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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 14:15 GMT
#681
Don't really understand what I've done that's scummy other than be marginally apathetic to the game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 14:31 GMT
#687
On July 03 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really understand what I've done that's scummy other than be marginally apathetic to the game.


You must have missed the posts i made about it.

They way you have gone after ES is scummy. The bad logic that seems like an excuse to vote for ES more than anything else. The way you then brought up the eywa thing even though it contradicts your own post from earlier - just to make ES look bad.

Every post you make about ES seems like you're trying to get the evidence to fit instead of seeing where the evidence leads. As if you already knew who you were accusing and just need to twist the facts to make it look right.


You keep referencing the bad logic but then said you're starting to see my point of view. So which is it eh?

I don't think anyone reading my post can disagree with my point in eywa. It's different, even eywa agrees. If you are mafia es and your partner is up for lynch mafia go for lynch bait which es did even though eywa is playing similarly to last game.

My thoughts on eywa mean nothing because of several reasons:

Es never agreed with those points.
Es played with eywa literally last game.

If you take away my point on eywa, eywa looks the same as last game and es is pushing that as scummy even though literally in the last game eywa was the same. There is no hesitance. Its "oh yeah counter wagon grack is up for lynch, maybe he is scummy! But this eyway guy that's the same as last game though!"

It's superficial and contradictory to what her own thought process should be and is typical of mafia trying to find an easy lynch wagon to place a vote. Who else does es really scum read? Sure your read list can elaborate on that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 14:32 GMT
#688
On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
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On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
@Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 14:58 GMT
#690
On July 03 2019 23:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really understand what I've done that's scummy other than be marginally apathetic to the game.


You must have missed the posts i made about it.

They way you have gone after ES is scummy. The bad logic that seems like an excuse to vote for ES more than anything else. The way you then brought up the eywa thing even though it contradicts your own post from earlier - just to make ES look bad.

Every post you make about ES seems like you're trying to get the evidence to fit instead of seeing where the evidence leads. As if you already knew who you were accusing and just need to twist the facts to make it look right.


You keep referencing the bad logic but then said you're starting to see my point of view. So which is it eh?


The bad logic i'm referring to is the whole 'ES got a meta read on me wrong therefore she is mafia'. It makes no sense and is stupid.
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On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think anyone reading my post can disagree with my point in eywa. It's different, even eywa agrees. If you are mafia es and your partner is up for lynch mafia go for lynch bait which es did even though eywa is playing similarly to last game.

My thoughts on eywa mean nothing because of several reasons:

Es never agreed with those points.
Es played with eywa literally last game.

If you take away my point on eywa, eywa looks the same as last game and es is pushing that as scummy even though literally in the last game eywa was the same. There is no hesitance. Its "oh yeah counter wagon grack is up for lynch, maybe he is scummy! But this eyway guy that's the same as last game though!"

It's superficial and contradictory to what her own thought process should be and is typical of mafia trying to find an easy lynch wagon to place a vote. Who else does es really scum read? Sure your read list can elaborate on that.


Your point on eywa was specifically that eywa has played differently in this game to other games.

You thne scum read ES because you say eywa has played exactly the same in this game as in the last game.

You really can't see a contradiction there? You really can't see how it looks like you will say anything to make ES look bad?


Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.

If you think my only continual point for lynching es is the meta read on me then you clearly have not been reading what I've said in the slightest. The meta read is bad, yes, but I've clearly made several points after that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 15:01 GMT
#691
You've also falsely said that my vote was 3rd on the es wagon because I was scared of voting. I'd like to direct you to me voting in this thread where at least my intention of ##vote would have made me the first real voter (excluding pandain who wasn't even a real vote).
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 15:02 GMT
#692
So, jock, are you an overzealous townie doing what you're accusing me of, twisting a narrative to fit your view that I'm mafia, or are you just mafia?

+ Show Spoiler +
I think you're town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 15:05 GMT
#695
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 15:08 GMT
#697
On July 04 2019 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol?


This was to pandain.

Completely fair though, I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there. Definitely thought it though and that's how I've ended up on es longer.

If it's not clear, eywa feels exactly the same as last game but just did something that was massively out of character.

Es did not reference this out of character thing so all there is to go by for es is that eywa is the same.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 15:26 GMT
#699
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 16:25 GMT
#712
On July 04 2019 00:35 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:

Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol?




I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there.


Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different?


No, I thought I posted that eywa looks exactly the same since that's what I've based most of my reads off of. I didn't though.

The point about eywa posting explanations does not mean eywa is playing differently, just that eywa posted something out of the norm. Eywa still looks the same to me other than that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 16:29 GMT
#713
It's quite clear that I thought that way since, you know, I've based the majority of my scum read on es talking that way.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 16:31 GMT
#714
I really don't know why I have to explain myself 5 times saying the same thing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 16:32 GMT
#716
On July 03 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really understand what I've done that's scummy other than be marginally apathetic to the game.


You must have missed the posts i made about it.

They way you have gone after ES is scummy. The bad logic that seems like an excuse to vote for ES more than anything else. The way you then brought up the eywa thing even though it contradicts your own post from earlier - just to make ES look bad.

Every post you make about ES seems like you're trying to get the evidence to fit instead of seeing where the evidence leads. As if you already knew who you were accusing and just need to twist the facts to make it look right.


You keep referencing the bad logic but then said you're starting to see my point of view. So which is it eh?

I don't think anyone reading my post can disagree with my point in eywa. It's different, even eywa agrees. If you are mafia es and your partner is up for lynch mafia go for lynch bait which es did even though eywa is playing similarly to last game.

My thoughts on eywa mean nothing because of several reasons:

Es never agreed with those points.
Es played with eywa literally last game.

If you take away my point on eywa, eywa looks the same as last game and es is pushing that as scummy even though literally in the last game eywa was the same. There is no hesitance. Its "oh yeah counter wagon grack is up for lynch, maybe he is scummy! But this eyway guy that's the same as last game though!"

It's superficial and contradictory to what her own thought process should be and is typical of mafia trying to find an easy lynch wagon to place a vote. Who else does es really scum read? Sure your read list can elaborate on that.


I reference it several times even. It's nothing new. Please don't cherry pick something you think you caught me out on when I've already acknowledged the argument.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 16:37 GMT
#718
I think Pandain and eywa are town for what it's worth. I wouldn't clear rayn because his logic doesn't really hold up but I don't want to get in a shit fight about it so I'll ignore it and see how it goes. I got the feeling jock was overzealous townie that thought he had something on me and that looked good but he's pushed it a smidge too far for my liking so I'm downgrading him.

Conversion/grack/es/rayn/trfl/jock

It's a big list but I really haven't given a shit about the game until now so I'll narrow it down when I'm home.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 16:49 GMT
#719
On July 04 2019 00:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2019 00:35 Pandain wrote:
On July 03 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:

Point me to the place where I say eywa is playing so differently in this game to the last. I guarantee you can't because I never said that.


On July 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2019 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but it's clearly not anymore is it lol?




I've never said eywa looked the same so you got me there.


Explain this. So you admit you did say eywa looks different?


Wait a minute.
Is this my point that

STILL FUCKING STANDS


In regard to Jock, I think it's this point that really makes me waiver. What other points or theories does he actually have that would make him think I'm mafia? I'm pretty sure they're all gone. He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 16:54 GMT
#720
If I had to choose between Grack or ES for a lynch I'd probably choose grack tbh. His filter is void of literally aby content. People are town, he guesses I could maybe be mafia. Es is town because of bathtub? Drunk posting that doesn't even look drunk?

Dumb and probably mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 17:00 GMT
#724
On July 04 2019 01:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
This is the thing hf every time you begin to even look a little bit town you say something like this:

Show nested quote +
He didn't even realise this was still a point for him until someone pointed it out again yet I was still mafia to him before that.


I have no idea why you would think that's true. It isn't at all. I have brought up the eywa thing consistently over the last few pages. You're literally just making this shit up out of nowhere.


I didn't make it up I literally quoted the post where you said it? If you still had it all along then you really misworded that post and the intention wasn't clear.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 17:04 GMT
#728
?? I mean it's quite clear I thought exactly what pandain just said.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 17:07 GMT
#732
On July 04 2019 02:06 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just mirrored this language:

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On July 04 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
I literally have no idea how you still think I'm mafia when none of your points still stand.


I probably should have quoted it, but i thought you would make the connection.


I wouldn't make the connection because I explained that point multiple times.

Hey ho let's move on to actual mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 17:30 GMT
#739
On July 04 2019 02:14 Pandain wrote:
I still want to hear thoughts on Conf. I still think he's another viable lynch.


On tube. Will look into when home.
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