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Jockmcplop
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Mostly all that big post is is a list of her posts with some commentary that is meant to make them look bad. ES was in the middle of conversation with me about Pandain, at the beginning of which she was like 'i don't want to tunnel pand again' and after which she was thinking that maybe pand is scum, partly because of stuff that i said, that progression makes perfect sense - it was just reacting to what other people in the thread were talking about. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On July 02 2019 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: It isn't, there are a couple of very good points there. Maybe I would like to know: Why does it matter that people talk about her town read? But I really disagree with conversion's interpretation of the big picture around ES's posting. I'm willing to keep an open mind on it though, I'm null on ES anyway at the moment. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On July 02 2019 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: It isn't, there are a couple of very good points there. I'm also reticent to go agreeing with conversion when he makes these types of posts. He always manages to make a big case on whoever has accused him of being mafia - every single time! So i'm bearing that in mind when deciding whether his post has good points in it or not. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On July 02 2019 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: You, Jock, need to remember omgus isn't actually omgus if you have reasons for why the other person's shit is shit. I haven't seen you use omgus out of context but i have seen it many many times. Just because someone called you mafia doesn't make it invalid to make a case on them based on them calling you mafia (since mafia will anyways call townies mafia based on bs reasoning). Do you think ES is town? Why? I'm null on ES (see above). I'm open minded. What I'm saying about conversion is that he would have made that case regardless of whether or not he thought ES was being scummy, because he does every time he's accused of being mafia. So when I'm judging whether or not he's making good points, that is a factor in my judgement. I'm not saying 'Its OMGUS ignore him'. I also happen to disagree with him about his general commentary on ES's play so far, although I'm interested in ES assuming that we should townread her and why we shouldn't talk about her trfel townread. I just don't think that particular case is enough for me to scumread ES. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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I might be wrong (?!?!?!?!?!?!) I don't need to decide right now. If conversion is right, it will come to light, its not like we're gonna have a shortage of ES posts to analyze, right? | ||
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Jockmcplop
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Maybe conversion too although I'm not agreeing with him. Mafia Maybe trfel Pandain is lynchworthy from that opening. | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:00 Holyflare wrote: I feel like I'm a named townie again nobody has even thrown me in a mafia pile. Maybe we're waiting for you to do something. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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We've established that m!trfel will townread people early, so please don't base it only on that. I'm only saying this because a huge percentage of your posts so far have been about trfel. There's like 20 posts in your filter about Pandain townreading trfel but not you. Its like your plan for the game revolves entirely around trfel being town. | ||
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On July 03 2019 01:39 Grackaroni wrote: OK I'm taking off and will come back before deadline. Top town: Conversion/Rayn Lower town: Jock ES gets a pass from me day 1 based on tone, and she also played from the fucking bathtub, so you have to give points for effort.  Trfel seems like the most likely mafia to me, but I could also YOLO lynch HF. Nothing on Pandain? | ||
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Jockmcplop
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Eywa in a nutshell. ^^^^ | ||
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On July 03 2019 02:55 Eversince wrote: I don't even think his scum read on me is wrong. I made a mistake and HF finding a problem with it makes sense because I made no sense. Are you saying I should also scum read you for that? | ||
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On July 03 2019 03:07 Eywa- wrote: I think Rayn clogs up the thread as either alignment and generally seems anti-town for it. It's NAI. Honestly I'm not scum reading any of those guys. They are all townreads for me right now, i just don't see the ES stuff. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On July 03 2019 03:46 Conversion wrote: I'm not quite sure where you're getting this "Conversion only makes OMGUS cases" meta from-- I've played one game with you. Also, I never made OMGUS cases as mafia last game either, so your meta doesn't fit. I have no problems with you disagreeing with my case, but don't make up shit about my play. I didn't say you only make omgus cases, I'm saying every time (this is an exaggeration, but its often) someone accuses you of being mafia you make a case on them - I don't think it makes you mafia because as you say, it fits your town meta much better than your mafia meta. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On July 03 2019 03:49 Eywa- wrote: OK, since you're town, I'll bite. What are you seeing? With ES, nothing in particular to make me think she's mafia. Maybe a couple of odd reads but nothing convincing. Otherwise look through my filter to see what I think about people, its all there. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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I tried to explain my thought process in the posts, but I can explain further. I don't like deciding who to vote for immediately and just sticking to it no matter what else happens. The post I was replying to there was like "We need to figure out who to vote for". I was pointing out that we don't, its still the first half of day 1 so there's no need at that point. Then pandain makes some dodgy looking posts and vote with basically no reasoning behind it, so I questioned him but he disappeared so I voted for him. When I asked him to come back and be more townie its because I want him to come back and be more townie, then I will remove my vote from him (which I will also do if someone else starts being very mafia). Its a pressure vote. It sucks that I have to explain this to you and you can't read between the lines. | ||
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When I say Pandain come back and be more town for me Its because i'm pressuring him to come back and answer questions and make me think he's town. A pressure vote and a scum read aren't mutually exclusive, especially that early in the game. I had a scum read on him, which felt strong because he hadn't posted much and all of his posts were suspicious, and i was pressuring him to come and help me see that he's town by answering a question. I also don't get what this ridiculous semantic nitpicking has to do with the game. Even if any of the misinterpretations you're offering were true, how on earth would that make me mafia? As for this: I'm sorry I just don't quite get this answer. First, the bolded portion isn't true. The bolded portion happened before the events in the previous paragraph, not after. I would understand if the progression happened as you describe, but that is NOT what actually happened. It doesn't really matter either way does it? I've explained myself anyway if you want to keep nitpicking tiny details in the hope that it somehow makes me mafia have at it. | ||
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On July 03 2019 08:09 Trfel wrote: Thanks for explaining, I understand about the pressure vote. I'm sorry you feel I am nitpicking and being annoying, that isn't my intention. I only questioned two things, I just wanted to make sure your answers were truthful. To me it's significant if someone tries to falsify information to justify their reads and make themselves look better, even if it's over a little thing. If I am wrong please feel free to correct me, but I have quadruple checked it and am pretty sure I am right. I'll let it drop because it's the only thing out of an otherwise decent filter, I'm sorry I'm just trying to understand. Sorry trfel I'm grumpy cos my housemates are making so much fucking noise in the room next door and I want to sleep at before work GODDAMN THEM. You might be a bit right that it looks like i got the order of events wrong, but i don't think i was really contradicting my logic. Its about the difference in context between "We need to figure out who to lynch fast" and me voting for pandain to get him to answer a question i wanted answering about his vote. Your point would be better if I had tried to start a wagon on Pandain or really tried to get people to lynch him, which I haven't (I have asked a couple of people for opinions on him, that's all) | ||
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