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Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:11 GMT

#941

On July 04 2019 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why didnt you vote for grack though at the time in case you thought hes better lynch than ES?

He decided to leave his vote on Grack after Grack gave a great explanation that he's lazy.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:12 GMT

#942

On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote:

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It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her.

Why would you ever think ES goes willingly AFK? When she's currently the most likely lynch if nothing changes.
And given the fact that ES is crazy active, why would she suddenly go afk now.... when she was defending herself a ton the previous day.

Bad argument

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:15 GMT

#945

Like the whole conversation between HF and Grack was so bad.

HF: Thinking about voting for Grack. I think he's mafia Actually, I will vote for him!
Grack: Hey!
HF: Convince me you're town
Grack: I'm just a lazy boy.
HF: Sounds great to me!

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:17 GMT

#946

Would not be surprised at all if HF and Grack are both mafia.

On July 04 2019 17:14 Trfel wrote:

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On July 03 2019 15:53 Pandain wrote:

On July 03 2019 07:52 Trfel wrote:

On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:

On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:

On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.

I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.

Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town.

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On July 02 2019 16:24 Pandain wrote:

On July 02 2019 16:18 Trfel wrote:

On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:

On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:

Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town.

Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game?

I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013.

Sorry, but what does the bolded section have in relevance to this? It was poorly worded, but what it meant was "after Day 1 when Eversince was obviously town/endgame when alignments were revealed".

To answer your question, her mafia game is different from her town play in a way that is difficult to replicate. Some people, a lot of people really, have trouble posting as mafia and have trouble fitting in. As a result, their posts feel more dry and formal, and socially they are more withdrawn; they focus on reads and pushes without truly getting involved or engaging much. It's not as simple as posting more, it's learning to socially engage and interact in a meaningful and relaxed way as mafia, which is really hard to learn and is unlikely to randomly change, even over time (especially without practice). Am I making sense?

Oh I'm a bad reader. I thought you were talking about this game.

[b]@Pandain[b], I really don't get this progression. Help me understand? You were townreading me, then you went to a slight townread, then you downgraded to null. Sure, whatever. What I don't get is that to explain the slight townread changing to a null, you quoted this post and bolded a phrase, shown above. And then when that turned out to be not what you thought it was, you just left it. So help me explain, how did the quote in question affect your read on me, and when it turned out to be irrelevant why did your read not adjust?

But I do like Pandain's post about Grackaroni. So I'm hesitant on him currently.

You said something like "after it became clear ES was town" and I thought you were referencing this game. That would have been a crazy definitive opinion on this game so early in the game. But it turns out you were talking about ES last game so its null

Pandain, my problem here is that this explanation is actually false, and in more ways than one.

First, you posted your townread before I made the post in question anyway, so why does the post in question even have relevance? You even acknowledged that my townread wasn't so strong well before this point.

Second, you changed your read on me from town to null before realizing that we were talking about different games. So that shouldn't affect your earlier post at all.

I get that the initial point isn't that strong to begin with, but I really don't like this explanation, it's completely impossible. Does anyone else see this?

I mean that the post is null because I misunderstood it. Because that post is null, you went back to a slight townread for me.

I think there might be some confusion here. Maybe on my end. If you're still confused, try to explain simply and I can explain.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:23 GMT

#951

On July 04 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:

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No she makes plenty of them and then responds to points which is imo worse because it looks like an excuse to leave at any point. It's unnecessary and a bad habit for mafia. Either way it reinvigorated my want to lynch her until she actually responded.

You think the person with the largest filter who has been constantly responding to criticism the entire previous day suddenly chooses one hour before lynch to make an AFK excuse?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:24 GMT

#953

Maybe Jock was a man years before his time.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:26 GMT

#956

On July 04 2019 17:23 Holyflare wrote:

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That's not what happened at all.

It's exactly what happened, just add in your nonsensical anger at ES claiming she was AFK.

I invite anyone to reread the conversation: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549333-minifeast-15?page=38

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:27 GMT

#959

On July 04 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:

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THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.

You're really not responding to pressure well at all. It's exactly what you said.

On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote:

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It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her.

You thought the person with the largest filter chose this time to make an AFK excuse. And that's what made you vote her, in your own words.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:29 GMT

#961

Vig should Vig Grack or HF imo. Not sure which would be better

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:33 GMT

#965

On July 04 2019 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain youre misrepping what holyflare said he did right now. Thats not even what he says.

It's exactly what he's saying. He's even admitting it in the above post.

He was wavering between Grack and ES. He started to say he was going to vote Grack. Then ES came in and said she was probably going to be AFK so won't be able to respond alot. HF then decides to keep his vote on EF.

None of this is debatable. You can say he's town still but these facts are not debatable.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:35 GMT

#966

And okay, I'm exagerrating that HF said that Grack's lazy excuse was acceptable. He didn't explicitly say that.

But it clearly was acceptable enough to him to decide to vote ES for saying she would be AFK.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:39 GMT

#968

On July 04 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:

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THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.

On July 04 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think it matters if the person with the largest filter posts afk excuses? What's your point? My point is clearly that she has some subconscious need to post afk excuses when she doesn't actually need to afk.

Like HF just got caught out in a lie. Now he's not debating it anymore.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:44 GMT

#971

You're right I exaggerated in that you didn't directly respond to Grack's laziness excuse.

That's not even my main point. It's clear by the way that you accepted it enough, by the way, because you didn't vote him. But it's not my main point.

My main point is that your trigger reason for sticking with ES is that she said she might be AFK. And that's a terrible reason.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:49 GMT

#975

I only brought in Grack to show the contrast.

You were thinking about voting Grack.

Here are the only two meaningful things that changed:
Grack: I was lazy so I didn't post.
ES: I might be AFK this upcoming hour.

Based only on these two statements, you reversed your read and went back to ES.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:50 GMT

#976

On July 04 2019 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Yes. Tjst's true Pandain. You take some post(s), when hf says why he did it you dont try to weigh the truth value of his explanayion, instead you make your own oversimplified one and say hf is lying.

Explain how I'm wrong.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:53 GMT

#979

You're completely misrepresenting yourself. You specifically said the reason you changed was because of ES's afk excuse. Not because you were rethinking things in general.

None of this is debatable.

And sure, I agree that you could be town and think ES's afk excuse is bad. But it makes you more suspicious because that's terrible logic.

This absolutely terrible logic makes you mafia. As well as you trying to say that "I NEVER SAID THAT" when you clearly did. And you even now admit that you did say that.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 08:54 GMT

#980

On July 04 2019 17:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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That's true and this bothers me aswell. I cant go more into detail before i am home, but your final conclusion was "hf is scum for this" regardless of if hf's explanation makes sense (or should make sense) or not.

I mean I think a townie could think this. But I think it's complete trash and makes him way more suspicious.

I also don't like HF now trying to justify himself with other reasons why ES was suspicious, when he clearly stated above that the afk post was the reason he switched .

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 09:02 GMT

#986

On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:

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I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon.

Do you think it's something mafia ES would say? Who had the largest filter in the game and was constantly responding to pressure beforehand?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 09:04 GMT

#989

I think you're mafia with Grack.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

July 04 2019 09:27 GMT

#1002

Medics should protect rayn imo