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Pfff i gotta sleep. ES so far best vote i dont buy her explanation. Kill eywa rather sooner or later if that's the level she is willing to contribute on. either mafia or gonna lose game for town anyways because noone can clear her. trfel/pandain. i dont care much tbh, if we lynch those four ppl we win every time.
so gn for tonight
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I think Eywa is the other mafia, Trfel and Pandain can be for now.
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I dont think Trfel is mafia, i think you are. Also Conv/Eywa never fucking ever did "the same things".
now sleep for real.
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gonna take a shower and go to the store real quick i'll catch up then.
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I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.
I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.
I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.
I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.
Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around.
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I see a lot of stupid arguing over the last pages. If you want to do something do something but most of the last 10 pages could just be deleted since pretty much nothing there is ever going to achieve anything into any direction. It's just pointless.
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On July 03 2019 23:04 Jockmcplop wrote: rayn you missed obviously mafia hf obviously being mafia. he isn't "obviously mafia".
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On July 03 2019 23:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:04 Jockmcplop wrote: rayn you missed obviously mafia hf obviously being mafia. he isn't "obviously mafia". Do you have any thoughts on his play so far? Yes, i think he is voting for mafia.
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On July 03 2019 23:07 Pandain wrote: Nah Conversion you're completely misunderstanding me. I never really thought you're scummy, maybe slightly town. Basically null. But you're in the "scum" pile based on process of elimination.
But based on my PoE I think the last two scum are probably you and Conversion.
Last two scum are Conversion and Conversion, nice
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On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote: And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.
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On July 04 2019 03:14 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn, what did you townread ES for in the last game? She was trying to figure out alignments.
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On July 04 2019 03:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:28 Eversince wrote:On July 04 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote: And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. Yeah because why would she say I'm good as mafia and simultaneously say I'm afk as mafia? She wouldn't. My points were about something completely different though and I don't think they're as awful as pandain and jock make them out to be. Summarize for me. because I thought your points against me where crap. But you agreed with them and said my vote is valid because of it originally lol? So clearly this means now that you're wrong somehow and it doesn't make ES mafia?
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It's amazing how i once again get scumread because someone else gives a shitty explanation for what they said earlier. no-fucking-one says "he's stupid good mafia player" if "he" just afks and dies as mafia, and when asked for a reference (they were already referring to) there isn't any. If you think someone is stupid good as town and ridiculously bad as mafia you say they are "stupid good town player / stupid good as town".
It's ridiculous how people buy every fucking bullshit someone says just because they make posts....
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On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote: I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia?
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On July 04 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote: I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia? His entrance looks uncomfortable to me. Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES. Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction. Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times. Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him. And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him. Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote. The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives?
I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here.
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On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote: And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.
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I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
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On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote: And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players. Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that. I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
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On July 04 2019 08:32 Holyflare wrote: pandain jockmcplop Grackaroni eversince trfel
People that voted conversion and posted shit all to solving the game or why they voted the way they did after they lynched the parity cop:
Pandain, jock, grack, Eversince, trfel
People that voted Eversince:
Rayn, hf, eywa, conversion
People that didn't vote the parity but still talked about reads and who to lynch after the parity cop mishap:
Hf, eywa
There's at least 2 confirmed town on the eversince wagon in myself and conversion and I'm pretty sure eywa is town too. That means that unless you all think rayn is mafia (which almost none of you do) then either eversince is town and all the mafia suddenly bandwagoned conversion to look shit at the end of the day lynching town instead of afking or there's a much more simple answer that Eversince is mafia and you played right into their objective. I am not quite certain why eywa would be super likely town in case ES happened to be town? We all made good points on ES. I could make those points as mafia, you could, why couldn't eywa? I mean the points are relevant because they are contradictions in ES filter, she herself made those posts and there is arguing against it.
I think something stinks in grackaronis complete 180 in me and conversion when it started to look like ES actually gets lynched.
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