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On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:44 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really understand what I've done that's scummy other than be marginally apathetic to the game. You must have missed the posts i made about it. They way you have gone after ES is scummy. The bad logic that seems like an excuse to vote for ES more than anything else. The way you then brought up the eywa thing even though it contradicts your own post from earlier - just to make ES look bad. Every post you make about ES seems like you're trying to get the evidence to fit instead of seeing where the evidence leads. As if you already knew who you were accusing and just need to twist the facts to make it look right. You keep referencing the bad logic but then said you're starting to see my point of view. So which is it eh? The bad logic i'm referring to is the whole 'ES got a meta read on me wrong therefore she is mafia'. It makes no sense and is stupid. On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think anyone reading my post can disagree with my point in eywa. It's different, even eywa agrees. If you are mafia es and your partner is up for lynch mafia go for lynch bait which es did even though eywa is playing similarly to last game.
My thoughts on eywa mean nothing because of several reasons:
Es never agreed with those points.
Es played with eywa literally last game.
If you take away my point on eywa, eywa looks the same as last game and es is pushing that as scummy even though literally in the last game eywa was the same. There is no hesitance. Its "oh yeah counter wagon grack is up for lynch, maybe he is scummy! But this eyway guy that's the same as last game though!"
It's superficial and contradictory to what her own thought process should be and is typical of mafia trying to find an easy lynch wagon to place a vote. Who else does es really scum read? Sure your read list can elaborate on that. Your point on eywa was specifically that eywa has played differently in this game to other games. You thne scum read ES because you say eywa has played exactly the same in this game as in the last game. You really can't see a contradiction there? You really can't see how it looks like you will say anything to make ES look bad? Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that. If you think my only continual point for lynching es is the meta read on me then you clearly have not been reading what I've said in the slightest. The meta read is bad, yes, but I've clearly made several points after that.
There was also the ''eroding' read on grack, which as far as i can tell is just a flat out lie.
She's been up and down on grack from the beginning, there's been no gradual erosion, and no hard reads either way.
As for eywa:
This is the most reasoning I think I've ever seen eywa post for a scum read in any game and it's coherent and says actual things that make people scummy.... and I kinda think that might make him mafia? :D
that's fucked up logic
The implication of this is clearly, obviously that eywa is not playing the same as usual.
If said 'holyflare, your hair looks darker today than ever before' and then yelled at someone else for saying that you look different to usual you would probably see a contradiction there, no??
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On July 04 2019 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
You've also falsely said that my vote was 3rd on the es wagon because I was scared of voting. I'd like to direct you to me voting in this thread where at least my intention of ##vote would have made me the first real voter (excluding pandain who wasn't even a real vote).
I later admitted this was wrong when it was pointed out to me by pandain.
You can see where i made the mistake, because there was a big delay between you voting in this thread and the vote thread.
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Right hf. I'm still convinced you are mafia but no-one else seems to be coming with me on this little journey into hell i'm making.
I'm leaving my vote where it is. I would highly suggest that people have a read through what I've written before they decide about hf, and don't just think to themselves 'its just hf being hf we'll go for the easy lynch instead'.
I'll be around a bit before deadline but not too much after this cos I've got to get home from work and then go play some drums.
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On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.
On July 04 2019 00:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.
Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol? I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there. Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different?
Wait a minute.
Is this my point that
STILL FUCKING STANDS
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Casually dismissive probably won't work in this case hf I'm too persistent.
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On July 04 2019 00:50 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 00:48 Jockmcplop wrote:
Casually dismissive probably won't work in this case hf I'm too persistent. It took you quite a while to get here. Care to comment?
I have literally no idea what you're trying to say.
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Do you mean the roughly 20 minutes between my last post and this one while i was on my way home from work, or are you meaning it in a more metaphorical sense??
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On July 04 2019 00:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 00:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 04 2019 00:50 Eywa- wrote:On July 04 2019 00:48 Jockmcplop wrote:
Casually dismissive probably won't work in this case hf I'm too persistent. It took you quite a while to get here. Care to comment? I have literally no idea what you're trying to say. I'm just saying you were far more enlightened last game, this game it's taken you a while to come to this point.
OK yeah, I agree.
My early posting and in fact, most of my reads, were quite poor. I think I already had this conversation with you today, actually.
I was pointing things out earlier that made sense but never really added up to a convincing read, until I got to hf, and the evidence, and especially his reactions, have convinced me that he's scum.
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On July 04 2019 01:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 00:47 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand. On July 04 2019 00:35 Pandain wrote:On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.
On July 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol? I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there. Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different? Wait a minute. Is this my point that
STILL FUCKING STANDS In regard to Jock, I think it's this point that really makes me waiver. What other points or theories does he actually have that would make him think I'm mafia? I'm pretty sure they're all gone. He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.
Why you got to make stuff up?
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This is the thing hf every time you begin to even look a little bit town you say something like this:
He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.
I have no idea why you would think that's true. It isn't at all. I have brought up the eywa thing consistently over the last few pages. You're literally just making this shit up out of nowhere.
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On July 04 2019 02:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 01:58 Jockmcplop wrote:This is the thing hf every time you begin to even look a little bit town you say something like this: He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that. I have no idea why you would think that's true. It isn't at all. I have brought up the eywa thing consistently over the last few pages. You're literally just making this shit up out of nowhere. I didn't make it up I literally quoted the post where you said it? If you still had it all along then you really misworded that post and the intention wasn't clear.
Can you quote it again please because I can't find it. Its not in this chain.
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oh I see pandain.
I said it still stands in direct response to hf saying that none of my points still stand.
The wording actually makes it really obvious because I used the same wording as hf to makeit really really obvious that i was responding to him.
hf I know 'threatening to scumread' is part of your play when you're under pressure so that doesn't really affect me.
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I just mirrored this language:
On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.
I probably should have quoted it, but i thought you would make the connection.
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This must be really tedious for everyone else.
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I would vote grack to save ES but its gotta be soon.
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Thought I'd at least give you guys the option of shenanigans
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Pandain switch to conversion with me
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I'm taking some time to re-evaluate. That was a shite day 1.
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On July 04 2019 15:26 Trfel wrote:What do you think of Holyflare? I can never read him to save my life, he could convince me to jump off a cliff  I want to say he's mafia but that makes me think he is town, he has a habit of being the opposite of what I think... I haven't really seen a ton of notable (in terms of figuring out his alignment) stuff from him, I just feel like he's started to become really manipulative since the deadline and that scares me. I didn't feel a lot of thread presence/control from him before End of Day, it felt like he kinda let it happen, and then it feels like he's been playing off of guilt ever since (pun not intended). But really I have no clue I'll read his filter and see if my perceptions are correct but I doubt it'll help me much.
Yeah I don't like hf this game to be honest. I'm going to wait until day 2 before I make any further judgements though.
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