, not really feeling lynching those two right now
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I would lynch Vivax too.
Poor reads Vivax.. poor reads...
Too bad you don't have a troll meta to fall back on.
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On May 05 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:20 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:18 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:14 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:11 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:10 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy. Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though? yeah, but that was a totally different teddy. How the heck do you post so fast >< Fair enough Chezinu. May I one day see the way you see. I don't know. Well, I coded fully time for 2 years... stack that on gaming.. I can type decently. Oh, I am also not planning any evil schemes.. so it makes posting faster. I'm not sure that you would want to see the way that I see. There are much better ways to see. I do have a color blindness with the red,blue roles. I don't know everything. I sometimes need a Light to help guide me. Too see much clearer. Perhaps you will see far clearer than me one day. But that is to assume that I see clearer than you... That was be an assumption that I would not know since I don't see the way you see. That does make sense. And fair enough, I'd like to be able to see as you see in addition to how I see though It seems like such a fun way to view things. @GlowingBear, no idea how you got me to get out of bed and go to my computer so I could verify something for a scumread that relies on them not being mafia, but you did, haha. + Show Spoiler +I <3 Jesus + Show Spoiler +Seriously, makes life make sense. I know it's cliche, but true. + Show Spoiler +Same here Glad to hear it!
+ Show Spoiler +Dear God, Master troller of all men. A great fisher of men. As Psalm 2 says, you laugh. So help us Lord in this time of trolling. It is said you care even about the sparrows and are willing to give children scraps to dogs. For your scraps, yes your food, are great! Give us our daily bread to your beloved children and feed our spirit with the Bread of Life. For He is the source and we are the branches. Let your Holy Spirit continue to speak with our spirit as we abide in you. So, help us Lord. Help us find the last mafias. Give Mr. Truffle clear vision to see what he needs to see. Also, eliminate his depression so he can laugh at what is to come. Help us troll the truth by the authority of Jesus Christ, let it be done.
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On May 05 2020 16:07 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:20 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:18 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:14 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:11 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:10 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy. Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though? yeah, but that was a totally different teddy. How the heck do you post so fast >< Fair enough Chezinu. May I one day see the way you see. I don't know. Well, I coded fully time for 2 years... stack that on gaming.. I can type decently. Oh, I am also not planning any evil schemes.. so it makes posting faster. I'm not sure that you would want to see the way that I see. There are much better ways to see. I do have a color blindness with the red,blue roles. I don't know everything. I sometimes need a Light to help guide me. Too see much clearer. Perhaps you will see far clearer than me one day. But that is to assume that I see clearer than you... That was be an assumption that I would not know since I don't see the way you see. That does make sense. And fair enough, I'd like to be able to see as you see in addition to how I see though It seems like such a fun way to view things. @GlowingBear, no idea how you got me to get out of bed and go to my computer so I could verify something for a scumread that relies on them not being mafia, but you did, haha. + Show Spoiler +I <3 Jesus + Show Spoiler +Seriously, makes life make sense. I know it's cliche, but true. + Show Spoiler +Same here Glad to hear it! + Show Spoiler +Dear God, Master troller of all men. A great fisher of men. As Psalm 2 says, you laugh. So help us Lord in this time of trolling. It is said you care even about the sparrows and are willing to give children scraps to dogs. For your scraps, yes your food, are great! Give us our daily bread to your beloved children and feed our spirit with the Bread of Life. For He is the source and we are the branches. Let your Holy Spirit continue to speak with our spirit as we abide in you. So, help us Lord. Help us find the last mafias. Give Mr. Truffle clear vision to see what he needs to see. Also, eliminate his depression so he can laugh at what is to come. Help us troll the truth by the authority of Jesus Christ, let it be done. + Show Spoiler +Amen! Thanks Chezinu, I appreciate it Though is prayer to help find mafia legal? I'd think it would give us quite the advantage...
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I read page 64. Sad he died. Weird they knew. Or did he post his post too soon and did thry change kill? Oh well.
I think his reads are pretty ok.
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On May 05 2020 16:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 16:07 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:20 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:18 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:14 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:11 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:10 Chezinu wrote:On May 05 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 15:07 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, but really... how can you hate on a glowing fluffy teddy bear!?!? That's a fair point, I do likes the teddy. Didn't you want to kill the teddy last game though? yeah, but that was a totally different teddy. How the heck do you post so fast >< Fair enough Chezinu. May I one day see the way you see. I don't know. Well, I coded fully time for 2 years... stack that on gaming.. I can type decently. Oh, I am also not planning any evil schemes.. so it makes posting faster. I'm not sure that you would want to see the way that I see. There are much better ways to see. I do have a color blindness with the red,blue roles. I don't know everything. I sometimes need a Light to help guide me. Too see much clearer. Perhaps you will see far clearer than me one day. But that is to assume that I see clearer than you... That was be an assumption that I would not know since I don't see the way you see. That does make sense. And fair enough, I'd like to be able to see as you see in addition to how I see though It seems like such a fun way to view things. @GlowingBear, no idea how you got me to get out of bed and go to my computer so I could verify something for a scumread that relies on them not being mafia, but you did, haha. + Show Spoiler +I <3 Jesus + Show Spoiler +Seriously, makes life make sense. I know it's cliche, but true. + Show Spoiler +Same here Glad to hear it! + Show Spoiler +Dear God, Master troller of all men. A great fisher of men. As Psalm 2 says, you laugh. So help us Lord in this time of trolling. It is said you care even about the sparrows and are willing to give children scraps to dogs. For your scraps, yes your food, are great! Give us our daily bread to your beloved children and feed our spirit with the Bread of Life. For He is the source and we are the branches. Let your Holy Spirit continue to speak with our spirit as we abide in you. So, help us Lord. Help us find the last mafias. Give Mr. Truffle clear vision to see what he needs to see. Also, eliminate his depression so he can laugh at what is to come. Help us troll the truth by the authority of Jesus Christ, let it be done. + Show Spoiler +Amen! Thanks Chezinu, I appreciate it Though is prayer to help find mafia legal? I'd think it would give us quite the advantage...
In all sincerity, I prayed to God in a mafia game before. It was a season in life where God was showing me that he even cared about the little things and he was present.
That game was Mini Mafia II, where I DT'ed checked two mafia players in a row. I never told anyone here in TL mafia about that though. God kept revealing himself to me during that time period. It was a time where I sought him the most. Years later, I went through different seasons where I had to learn to trust God even when I didn't hear him. Not pleasant times, especially when you get use to him speaking to you almost daily. But fortunately that season ended. Even during that time, God was still show up and it wasn't as often. Trials. FYI, I had a clinical depression in high school that lasted 6 months. Never went to the doctor since I was in high school. Too young for medication. I remember that I couldn't even taste food. I just ate to eat. Didn't find any enjoyment in playing games. I just went through the routine. The funny thing was that I was running cross country at that time. I remember the physical pain of running was nothing compared to what I was feeling. I ended making my best times that year. God was with me during that time, although I was depressed. Afterwards, the depression ended before summer and I remember having so much fun playing WOW. Everything was working again. It was great. Makes you thankful looking back.
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I do believe there is a framer or gf in the game so grack is not yet in the clear. But that is lylo bullshit.
Other than that. GB was uber scummy D1 but super townie d2.
There is no way Tfrel is mafia. Vivax cant really see it.
I think Jock is town but I also thought Shockey was mafia.
I forgot the third name rayn said. Maybe I should vote that guy but I will just follow town consensus today.
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