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On July 04 2019 17:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 17:49 Pandain wrote:
I only brought in Grack to show the contrast.
You were thinking about voting Grack.
Here are the only two meaningful things that changed:
Grack: I was lazy so I didn't post.
ES: I might be AFK this upcoming hour.
Based only on these two statements, you reversed your read and went back to ES. That's true and this bothers me aswell. I cant go more into detail before i am home, but your final conclusion was "hf is scum for this" regardless of if hf's explanation makes sense (or should make sense) or not.
That's not really true. Grack posted shit all and if ES had posted nothing (bear in mind I had a case on es outstanding!) I would have voted grack.
Then she returned and said that post. I thought, eh, may as well keep my vote where it is and see what she does and how she responds to my points.
Meanwhile grack starts to say not abhorrent things about rayn that I didn't hate (how his es read didn't make sense) but I think this is a language barrier thing so what looked weird to me and grack at the time rayn explains as not weird.
THEN LITERALLY the beginning of the next page she says the points I raised were crap so I was way more focused on her because she only thought I had the meta points against her (which she said was good originally!) so I became hyper focused on that.
So, no, there is no switch because I never switched to grack in the first place. The only reason I was thinking of lynching grack in the first place was because his filter was shit and void of content vs an actual mafia case on eversince. So, yes, when my mafia case posts more things I think make her mafia then I will remain voting her. Especially as keeping her as the leading lynch wagon os beneficial for information.
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Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF?
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On July 04 2019 17:53 Pandain wrote:
You're completely misrepresenting yourself. You specifically said the reason you changed was because of ES's afk excuse. Not because you were rethinking things in general.
None of this is debatable.
And sure, I agree that you could be town and think ES's afk excuse is bad. But it makes you more suspicious because that's terrible logic.
This absolutely terrible logic makes you mafia. As well as you trying to say that "I NEVER SAID THAT" when you clearly did. And you even now admit that you did say that.
I never ever said this is the sole reason that es is more mafia than grack did I? No. I would much rather keep my vote on a mafia case who posted a really poor reentry case than a vote on grack who is purely because he's done shit all.
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On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF?
I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon.
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On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF? I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon.
But didnt you say shes been doing that continuously?
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On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF? I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon.
Do you think it's something mafia ES would say? Who had the largest filter in the game and was constantly responding to pressure beforehand?
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On July 04 2019 17:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:02 Eversince wrote:
Looks like I'm die..
I'm try to catch up but I have to go take care of animals. No promises.
It was after this post which was essentially an afk excuse when under pressure. Keep seeing them every time I bring up a case or valid points on her.
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On July 04 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 17:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 17:49 Pandain wrote:
I only brought in Grack to show the contrast.
You were thinking about voting Grack.
Here are the only two meaningful things that changed:
Grack: I was lazy so I didn't post.
ES: I might be AFK this upcoming hour.
Based only on these two statements, you reversed your read and went back to ES. That's true and this bothers me aswell. I cant go more into detail before i am home, but your final conclusion was "hf is scum for this" regardless of if hf's explanation makes sense (or should make sense) or not. That's not really true. Grack posted shit all and if ES had posted nothing (bear in mind I had a case on es outstanding!) I would have voted grack. Then she returned and said that post. I thought, eh, may as well keep my vote where it is and see what she does and how she responds to my points. Meanwhile grack starts to say not abhorrent things about rayn that I didn't hate (how his es read didn't make sense) but I think this is a language barrier thing so what looked weird to me and grack at the time rayn explains as not weird. THEN LITERALLY the beginning of the next page she says the points I raised were crap so I was way more focused on her because she only thought I had the meta points against her (which she said was good originally!) so I became hyper focused on that. So, no, there is no switch because I never switched to grack in the first place. The only reason I was thinking of lynching grack in the first place was because his filter was shit and void of content vs an actual mafia case on eversince. So, yes, when my mafia case posts more things I think make her mafia then I will remain voting her. Especially as keeping her as the leading lynch wagon os beneficial for information.
You either believe this post or you do not. If you do not then call me mafia for the rest of the game. If you do believe it then move on. I will speak nothing further of this point because it is absolutely irrelevant unless you think I'm specifically mafia with grack which only rayn has kind of hinted at the possibility of.
And even then it's terrible because I'm just doing what I do and pushing my mafia reads.
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I think you're mafia with Grack.
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On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF?
I literally just went to the last game and found 8 examples in the first couple of pages of ES's filter of her mentioning that she was leaving the thread or not going to be int he thread for much longer. In some of those, she stays around for a bit and then leaves.
To me, that just says that she loves playing mafia and has to tear herself away from it and convince herself to leave.
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Maybe i worded poorly. Do you remember es posting "afk excuses" vefore the es/grack thing in this game and if she did, why wasnt that in your case since you think its scummy?
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On July 04 2019 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF? I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon. But didnt you say shes been doing that continuously?
Every time I skim the thread I see something like "oh gtg bye!" yes.
Whether she does it all the time or does it as town I don't know nor really care. Nothing to do with her afk excuse is the sole reason I'm scum reading her. It's probably about the lowest reason I can think of. It was a good enough reason for me to want to keep pressure on her until she answered my points though.
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On July 04 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF? I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon. But didnt you say shes been doing that continuously? Every time I skim the thread I see something like "oh gtg bye!" yes. Whether she does it all the time or does it as town I don't know nor really care. Nothing to do with her afk excuse is the sole reason I'm scum reading her. It's probably about the lowest reason I can think of. It was a good enough reason for me to want to keep pressure on her until she answered my points though.
Was it a good enough reason to literally try and kill her instead of grack at a vital moment?
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On July 04 2019 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe i worded poorly. Do you remember es posting "afk excuses" vefore the es/grack thing in this game and if she did, why wasnt that in your case since you think its scummy?
Vaguely, yes. I think you're not really thinking from the perspective that I had 0 investment into the game. I'll be at work skim thread and not care. Yes, she probably posted a lot of those and I noticed but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and not care. UNTIL it relates to me and points I raise and call people mafia for. Dumb? Maybe.
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I know what youre saying. I get it. I am just trying to figure out if i should believe it or not.
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On July 04 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF? I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon. But didnt you say shes been doing that continuously? Every time I skim the thread I see something like "oh gtg bye!" yes. Whether she does it all the time or does it as town I don't know nor really care. Nothing to do with her afk excuse is the sole reason I'm scum reading her. It's probably about the lowest reason I can think of. It was a good enough reason for me to want to keep pressure on her until she answered my points though. Was it a good enough reason to literally try and kill her instead of grack at a vital moment?
Are you intentionally dense? I had a mafia case on ES and it wasn't very close to deadline so, yes, it is a good reason to keep my vote on someone I think is mafia to force them to generate content?
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Well coffee break is over. I will go over this kn more detail when i get off work.
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On July 04 2019 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well coffee break is over. I will go over this kn more detail when i get off work.
Please don't it's a massive waste of time. Es is mafia and I'm going to get shot. The odds of that just ever decrease the more this nonsense goes on. Why can't you guys just wait till after the night to post stuff about me? Really stupid.
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On July 04 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 04 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 18:01 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did ES ever post "afk excuses" before this game and if she did, why didnt you care about it enough to add it to your case earlier HF? I have literally no idea, it's just something I see skimming through the thread. You're conflating the reasoning anyway! I just think it's a bad reentry post to make when there are multiple points against you and you're the leading wagon. But didnt you say shes been doing that continuously? Every time I skim the thread I see something like "oh gtg bye!" yes. Whether she does it all the time or does it as town I don't know nor really care. Nothing to do with her afk excuse is the sole reason I'm scum reading her. It's probably about the lowest reason I can think of. It was a good enough reason for me to want to keep pressure on her until she answered my points though. Was it a good enough reason to literally try and kill her instead of grack at a vital moment? Are you intentionally dense? I had a mafia case on ES and it wasn't very close to deadline so, yes, it is a good reason to keep my vote on someone I think is mafia to force them to generate content?
Intentionally dense lol.
THAT'S THE NAME OF MY NEW BAND
So, and I'm sorry that you've explained all of this over the course of about 25 different posts but I'm trying to get it all in order so I know exactly what you are saying and cna judge on those terms..
Way before deadline
You had a case on ES and were pushing
You said that you would probably prefer to kill grack but could kill either
You noticed ES was making afk excuses so you kept your vote on her to force her to generate content
Just before deadline
ES still generating content, arguing with you about your case on her
Grack still doing nothing, generating zero content.
About 15-20 minutes before deadline, the wagon on grack builds to the point where a single vote switch would kill grack instead of ES. You keep your vote on ES.
I'm not accusing you of anything here, but your arguments are difficult to follow so I'm trying to understand what you're saying.
At this point 15-20 minutes before deadline, exactly what was your reason for sticking with ES rather than switching to Grack, as you earlier indicated you would?
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On July 04 2019 18:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well coffee break is over. I will go over this kn more detail when i get off work. Please don't it's a massive waste of time. Es is mafia and I'm going to get shot. The odds of that just ever decrease the more this nonsense goes on. Why can't you guys just wait till after the night to post stuff about me? Really stupid.
Because if i get shot instead i fear people will do something stupid.
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