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Pandain
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On July 04 2019 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why didnt you vote for grack though at the time in case you thought hes better lynch than ES? He decided to leave his vote on Grack after Grack gave a great explanation that he's lazy. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote: It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her. Why would you ever think ES goes willingly AFK? When she's currently the most likely lynch if nothing changes. And given the fact that ES is crazy active, why would she suddenly go afk now.... when she was defending herself a ton the previous day. Bad argument | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
HF: Thinking about voting for Grack. I think he's mafia Actually, I will vote for him! Grack: Hey! HF: Convince me you're town Grack: I'm just a lazy boy. HF: Sounds great to me! | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 04 2019 17:14 Trfel wrote: Pandain, my problem here is that this explanation is actually false, and in more ways than one. First, you posted your townread before I made the post in question anyway, so why does the post in question even have relevance? You even acknowledged that my townread wasn't so strong well before this point. Second, you changed your read on me from town to null before realizing that we were talking about different games. So that shouldn't affect your earlier post at all. I get that the initial point isn't that strong to begin with, but I really don't like this explanation, it's completely impossible. Does anyone else see this? I mean that the post is null because I misunderstood it. Because that post is null, you went back to a slight townread for me. I think there might be some confusion here. Maybe on my end. If you're still confused, try to explain simply and I can explain. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 04 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote: No she makes plenty of them and then responds to points which is imo worse because it looks like an excuse to leave at any point. It's unnecessary and a bad habit for mafia. Either way it reinvigorated my want to lynch her until she actually responded. You think the person with the largest filter who has been constantly responding to criticism the entire previous day suddenly chooses one hour before lynch to make an AFK excuse? | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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It's exactly what happened, just add in your nonsensical anger at ES claiming she was AFK. I invite anyone to reread the conversation: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549333-minifeast-15?page=38 | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
You're really not responding to pressure well at all. It's exactly what you said. On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote: It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her. You thought the person with the largest filter chose this time to make an AFK excuse. And that's what made you vote her, in your own words. | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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On July 04 2019 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain youre misrepping what holyflare said he did right now. Thats not even what he says. It's exactly what he's saying. He's even admitting it in the above post. He was wavering between Grack and ES. He started to say he was going to vote Grack. Then ES came in and said she was probably going to be AFK so won't be able to respond alot. HF then decides to keep his vote on EF. None of this is debatable. You can say he's town still but these facts are not debatable. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
But it clearly was acceptable enough to him to decide to vote ES for saying she would be AFK. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 04 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote: Do you think it matters if the person with the largest filter posts afk excuses? What's your point? My point is clearly that she has some subconscious need to post afk excuses when she doesn't actually need to afk. Like HF just got caught out in a lie. Now he's not debating it anymore. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
That's not even my main point. It's clear by the way that you accepted it enough, by the way, because you didn't vote him. But it's not my main point. My main point is that your trigger reason for sticking with ES is that she said she might be AFK. And that's a terrible reason. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
You were thinking about voting Grack. Here are the only two meaningful things that changed: Grack: I was lazy so I didn't post. ES: I might be AFK this upcoming hour. Based only on these two statements, you reversed your read and went back to ES. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 04 2019 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. Tjst's true Pandain. You take some post(s), when hf says why he did it you dont try to weigh the truth value of his explanayion, instead you make your own oversimplified one and say hf is lying. Explain how I'm wrong. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
None of this is debatable. And sure, I agree that you could be town and think ES's afk excuse is bad. But it makes you more suspicious because that's terrible logic. This absolutely terrible logic makes you mafia. As well as you trying to say that "I NEVER SAID THAT" when you clearly did. And you even now admit that you did say that. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 04 2019 17:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's true and this bothers me aswell. I cant go more into detail before i am home, but your final conclusion was "hf is scum for this" regardless of if hf's explanation makes sense (or should make sense) or not. I mean I think a townie could think this. But I think it's complete trash and makes him way more suspicious. I also don't like HF now trying to justify himself with other reasons why ES was suspicious, when he clearly stated above that the afk post was the reason he switched . | ||
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Pandain
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On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote: I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon. Do you think it's something mafia ES would say? Who had the largest filter in the game and was constantly responding to pressure beforehand? | ||
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