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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 30 2020 23:09 GMT
#751
On May 01 2020 08:06 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 08:03 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, who is your top scumread right now?


GB, Shockeyy is up close.

I'd like Shockeyy to continue his inquiry into Slam though.
I didn't finish looking at EoD from a lynch derailing perspective and wagon analysis, but rayn's switch looks bad to me. I thought he was as confident as me on GB.
Thanks.

Are you still suspicious of me? Is it bad that I am still unsure about you?


You're kinda nothingburger right now, I have bigger fish to fry.
You can think of me what you will. Actually you're helping if you suspect me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 30 2020 23:15 GMT
#755
On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:
GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo


You voted Shockey back then, why do you think I'm wrong on him now?
And didn't you claim cop?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 08:54 GMT
#807
On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:
If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore.

Suspicious of Koshi because:
Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so.
Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts).
Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread.
Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself
Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously

Thoughts?


I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read.

Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting.

On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You went from this

On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear


to this

On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.


in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart?

Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting.

Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB.

Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern.


This is actually a good question.


Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me.
How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia?


While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post.

If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 08:55 GMT
#808
Though I'll try to be fair and look at the game from a fresh perspective.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 09:52 GMT
#809
On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town?


Idk why he says this when he's voting Kurumi who he presumably thinks was mafia.
Or is he referring to someone else.
Otherwise, it's a pretty scummy thing to say.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 09:58 GMT
#810
On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear


Nice timing. Also didn't change the outcome.

Important to come back to depending on GB's flip.

On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.


Seems legit.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 13:08 GMT
#834
Welcome back Jock. Hope you're ok.
I need to digest your posts and I'm kinda lazy atm.

Need some clarification on your vote on Koshi from back in the day. I read it as joke, rayn read it as serious with you weasling out of it.

I mean it feels kinda stupid to ask but it needs to be done.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 13:14 GMT
#835
On May 01 2020 20:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:
If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore.

Suspicious of Koshi because:
Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so.
Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts).
..............
Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously

Thoughts?


If this is suggesting koshi/shockeyy mafia I don't think so. Shockeyy's hard scumread on koshi is too much for early bussing imo.

Otherwise I think the best part of this case is here:+ Show Spoiler +

Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread.
Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself


Its really hard to parse town motivation from these two posts. It looks like there's a contradiction, like don't townread kurumi for that post he made but we shouldn't lynch him but don't stop voting him based on that post.
If you didn't want kurumi lynched, your objective should be to stop town from lynching him. why would you tell rayn to ignore that post and suggest that kurumi might be mafia for posting it?

Kurumi cheated and deserved to die. You shouldnt talk about getting replaced and shit like that. It's 99% times town being truthful over mafia doing a very dirty trick.


What are you talking about. Where did he talk about getting replaced because I can't find it on a quick read.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 13:28 GMT
#838
On May 01 2020 22:16 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic:
Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced.

I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that.
@Vivax


Thanks.
Jock can you stop putting stuff in spoilers? It really helps.

Confirms what I was thinking, anyways, tho I fell for it before the sarcasm.
But also kinda obvious answer if he's mafia.

Fefe for his push on shockeyy which only takes a brief look at shockeyy's reads and filter to debunk.


Okay, debunk it please?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 13:59 GMT
#841
Thanks, I'm getting anoptic or something.

Looked at Shockey's 'there's two scum here' stuff and can't figure out why he was so sure of GB being a town wagon here when he previously posted 'I think Koshi is more likely mafia than GB'. Doesn't exactly scream 100% confidence on the GB wagon being on town.

So no Jock, I don't see how it is easy to see why thinks there's two scum on the wagons.

It literally only makes sense if you argue he was so sure that Koshi was mafia that he was never going to think that GB could be. But then why didn't he say so?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 14:35 GMT
#843
On May 01 2020 23:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 22:59 Vivax wrote:
Thanks, I'm getting anoptic or something.

Looked at Shockey's 'there's two scum here' stuff and can't figure out why he was so sure of GB being a town wagon here when he previously posted 'I think Koshi is more likely mafia than GB'. Doesn't exactly scream 100% confidence on the GB wagon being on town.

So no Jock, I don't see how it is easy to see why thinks there's two scum on the wagons.

It literally only makes sense if you argue he was so sure that Koshi was mafia that he was never going to think that GB could be. But then why didn't he say so?

But literally all of his scumreads and people that he is suspicious of are on those two wagons. It makes perfect sense that he says that's where scum is.


He mentioned Slam and Koshi before. That is fine, except I'm not okay with the way he went after Koshi.

But then he pulls out the wagons, and says there's got to be two mafia on them. Then adds me and FF to a random list because he says he TRs Trfel and rayn.

If he said 'look I know I'm town and I think there's scum on my wagon', then that would be okay.

But why both wagons, and why two mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 14:57 GMT
#850
On May 01 2020 23:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 17:54 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:
If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore.

Suspicious of Koshi because:
Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so.
Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts).
Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread.
Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself
Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously

Thoughts?


I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read.

Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting.

On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You went from this

On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear


to this

On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.


in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart?

Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting.

Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB.

Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern.


This is actually a good question.


Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me.
How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia?


While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post.

If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you.


I didn't make an apologetic summary list, I tried to have my reads on thread when people kept saying I had no information in my filter, although I believe I had enough. We were reaching deadline and we had to organize ourselves. I can't keep refreshing the page while fleshing out my reads. Come on, Vivax.


Actually I just realized you didn't vote Kurumi to save yourself. That makes you more likely to be town. Dumb town, but town.
Makes slams EoD vote juggling more likely to be from scum since that'd mean both wagons were town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 15:24 GMT
#856
On May 02 2020 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 23:57 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 23:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 01 2020 17:54 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:
If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore.

Suspicious of Koshi because:
Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so.
Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts).
Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread.
Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself
Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously

Thoughts?


I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read.

Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting.

On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You went from this

On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear


to this

On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.


in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart?

Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting.

Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB.

Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern.


This is actually a good question.


Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me.
How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia?


While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post.

If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you.


I didn't make an apologetic summary list, I tried to have my reads on thread when people kept saying I had no information in my filter, although I believe I had enough. We were reaching deadline and we had to organize ourselves. I can't keep refreshing the page while fleshing out my reads. Come on, Vivax.


Actually I just realized you didn't vote Kurumi to save yourself. That makes you more likely to be town. Dumb town, but town.
Makes slams EoD vote juggling more likely to be from scum since that'd mean both wagons were town.


I'm no dumb
You dumbest

Care to explain what was so bad about that reads list of mine? There's nothing apologetic in it.



On May 01 2020 17:54 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 14:11 Trfel wrote:
If I stop focusing on GlowingBear's alignment and look at others, I see Koshi being mafia a lot more easily than I see raynpelikoneet being mafia. But I'm listening to what people say about raynpelikoneet, it would be dumb to ignore.

Suspicious of Koshi because:
Says he likes ShoCkeyy possibly even less than GlowingBear, says he could move from GlowingBear to ShoCkeyy at the deadline, then doesn't do so.
Says he votes for the scummiest low-activity poster while voting GlowingBear instead of ShoCkeyy (after GlowingBear's string of update posts).
Mild "don't lynch Kurumi" post. Feels so mild-mannered for Koshi, who is usually such an aggressive poster. He doesn't seem to care much about who gets lynched between GlowingBear, his super scumread, and Kurumi, his townread.
Tells raynpelikoneet to keep voting for Kurumi while sticking on GlowingBear himself
Calls for vigilante shot on Chezinu instead of ShoCkeyy, who has been his secondary target previously

Thoughts?


I think he has too much fight in him to be mafia. Mafia Koshi is a kind butterfly that occasionally backstabs you. More of a tonish read.

Chez shot is good. Though I could be swayed if he looked like he had more fun while shitposting.

Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 01 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:
On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You went from this

On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear


to this

On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.


in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart?

Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting.

Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB.

Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern.


This is actually a good question.


Why do you want so much to paint me as scum now? You're taking every oportunity to throw suspicions at me.
How about YOU tell me why I'm mafia?


While I was fighting with Koshi over your alignment you were in the thread and instead of engaging you went and made an apologetic sounding summarish post.

If it wasn't already obvious that it is why I scumread you, then I can't help you.


Basically it looked like you felt pressured by Koshi for having little reads and while we were in the thread debating your alignment you ran off to scramble a few together.
In that context, it didn't feel natural.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 15:30 GMT
#857
The more I look at rayn's filter the more I get the feeling that after he put Kurumi through a meatgrinder he clapped his hands, turned around and thought to himself 'my job here is done'.

There are some posts that suggest he should be mad but to me it looks like he's happy. Doesn't quite compute.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 15:49 GMT
#860
Live shot of Elon Musk right now

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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 16:02 GMT
#863
On May 02 2020 01:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey so @ Jock

If you read ShoCkeyy’s filter you will see him making little remarks as if he is trying to convince me I am scum like twice a day.

I will do exactly whatever the fuck I will do and I’m not changing to make ShoCkeyy think I am town.


You don't have to make Shockeyy think you're town if you think he's scum. Wtf?

On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:
GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 01 2020 17:23 GMT
#873
On May 02 2020 01:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Fwiw even though I think Rayn played an objectively very scummy day yesterday I don't feel a strong conviction that he will flip scum.

I think I was vigged n1 my last game as town in a similar situation so if someone is debating who to shoot right now I hope you choose Chezinu, but obviously I understand if it's me. At the very least I'll keep coming back to read every so often and hopefully I'll feel strongly about something at some point later on.


You're good in my book. Kinda self-conscious but not in a mafia way.
I'll put that out there in case I get N1d.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 02 2020 05:33 GMT
#907
Morning.

Have you read his filter Trfel? There's a read that sticks out imo. I've been burned before from drawing conclusions from kills though.

And shouldn't Slam have a check?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 02 2020 05:43 GMT
#909
Rayn what's up with the passive aggressive tone? Are you a Tesla investor?

Do you agree that we should murder Shockeyy or that other guy today?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
May 02 2020 05:45 GMT
#910
On May 02 2020 14:42 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 14:33 Vivax wrote:
Morning.

Have you read his filter Trfel? There's a read that sticks out imo. I've been burned before from drawing conclusions from kills though.

And shouldn't Slam have a check?
You mean his read on ShoCkeyy or Fecalfeast? I skimmed his filter, those two seemed most prominent to me. Sure, he talked about Chezinu less, but he was one of few who talked about him at all (at least in any kind of alignment indicative way).

And I guess we'd better wait for Alakaslam to say.


Well I did mean the read that sticks out in Fefes filter, not Slams. Without playing the guessing game with you, I think his Chez read sticks out. Also his GB read, but I'm kinda running with a world where mafia don't vote to kill themselves atm.
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