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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:15 GMT
#1730
And a better point,

Trfel was trying to push mafia, yet... His posts all game indicate that he should have been pushing me day 2, not Rayn.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:17 GMT
#1733
There's a 0% chance of me moving my vote, I think Trfel's play has too much AtE going on (his opening statement today), a lot of apologies (specifically with jockmcplop who he's pocketing), he keeps trying to scum read jockmcplop day 1 and backs right up again after presented with an answer to his questions.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:20 GMT
#1737
On July 10 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.

So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).

Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?

really eywa, read this please.

I read this.

Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is?

I know he is town but i would still lynch him if he was in the game or did the same stuff. I don't really remember what Grack did and what was his reasoning, i stopped caring about that when he got shot, but here's something i know:

For me mafia isn't really about finding contradictions and shit like that, you know like "fake posts" and shit. I hate when people get called out purely based on something superficial. For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads. I don't believe Jock believes his assumed town read will flip mafia over his assumed scum read when he votes with two of his his assumed scum reads. I just don't believe it. The only reasonable explanation i can come up with that he went all in saving ES. I literally can't even think of a townie thought process for what he did based on what he said in thread in his D1 filter.

See.. Grack wasn't even on my radar day 1 due to how people were talking to/about him. So we disagree about whether or not he would have been a good lynch.

The rest is valid, but Trfel hasn't given me anything either.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:22 GMT
#1738
On July 10 2019 02:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On July 10 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.

So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).

Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum?

really eywa, read this please.

I read this.

Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is?

# For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads.


When this game finishes i want you to remember this post in relation to my future games.

I thought that I tended to think things through clearly until you got a hold of my filter this last couple of days. Now youre just exposing the fact that I play this game like an idiot.
Live and learn I guess.

If you're scum: Well played (though I don't think this is the outcome)

If you're town, I think the amount of reads you posted as you had them turned out to be very confusing (rather than clearly mapping out your thought process). It's better to keep some of that closer to the chest because people will be less confused.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:37 GMT
#1740
On July 04 2019 17:38 Trfel wrote:
My only concern about Eywa- is that sometimes it feels like Eywa- is more concerned about looking good or being superior to everyone else, rather than finding who is mafia. Does anyone else see this?

I hard disagree with this.

My goal is always to find mafia, I don't give out my thoughts so much because when people go back to look at my filter, they can very quickly understand who I'm scum reading at various points without putting their own spin on whether they think it's valid or not. I want people to read me off of what I'm thinking and not whether they agree with why I'm thinking that.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:46 GMT
#1742
On July 10 2019 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 10 2019 02:37 Eywa- wrote:
I want people to read me off of what I'm thinking and not whether they agree with why I'm thinking that.

So when you're town and playing a bad game you should be lynched?

It all depends on how much you respect my reads.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:56 GMT
#1744
On July 10 2019 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk we can continue with mafia theory after the game.

I agree Trfel has been making bad posts. I think Jock's posts have more mafia motivation behind them though. Maybe it's a difference on how we see the game, maybe you are right maybe i am. I think i am. May i ask you though why did you scumread me last game since you were clearly wrong and i literally made one case that was good and on mafia?

I scum read you every game, it's pretty much my default since I haven't figured out how to get a read on you... I find it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 17:56 GMT
#1745
On July 10 2019 02:56 Eywa- wrote:
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On July 10 2019 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk we can continue with mafia theory after the game.

I agree Trfel has been making bad posts. I think Jock's posts have more mafia motivation behind them though. Maybe it's a difference on how we see the game, maybe you are right maybe i am. I think i am. May i ask you though why did you scumread me last game since you were clearly wrong and i literally made one case that was good and on mafia?

I scum read you every game, it's pretty much my default since I haven't figured out how to get a read on you... I find it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything.

I also scum read you in that Italian Mafia that was super weird and never to be spoken of again.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 18:00 GMT
#1748
On July 10 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 02:56 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk we can continue with mafia theory after the game.

I agree Trfel has been making bad posts. I think Jock's posts have more mafia motivation behind them though. Maybe it's a difference on how we see the game, maybe you are right maybe i am. I think i am. May i ask you though why did you scumread me last game since you were clearly wrong and i literally made one case that was good and on mafia?

I scum read you every game, it's pretty much my default since I haven't figured out how to get a read on you... I find it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything.

We townread each other in the stupid multi-faction game. Although that should not really be used as an example because i didn't really care shit about town in that game when i figured out i can make a deal with mafia and win N1. I don't think you have seen me playing as scum though?

No, I haven't. But, yeah... Moral of the story I don't know how to read you yet.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 18:04 GMT
#1750
On July 10 2019 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh you didn't play in the two games between

I try to stay mysterious. I can't be giving it all away for free.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 18:05 GMT
#1751
I also need to save post 4000 for a battle report that I'm pretty sure I didn't save and need to re-write :-/
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 19:55 GMT
#1783
._.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 19:59 GMT
#1786
I will go back to what I said day 1, I think the game was easy to solve if we lynched EverSince day 1, when I said this, I actually thought Rayn and ES were scum team (it's in my filter) due to how Rayn and HF didn't disagree at all on this one thing that came up.

I think saving players as town is really really counter productive...
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 20:00 GMT
#1787
Very well played though, I think Eversince had a really strong power wolf game. Rayn just the right amount of not being around. And town just self-destructed.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 20:04 GMT
#1790
On July 10 2019 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you'd definitely had a better chance of solving the game if you lynched ES D1 (obviously).
Maybe you had won, maybe i would have done some different things and we would see who gets lynched when it was sure bussing had occurred. idk. You were "right" there, i say "right" because it was some specific point and i have even no idea where that came from. But maybe yeah.

I think if ES gets lynched day 1, you actually have to play. As it was, it kind of dictated how D2+ would go.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 20:12 GMT
#1794
I think Jock was super obviously town tbh.

I see where you're coming from on that point though.

I really enjoyed this game, even though it's kind of broken if you fuck up D1/N1... I mean, if you fuck up D1/N1 with a vig, you should always lose though.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 20:13 GMT
#1795
Like, I probably would have voted you over Jock due to my day 1 reasons.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 20:16 GMT
#1797
On July 10 2019 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2019 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 04:37 Conversion wrote:
well played Rayn and Eversince

fuck you Trfel for hammering me for no reason and not even addressing me at any point in the game, fuck you Jock for telling people I'm playing pissy when I wasn't, fuck you Grack for not even talking to me and calling me scum with 1 hr left to lynch, and finally a big ole fuck you to mafia MVP Pandain for lynching me for being null and then shooting Grack who you were colluding with until EoD1 to shenanigan onto me


yeah you played really really well. i didnt even have to lie or twist the facts when you got lynched for no reason at all. i was literally never prepared in you getting lynched so i didnt think i needed to do anything (if i did i would have yelled to lynch ES since i thought HF will figure me out in 1 sec if i change my mind), on that front trfel's case D2 was not so good. I think i would have had that read on Grack if i was town, i cant say for sure but i think i would have done it early on.

HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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02:18 PM ET (US)
I told you all no lynch was optimal. Always no lynch after rayn's day 2.

Why? I heavily disagree with no-lynching here, mafiajsut kills Pandain and then what?


Well because your day 2 was essentially opening up the entire game by calling the 2 townier people in the game mafia opportunistically and Eversince was known to have to afk after Friday so bussing was optimal. You played very well though either way.

Gives you a whole lot more time to make errors too and search for more mafia but I guess the two people up for lynch didn't really give that great of a defence and seemed to just give up (even though they did try I guess).

Obviously it's super different being in obs compared to in the game.

I honestly never accounted ES' "possibly afking" into anything. I would never do that. I told her if she needs to go and cant play ask for a replacement. Idk who townier people i called mafia? I only called jock mafia i think and that was after when he made that case on me which i honestly thought was soooo bad (granted idk if it was "soooo bad" since i misread one of his posts).

Idk about the last paragraph? Are you talking about D3 here earlier too or?

I think you're being critical of your play though, you never come out looking worse than Trfel tbh.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 20:19 GMT
#1800
Also, I don't think it's always TERRIBLE to hard defend someone... But you have to understand that when you do, you're betting the game on it... Because when it comes down to it, you're either successful and lose to them if they're scum... Or you're unsuccessful in which case you get lynched along with them in most cases.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 09 2019 20:28 GMT
#1808
Join my game if you want some more mafia:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549612-5p-all-cops#1

It's quite PR heavy to contrast with this one
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