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On July 03 2019 17:44 Eversince wrote: I've already said what I feel about Grack. His poor contribution after I defend him so hard is bleh though. I'd be ok with lynching him to be honest. On July 03 2019 17:49 Eversince wrote: No actually Grack can wait I still think what Ewya did is so scummy, This needs dealt with first. Does this look like "slowly eroding a town read" to you? It's the opposite, Holyflare. | ||
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I agree it's not optimal play, but I could easily see ES just freaking out a little and trying to lynch someone else. | ||
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On July 03 2019 22:35 Pandain wrote: It's unlikely Eywa is scum if grack is town* I mean ES here of course | ||
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But if Grack is town, I don't think ES is mafia. | ||
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But based on my PoE I think the last two scum are probably you and Conversion. | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:07 Pandain wrote: Nah Conversion you're completely misunderstanding me. I never really thought you're scummy, maybe slightly town. Basically null. But you're in the "scum" pile based on process of elimination. But based on my PoE I think the last two scum are probably you and Conversion. To clarify, even now I don't really have any reasons to call you scummy. You've done pretty much nothing this game. I just think you're scum based on PoE | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote: @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. I also read it like this. Case in point: Right afterwards he said "If he's town he'll figure things out!" | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote: If you think my only continual point for lynching es is the meta read on me then you clearly have not been reading what I've said in the slightest. The meta read is bad, yes, but I've clearly made several points after that. To be fair it was your only stated reason until you got pressured by jock. | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 03 2019 23:44 Jockmcplop wrote: [QUOTE]On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: [QUOTE]On July 03 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote: [QUOTE]On July 03 2019 23:15 Holyflare wrote: Don't really understand what I've done that's scummy other than be marginally apathetic to the game. [/QUOTE] You must have missed the posts i made about it. They way you have gone after ES is scummy. The bad logic that seems like an excuse to vote for ES more than anything else. The way you then brought up the eywa thing even though it contradicts your own post from earlier - just to make ES look bad. Every post you make about ES seems like you're trying to get the evidence to fit instead of seeing where the evidence leads. As if you already knew who you were accusing and just need to twist the facts to make it look right.[/QUOTE] You keep referencing the bad logic but then said you're starting to see my point of view. So which is it eh? [/QUOTE] The bad logic i'm referring to is the whole 'ES got a meta read on me wrong therefore she is mafia'. It makes no sense and is stupid. [QUOTE]On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: I don't think anyone reading my post can disagree with my point in eywa. It's different, even eywa agrees. If you are mafia es and your partner is up for lynch mafia go for lynch bait which es did even though eywa is playing similarly to last game. My thoughts on eywa mean nothing because of several reasons: Es never agreed with those points. Es played with eywa literally last game. If you take away my point on eywa, eywa looks the same as last game and es is pushing that as scummy even though literally in the last game eywa was the same. There is no hesitance. Its "oh yeah counter wagon grack is up for lynch, maybe he is scummy! But this eyway guy that's the same as last game though!" It's superficial and contradictory to what her own thought process should be and is typical of mafia trying to find an easy lynch wagon to place a vote. Who else does es really scum read? Sure your read list can elaborate on that. [/QUOTE] Your point on eywa was specifically that eywa has played differently in this game to other games. You thne scum read ES because you say eywa has played exactly the same in this game as in the last game. You really can't see a contradiction there? You really can't see how it looks like you will say anything to make ES look bad? [/QUOTE] Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that. If you think my only continual point for lynching es is the meta read on me then you clearly have not been reading what I've said in the slightest. The meta read is bad, yes, but I've clearly made se | ||
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On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote: Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that. On July 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote: I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there. Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different? | ||
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On July 04 2019 00:52 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you mean the roughly 20 minutes between my last post and this one while i was on my way home from work, or are you meaning it in a more metaphorical sense?? Maybe he meant it spiritually | ||
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On July 04 2019 01:25 Holyflare wrote: No, I thought I posted that eywa looks exactly the same since that's what I've based most of my reads off of. I didn't though. The point about eywa posting explanations does not mean eywa is playing differently, just that eywa posted something out of the norm. Eywa still looks the same to me other than that. @Jock, this is what I said to you earlier. I don't think it's really a contradiction. Eywa is playing *basically* the same, but there were one or two posts that were more cogent than normal. But that's not really playing different I think you should rethink your vote. By the way, to anyone who thought Convo should get townie points for being aggressive, I invite you to look at these two posts from his last mafia game. On May 20 2019 20:31 Conversion wrote: the fuck is Jock shitting on me for when I was literally on a plane and how are people eating that bullshit up as a scum read dude literally shared a scum read with me in a post and then still scumreads me stay classy in other news disfo still has done nothing and I’m still hearing a lot of white noise on other people so we should lynch disfo. I’m heading to work now so hopefully I can llay at lunch or something On May 20 2019 20:33 Conversion wrote: like i think it’s incredibly disingenous to cal me flaky and apologetic and trying to lurk for not doing much when the only other person that pointed disfo out at the point was rayn at that point. also fuck you why would i ever make an irl excuse when i can just literally disappear. also double fuck you because i didnt play the last game i was in because i lost my job | ||
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On July 04 2019 01:29 Holyflare wrote: It's quite clear that I thought that way since, you know, I've based the majority of my scum read on es talking that way. It was clear to me too, at first. But then those two posts were sort of vague and made me rethink if I was over-justifying what you thought. | ||
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On July 04 2019 01:49 Holyflare wrote: In regard to Jock, I think it's this point that really makes me waiver. What other points or theories does he actually have that would make him think I'm mafia? I'm pretty sure they're all gone. He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that. He's just tunneled. Townie's do it all the time. When you're tunneled, you won't accept explanations from your scum read even if they're logical. Even if Jock has accepted your explanation, he still will think that's just a (bad) alternative explanation and not what you were actually trying to say. For instance, your initial meta read on Eywa was terrible. Jock correctly pointed that out, and even you admit now it was really bad. Now, when you offer "other reasons" why you are still voting Eywa, it will seem fake to him. And honestly to me they're not really good reasons anyway. The reason I think Jock is town is because it's extremely clear he's trying to analyze and think about the game. He's engaged in constant conversation, his reads are constantly evolving, he's made a spreadsheet(albeit simple and a little wrong), he's pushing his reads and defending those he thinks he's town. I don't think he's a good enough mafia player to be able to fake this. He's arguably the most active person in the thread (since ES is mostly spam). | ||
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