[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia - Page 10

On May 05 2020 15:31 Trfel wrote:
You silenced everything

Yeah, I'll go to bed soon, but how can I go to bed when you guys are having so much fun?

On May 05 2020 15:35 Trfel wrote:
Is it fair to assume that Day 2 only really started Sunday evening PDT (when raynpelikoneet returned, Vivax voted off of raynpelikoneet, people started coming back to the thread, it was more than just me and Vivax playing the game, etc.)? Before then I'd say it's too hard to say who was going to be lynched. However, Jockmcplop defended GlowingBear before then, making this a lot harder... Here is where Jockmcplop first says he still townreads GlowingBear on Day 2.

And here is the votecount at the time:Again, not helpful. Vivax was townreading GlowingBear at this time though, for not voting to save himself at the end of Day 1. Koshi also called GlowingBear town well before this. I'm not sure what raynpelikoneet thought.

Conclusion
Two thread leaders (Koshi and Vivax) townread GlowingBear well before Jockmcplop confirmed his townread on GlowingBear. Therefore I don't believe that GlowingBear's reason to townread Jockmcplop is valid (even if GlowingBear is town).

GlowingBear, thoughts?

On May 05 2020 15:42 Trfel wrote:
In all honesty? I see no reason to lynch Chezinu now. I think there's a pretty good chance he's a role, he may not be, but there is no counterclaim. There are almost certainly two town power roles in the game, I haven't seen a game with only one (of 12-13 player size) well, ever. If Chezinu is mafia, his play is bound to be found out as soon as someone else claims, so it's not a good play to make. This means that Chezinu is very likely a town power role, and very likely town.

The clincher is that it's not town's problem, it's mafia's problem. Town can wait until there is one mafia left to worry about Chezinu, if it comes down to it. Since he's likely a role, mafia can't wait. They have to figure out how to deal with him sooner. So it's best to keep him alive

I know, not the answer you wanted to hear, but it's the best I can do.

On May 05 2020 16:33 Koshi wrote:
I do believe there is a framer or gf in the game so grack is not yet in the clear. But that is lylo bullshit.

Other than that. GB was uber scummy D1 but super townie d2.

There is no way Tfrel is mafia. Vivax cant really see it.

I think Jock is town but I also thought Shockey was mafia.

I forgot the third name rayn said. Maybe I should vote that guy but I will just follow town consensus today.

On May 06 2020 04:52 Trfel wrote:
There were no votes in between the vote count and the post I linked. We are talking about Day 2, right?

On May 05 2020 21:16 Vivax wrote:
Yo.
So, Jock, here we are.

##Vote Jock

As you might have figured out yesterday, I have some issues with some reads of yours.
Last day you had Trfel and me in your PoE, today also but now you're saying we're mutually exclusively mafia. The reasoning for that is nowhere to be seen. Adding a / is convenient when you're limiting yourself to three scumreads, I can understand that, but it's just lazy.

In theory, you are now in a spot where you can singlehandedly save town. Everyone reads your posts. What do you do? You post a list and kinda say 'meh but if I die town loses'.

If I were in your spot I'd be on a crusade right now to lynch my scumreads, I'd try to find every single scummy fucker on my wagon and call them out. But we get a meek list with poorly explained reads and somehow I'm mafia with Chez even though we're on the same page with thinking that his play this game has just been blue hunting.

Also, he's claiming a roleblock. Question to everyone: Did anyone get roleblocked N1? I went back and looked through every single post after N1 which was a massive pain in the butt and I can assure you I didn't spot any roleblock, unless Jock put one in a spoiler.

So here's my problem: Chez is basically coming at mylo, pretended not-so-subtly to be blue all game long, didn't get shot, and after N2 claims that there's a mafia roleblocker that didn't do anything N1.

To add insult to injury, Shockeyy said he was masoned with someone who was roleplaying and who he thought was Chez, and that mason is almost guaranteed to be mafia because he didn't claim to confirm Shockeyy's claim.

So Jock, I am mafia with Chez?

On May 05 2020 21:30 Vivax wrote:
One more alternative scenario that just eluded me and the only one in my opinion that excuses Chez roleblock claim is that scum thought Fefe was veteran for some reason and roleblocked him the same night of the kill, which I find pretty unlikely, so I didn't even think of that before.

Either way, I don't believe a word of what Chez is saying.

On May 05 2020 22:22 Vivax wrote:


It doesn't matter to me. One to me is confirmed scum, the other is a guaranteed loss for town if he's town so we might as well lynch jock because lynching chez just buys us more time to lynch jock.

If you catch my meaning, I'd take the riskier lynch today even over confirmed scum because if Jock is town we most likely lose even if we lynch scum now.

On May 05 2020 22:55 Vivax wrote:
I believe in Koshi, he will come back to the thread with newfound righteous fury and see what I see.
Rayn kill really played a number on him, but it's winnable.

It really makes sense to me on this day if you look at the N1 kill. Medic dodge? Nah. Vet dodge? Maybe. Killed for reads? Definitely.

On May 06 2020 08:04 Trfel wrote:
@GlowingBear, why Vivax over Koshi? IMO voting for your #2 scumread isn't as bad as voting for a townread in MYLO.

On May 06 2020 08:35 Trfel wrote:
Yes, I read what Vivax said. I don't mind it because I'm pretty confident Jockmcplop is mafia here though.

But Koshi admitted to lynching a townread. Why isn't that worse? I'm not saying what Vivax said isn't bad, but Koshi's statement is worse, no?

On May 06 2020 08:40 Trfel wrote:
Huh, interesting. I guess I never thought about it like that.

Have you had a chance to re-evaluate Jockmcplop yet? Not trying to rush you, just wondering.

On May 06 2020 12:04 Chezinu wrote:
ok, confession time...

Guys, I did not role check Grack. I just said he was town with a question mark because he acknowledge my role Day 1 and the mafia didn't kill me.

On May 06 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:
I'll be here on and off for the next few hours, I'll be taking a sauna with my dad (shout-out to raynpelikoneet!).

Look at the associations between the GlowingBear, Jockmcplop, and Alakaslam team. Notice how Alakaslam is trying to vote anyone other than Jockmcplop, despite having Jockmcplop in his POE list. See how GlowingBear townread Jockmcplop Day 2 despite having no reason to do so (I think a page or two ago I showed why his reasons are invalid). Note Jockmcplop's lack of involvement and desire to play this game. He's a very strong town player, and I know he'd have more pushback against his lynch and throughout the game than this.

As it is now, the lynch comes down to a race. Grackaroni said he won't ever lynch Vivax, Jockmcplop will definitely vote to save himself. I'd rather seal the lynch of Jockmcplop and worry about the rest later.

In the end it's your decision, but if you've made up your mind I'd appreciate it if you let me know is all. Otherwise I'm highly confident that Jockmcplop is mafia and I believe he should be the lynch today.