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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 28 2019 06:12 GMT
#7
/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 01 2019 06:58 GMT
#39
/confirm
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 07:20 GMT
#150
On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?

Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh.
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.


Do you feel like this applies to you this game trfel?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 07:28 GMT
#156
I don't like Pandain deciding to town read trfel, hearing trfel say his read wasn't that strong but THEN saying "I don't think trfel would make such a strong town read as mafia because that ties his hands."

Feels like you ignored everything trfel was saying. Don't hate the picking up on grack and conversion later but the trfel thing, especially downgrading your read after for something not relevant at all (the bolded thing you highlighted) looks like you're just winging your read and aren't thinking it through.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 08:18 GMT
#175
On July 02 2019 17:15 Eversince wrote:
Where did HF go?


Here
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 08:25 GMT
#179
You seem the same as last game tone wise but your content is completely lacking. You've essentially defended pretty much everyone when they were called mafia saying "Where's their agenda?" which I don't like at all sooo at the moment you're quite low down on my scum list.

Trfel seems like a robot. I like all his content but absolutely feel like he's playing how he says he plays as mafia (although he seems to not agree (shocking)).

Jock looks fine.

Rayn is here I guess.

Grack/conversion obviously look mediocre.

Nothing really unique to add. Disappointed nobody even quoted my pandain post, I thought it was quite good.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 08:43 GMT
#183
On July 02 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On July 02 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
You seem the same as last game tone wise but your content is completely lacking. You've essentially defended pretty much everyone when they were called mafia saying "Where's their agenda?" which I don't like at all sooo at the moment you're quite low down on my scum list.

Trfel seems like a robot. I like all his content but absolutely feel like he's playing how he says he plays as mafia (although he seems to not agree (shocking)).

Jock looks fine.

Rayn is here I guess.

Grack/conversion obviously look mediocre.

Nothing really unique to add. Disappointed nobody even quoted my pandain post, I thought it was quite good.


I didn't quote your pandain post, but i did take notice of it and it prompted me to have a closer look at him, hence my posting since.

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On July 02 2019 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
I don't like Pandain deciding to town read trfel, hearing trfel say his read wasn't that strong but THEN saying "I don't think trfel would make such a strong town read as mafia because that ties his hands."

Feels like you ignored everything trfel was saying. Don't hate the picking up on grack and conversion later but the trfel thing, especially downgrading your read after for something not relevant at all (the bolded thing you highlighted) looks like you're just winging your read and aren't thinking it through.


That surely applies to his scum read of ES too, right?


No idea what his es read is lol. Null read or something?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 16:00 GMT
#259
I feel like I'm a named townie again nobody has even thrown me in a mafia pile.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 16:17 GMT
#275
On July 03 2019 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I lied though, i had no idea HF has played so many games.


Only 15 more. I played the most games in 2015, 2017 and 2018 on the site though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 16:17 GMT
#276
Don't expect anything from me until I'm home.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 16:19 GMT
#278
On July 03 2019 01:06 Eversince wrote:
Yeah and he just didn't care most of it because he found the game boring. He was mod confirmed though.


That was literally the last game lol!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 16:51 GMT
#307
On July 03 2019 01:22 Eversince wrote:
I can go rummage my play history but I don't see the point in it Rayn. If you've been here so long (I know you have), you know HF can play a mean town game. If he's mafia he'll drop off and we lynch him. Where are you going with this?


You're mafia.

##vote Eversince
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 17:11 GMT
#327
In no planet am I ever an afk mafia. I think I'm the most try hard mafia player on this site even. This is exactly what someone feigning a meta read on me would say if they know I'm town and how I play as town and would expect me to come back and post content.

If you believe this meta I've made like 2-3 posts this entire game so I'm way more likely mafia with that meta than last game but it's an out for me to look more town (because I am!)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 17:19 GMT
#331
On July 03 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 03 2019 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
In no planet am I ever an afk mafia. I think I'm the most try hard mafia player on this site even.

True. Why does she say otherwise as mafia?


Because she doesn't know my meta and has been asked to give a read on me and I have little to no content. She knows I'm town and that I get shot by mafia so she says the truth, that I'm likely to come back and post more if town but then obviously has to arbitrarily fit in the alternative to make it look like she's weighing up my alignment but she got it way wrong. How does she know I'm likely to be shot as town because I'm good at mafia and mafia fear me but not know my mafia meta?

It sounds like she just knows hf = vet = apply generic vet meta.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 17:20 GMT
#332
On July 03 2019 02:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2019 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
In no planet am I ever an afk mafia. I think I'm the most try hard mafia player on this site even.

True. Why does she say otherwise as mafia?


Because she doesn't know my meta and has been asked to give a read on me and I have little to no content. She knows I'm town and that I get shot by mafia so she says the truth, that I'm likely to come back and post more if town but then obviously has to arbitrarily fit in the alternative to make it look like she's weighing up my alignment but she got it way wrong. How does she know I'm likely to be shot as town because I'm good at mafia and mafia fear me but not know my mafia meta?

It sounds like she just knows hf = vet = apply generic vet meta.


It's really evident because you asked her for my town meta games and she only talked about the last one being my meta.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 17:46 GMT
#351
On July 03 2019 02:39 Eversince wrote:
Ok. I've dug and dug. I can't find it.. Which makes me look bad. But I don't want to dedicate much more time. So I filter some of his other mafia games and I'm clearly wrong. I'll own up to this now.

The only m!HF game we played together he was super dis-motivated/burnt out. That's where I was basing my HF meta from.


Whoa what game was that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 17:54 GMT
#360
On July 03 2019 02:49 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2019 02:39 Eversince wrote:
Ok. I've dug and dug. I can't find it.. Which makes me look bad. But I don't want to dedicate much more time. So I filter some of his other mafia games and I'm clearly wrong. I'll own up to this now.

The only m!HF game we played together he was super dis-motivated/burnt out. That's where I was basing my HF meta from.


Whoa what game was that?


I posted that saying I couldn't find it ! It was a mistake to make the meta read because I breezed your filters on a couple other and you clearly don't play the way I described!

Just owning up to my mistakes!


Just to make sure:

Student Mafia XV - didn't play together
Student Mafia XVI - didn't play together
A Simple Game of Mafia - vt shot night 2
TL Mafia LXXV - vt shot night 1
MafiacalFeast I - town and lynched all the mafia (tbh this is the only game I remember with you because of the gunsmith claim lol)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 22:01 GMT
#438
<3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 02 2019 22:02 GMT
#439
This is the most reasoning I think I've ever seen eywa post for a scum read in any game and it's coherent and says actual things that make people scummy.... and I kinda think that might make him mafia? :D

that's fucked up logic
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 03 2019 09:08 GMT
#531
On July 03 2019 17:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.

@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this.


I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto.
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