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On May 05 2020 05:50 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean fuck it. If it is against my wincon to play the fucking game then I’ll just go silent and vote so that more townies dont get ahat on because I am smart enough to see they are town
I'm not shitting on you. I was just trying to understand your thought process. I didn't read the pages the previous night so that's my bad that Rayn was asking you that already.
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On May 05 2020 05:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 05:50 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean fuck it. If it is against my wincon to play the fucking game then I’ll just go silent and vote so that more townies dont get ahat on because I am smart enough to see they are town I'm not shitting on you. I was just trying to understand your thought process. I didn't read the pages the previous night so that's my bad that Rayn was asking you that already.
I’m not saying you are shitting on me I am saying that you just said the reason ShoCkeyy got shat on was because I TR’d him?
So then I had better shut up and hope nobody lynches GB?!
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Town
Chezinu
Grackaroni
Town?
Vivax
Koshi
Mafia?
Alakaslam
Mafia
Jockmcplop
GlowingBear
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I dont get why so many people see trfel’s play as townie.
Lists, asking questions, never knows who is scum
Why hasnt he been lynched? Well because he has been active and there are so many inactives this game. But now we are past the point where that matters. I am really nagged by a feeling that Trfel is scum.
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On May 03 2020 20:32 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 20:31 Chezinu wrote:On May 03 2020 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 03 2020 20:26 Chezinu wrote:
I tried so hard to get mafia to shoot me last night... I think that I am done roleplaying. Only Grack cared. That is why he is town. wait, why did you want mafia to shoot you if you visited Vivax last night? STOP IT!!! LET ME TROLL CLAIM!!!! oh ##:unvote
## vote: slam
What the hell?
What is this. Why
So did some shit happen while I was gone (between the 40’s and 60’s) that somehow super implicated me that Chez did?
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Or is this more “be gone get lynched”?
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On May 03 2020 21:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu Many words. The question is: Is this guiding town into the wrong direction or actually rayn his mibdset in the game that he wants to tell us. I think there is a fair bit in this entire post that is speculative guiding. To be deciding in which direction. If you are town and in your gut you feel this is the bible and you need to follow this you should consider this instead as Satans seduction into the pits of Hell.
Really liking Koshi and not finding how I am supposed to be so suspicious.
Reading the nested quote.
People dismiss my filter and what I actually say. So dont be surprised when I do things you don’t expect.
My voting that day was because I knew Rayn was never gonna get lynched. Kurumi looked scummy at that point and so did GB, but I felt more townie on GB than kurumi.
Then Kurumi cheated and basically modconfirmed himself town. Well? Obviously prefer possible scum to confirmed town rifht?
Then later pull for Rayn lynch.
Rayn thinks I would solo vote just for principle here but he is wrong.
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So my team atm by PoE is Jock, Vivax, Trfel.
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Chezinu if he isnt blue, would replace Vivax. I dont really scumread Vivax.
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But it seems people are considering Chezinu confirmed town. Which I am doubtful of but I havent read some 20+ pages of the thread and can’t take that kind if time out of my day.
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So I gotta trust my “team”. But it just doesn’t feel right.
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On May 05 2020 04:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Day 3 ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/K2qXm9U.png) raypelikoneet the SEC Agent (Cop) has been killed!
There are 3 scum remaining in the game. At the end of the day, the candidate with the most votes will be lynched. Votes are done in this thread. Day ends in
I'm so good at this game.
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On May 05 2020 07:53 Alakaslam wrote:
I dont get why so many people see trfel’s play as townie.
Lists, asking questions, never knows who is scum
Why hasnt he been lynched? Well because he has been active and there are so many inactives this game. But now we are past the point where that matters. I am really nagged by a feeling that Trfel is scum.
I don't believe Trfel is mafia. He is consistently here and playing the game, even when no one is talking. He is just very, very wrong.
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Alright, who's the second mason?
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On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear  Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from. Which people btw. ##Vote rayn Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it. Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me. But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday. Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way. Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play. OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not. As for the other parts of your case: Show nested quote +1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying. Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up? Show nested quote +2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads. Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get?
I'm diving jock's filter.
Here's the thing: why would jock defend me if he is scum here? He is in the chopping block day1 and instead of jumping on a wrong case, he decided it was better to talk about it point by point, debunking it. I don't see mafia!jock doing that.
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I've just finished diving jock's filter and I don't think he sounds scummy at all. He is wordy but he was reacting accordingly to the information that was posted in thread and contributing with what he thinks of people. Especially, he DEFENDED me when the first thing mafia would do was to JUMP on Trfel's case, ESPECIALLY because jock himself was on the chopping block.
It doesn't make sense, as mafia, to not take the opportunity to mislynch me when one of your partners risks been lynched. Especially after I was almost lynched day1.
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Of course this is assuming Trfel is town, which I think he is as I've said before.
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On May 05 2020 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from. Which people btw. ##Vote rayn Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it. Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me. But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday. Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way. Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play. OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not. As for the other parts of your case: 1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying. Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up? 2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads. Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get? I'm diving jock's filter. Here's the thing: why would jock defend me if he is scum here? He is in the chopping block day1 and instead of jumping on a wrong case, he decided it was better to talk about it point by point, debunking it. I don't see mafia!jock doing that.
we're at 5-3 at this point and you/Jock both write each other off as possible mafia just for choosing not to lynch each other. I kind of doubt you would both do that as a team, but I think 1 of you two has to be mafia.
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I think this thing is already lost. But I feel drawn to it anyway. But whose mind am I supposed to change? What good am I supposed to do?
I really haven't the faintest who is mafia. Mafia is playing really well. It’s demoralizing for me, but every mafia game has someone who gets demoralized so i just hope the mafia players get to enjoy it as far as that goes.
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