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Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches.
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On July 04 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia? His entrance looks uncomfortable to me. Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES. Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction. Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times. Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him. And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him. Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote.
The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives?
I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here.
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On July 04 2019 04:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:13 Holyflare wrote:On July 04 2019 04:10 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 04:42 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 04:41 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 04:40 Eversince wrote:
So you're saying I'm an info lynch? I'm saying I think you're mafia. Make up your mind here. I'm mafia, RNG, and now back to mafia. Why? On July 03 2019 04:56 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 04:47 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 04:42 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 04:41 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 04:40 Eversince wrote:
So you're saying I'm an info lynch? I'm saying I think you're mafia. Make up your mind here. I'm mafia, RNG, and now back to mafia. Why? No, I've always said you're mafia, a role which you obtained via RNG. Ok. That's the most bullshit reason ever! I'm sorry for the strong language but this crap everyone is m!ES reading me is total crap. You put a scum read on me BECAUSE FF RNG me mafia. If that is the entirety of your read that's just junk! There is so much else in the thread and adide from you evading Rayn you've done nothing. Literally trying to be around and engage with people again, get thread moving, explain my thoughts, own to mistakes, What in all of this makes you think I'm scum? Because I found it scummy Conv went after me for these reasons. I'm find it worst becuase you mia and then jump on these same reasons. On July 03 2019 05:01 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 05:00 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 04:58 Eversince wrote:
I apologies for the bad spelling btw. I'm so tired right now I could fall over.. I didn't through, I'm reading you as mafia because you're mafia by play. What IN my play has seemed scum to you? On July 03 2019 05:14 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 05:07 Eywa- wrote:
Idk, feels like you've slipped a bunch and you're reluctant to just tell people they're wrong when reading you. You on multiple occasions tiptoed around that either indicating you don't like the way you're being read or that you felt a read on you was justified (despite it being a mafia read)
You also haven't provided much substance imo despite aggressively posting (I know, I'm the one talking...)
Overall, I'm failing to see any reason to not lynch you. Hopefully this falls into the category of sufficient justification, because I won't be going into any of the scum theater, that's discussion for another day.
Throw your vote down and stop saying how much you don't like my position, if you don't like it, put your vote where your mouth is. Yes maby I am to nice to people. Starting a game how is that bad? To me it seems like your taking easy town lynch because I CAN'T play the same every game. So just kill her. Maby I think about this wrong. Maby I just need to be assholes to everyone. But that is not who I am so I can't do it!! On July 03 2019 05:44 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 05:41 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 05:31 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 05:14 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 05:07 Eywa- wrote:
Idk, feels like you've slipped a bunch and you're reluctant to just tell people they're wrong when reading you. You on multiple occasions tiptoed around that either indicating you don't like the way you're being read or that you felt a read on you was justified (despite it being a mafia read)
You also haven't provided much substance imo despite aggressively posting (I know, I'm the one talking...)
Overall, I'm failing to see any reason to not lynch you. Hopefully this falls into the category of sufficient justification, because I won't be going into any of the scum theater, that's discussion for another day.
Throw your vote down and stop saying how much you don't like my position, if you don't like it, put your vote where your mouth is. Yes maby I am to nice to people. Starting a game how is that bad? To me it seems like your taking easy town lynch because I CAN'T play the same every game. So just kill her. Maby I think about this wrong. Maby I just need to be assholes to everyone. But that is not who I am so I can't do it!! Nah, your start to this game (basically your entire first page of game (not including pre-game) filter is: I start every town game with just spamming up the thread trying to talk to people!1) trying to pocket Pandain Pocket Pandain? I've actively not wanted to scum read him for bad reasons. I already said I don't get his logic. I don't want to waste entire game waffling him again!2) random town read on first player to post See above3) trying to pocket Pandain Assume this is a repeat, see above4) AtE I don't know what AtE means so I can respond here.There's some random comment about how you don't mind conversion (that was contradicted like 2-3 posts later - and then later escalated again). where?Overall, here's a summary... You're all over that AtE this game You're always coming back to Pandain mafia and claiming that his read on you is wrong... Well, if he's mafia... He's not wrong is he? He's just... Well, Mafia. Yes. But it makes no sense for t!ES to mud up the thread because Pandain is doing nothing so.You went through a phase of trying to name drop every player in the game, which lead to some reads escalating rather... Strangely. I went through a 'phase' of trying to recall thing on players I've played with for years. I owned up to were I made mistakes.You seem to be displaying a complete lack of understanding for why anyone is being read in certain ways rather than seeing things from their (town) perspective. That totally explains why I have a scum read on you right?I'm voting ES now, I'll be voting ES at end of day as well. Ok? I think? Basically to sum it up. I think it's trash to come in throw a vote on me. Doesn't explain anything. Leave.. Come back and respond with more useless crap because 'ES is mafia so ignore' Rinse repeat. I give Conv a little more room because at the point he did it wouldn't matter. I still think it's a iffy reason to vote but his vote is leading to nothing there. The first 2 quotes are Eywa trolling you. The last 2 quotes look like fine reasons to think you're mafia? Do you not remember Eywa posting the exact same things in the last game as town?
Yes but she's heartlessly throwing away a vote on me. It's for crap reasons so of course I'm going to fight off the side of a cliff.
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On July 04 2019 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's amazing how i once again get scumread because someone else gives a shitty explanation for what they said earlier. no-fucking-one says "he's stupid good mafia player" if "he" just afks and dies as mafia, and when asked for a reference (they were already referring to) there isn't any. If you think someone is stupid good as town and ridiculously bad as mafia you say they are "stupid good town player / stupid good as town".
It's ridiculous how people buy every fucking bullshit someone says just because they make posts.... No one thinks you are mafia for this, I just wanted to better understand your read on Eversince. Sorry it came across wrongly, thanks for explaining.
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On July 04 2019 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's amazing how i once again get scumread because someone else gives a shitty explanation for what they said earlier. no-fucking-one says "he's stupid good mafia player" if "he" just afks and dies as mafia, and when asked for a reference (they were already referring to) there isn't any. If you think someone is stupid good as town and ridiculously bad as mafia you say they are "stupid good town player / stupid good as town".
It's ridiculous how people buy every fucking bullshit someone says just because they make posts....
The only one scumreading you for this is Grack
Everyone else just thinks its a mistake.
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On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player.
that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.
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On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.
Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that.
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On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.
Okay, I get you now.
It's still NAI. This is a dumb sort of contradiction that is easy to make if you don't think too hard about it. For instance, I could say "I think Rayn can play a good scum game" and still think you will slip up later on.
I see what you're saying, it's just a weak argument
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On July 04 2019 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:On July 04 2019 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 03:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm up for burying Conversion though. Why is Conversion mafia? His entrance looks uncomfortable to me. Hiis first post that I originally liked was focusing on ES repeatedly making meta reads on me and saying she doesn't want to tunnel on Pandain, which are both weird things but not things that are more likely to come from mafia ES than town ES. Then he has a big post bothering Pandain for having him as a null read while saying that he would lynch him, which wasn't a contradiction. Then he says that ES isn't trying hard enough to lynch him and that she's only mentioned him 13 times. Then there's more complaining about Pandain pushing him. And then he came back for more complaining about ES pushing him. Conversion is really good at getting town reads from making emotional posts, but I haven't really seen anything to make me think that he's trying to solve the game, and I have a pretty big circle of town reads already so I think he's a good vote. The first two things i think are actually "reads". Other stuff (aside from the last sentence) is just what Conversion has posted. I mean you can't really say "conversion posted this and that, he's mafia", that's not really a read. My problem is the first two things (the read ones) were posted before you EVER mention Conversion in your filter, and youu only do it once, and you call him your strongest town read. So what gives? I could understand last sentence as PoE but since your read on him (based on your filter) was almost confirmed town i don't understand how he flips on your scum side of reads? I understand you can possibly change opinion ans hit when you read more but to me nothing in your filter rn indicates i should believe what you say here.
I liked that he made a long post and seemed to have some kind of a thought process because I remember watching him struggle to push through meta cases in his last mafia game but I haven't liked other posts he's been making since then and other people have got townier in the meantime. You also dropped down from the top town tier to the bottom. I just kept getting more town reads on people and had to re-evaluate a lot.
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I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
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I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.
Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.
Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack)
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On July 04 2019 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches.
It's ok. I hope you don't mind I do the same. I'm town so surviving is high on my list. I didn't want to lynch you yet though because I figured you'd play.
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On July 04 2019 04:21 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's amazing how i once again get scumread because someone else gives a shitty explanation for what they said earlier. no-fucking-one says "he's stupid good mafia player" if "he" just afks and dies as mafia, and when asked for a reference (they were already referring to) there isn't any. If you think someone is stupid good as town and ridiculously bad as mafia you say they are "stupid good town player / stupid good as town".
It's ridiculous how people buy every fucking bullshit someone says just because they make posts.... The only one scumreading you for this is Grack Everyone else just thinks its a mistake.
I don't know why?
How was Rayn able to make such a confident town read on Eversince in the last game if it wasn't a tone read? And if it was a tone read than why is he nitpicking on those two things over her filter as a whole?
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On July 04 2019 04:24 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches. It's ok. I hope you don't mind I do the same. I'm town so surviving is high on my list. I didn't want to lynch you yet though because I figured you'd play.
THIS is my point exactly.
WHY do you figure he'll just randomly play instead of being mafia??????????????
BUT THEN you say during the day "grack is being useless, maybe he's a good vote!"????????
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Pandain switch to conversion with me
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Whatever.
The arguments against ES are the dumbest thing ever. But hurry up and lynch him and see how wrong you guys were.
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On July 04 2019 04:24 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches. It's ok. I hope you don't mind I do the same. I'm town so surviving is high on my list. I didn't want to lynch you yet though because I figured you'd play.
I expected as such. 
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On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain switch to conversion with me
I switched.
Who else wants to join?
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On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.) @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince? Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment. She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment. I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't. That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player. that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players. Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that.
I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
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On July 04 2019 04:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 04:24 Eversince wrote:On July 04 2019 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Eversince but I am selfish and nobody is considering other lynches. It's ok. I hope you don't mind I do the same. I'm town so surviving is high on my list. I didn't want to lynch you yet though because I figured you'd play. THIS is my point exactly. WHY do you figure he'll just randomly play instead of being mafia?????????????? BUT THEN you say during the day "grack is being useless, maybe he's a good vote!"????????
Because he's FORCED to play as mafia. t!Grack doesn't care here and want to be useful so to AVOID this happening! Why so hard to understand?
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