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On July 07 2019 18:33 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 18:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
What would be the most helpful thing i could do for town now?
STFU or answer questions?? This is also really weird. Does a townie ever say this? Sounds like a mafia trying to input themselves into the conversation however they can.
wtf i don't understand your logic here.
If you guys are gonna ignore cos you think i'm mafia i will actually leave the thread and not come back cos i'm wasting mytime.
If you have questions i can answer that help you figure it out i'll stay.
Its not mafia motivated I'm just not big on sitting around for the next 72 hours being useless in the thread but still being here.
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On July 07 2019 18:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2019 18:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 15:48 Trfel wrote:
I'm currently doing a deep dive of raynpelikoneet's filter but @Jockmcplop, at a glance I think I hesitantly agree with you. I'm currently leaning towards lynching him today. I led the push on rayn. Trfel followed. That's incorrect. Trfel called me mafia before you did or at least heavily indicated he thinks i am mafia. Not even indicated, just straingt up called me mafia before you did. So that's a lie.
Please point out where.
Why would he make the post i quoted if that was true?
He's starting to agree with me that you are mafia?
Despite him thinking that before i did?
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Not lying just got it wrong.
Fuck this.
You guys decide. I'm already making it worse. Vote trfel.
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Cos we ended up lynching trfel after i went back and forth on a bunch of people,never had any solid reads and ended up no smarter about the gamestate than when i started.
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On July 07 2019 18:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Cos we ended up lynching trfel after i went back and forth on a bunch of people,never had any solid reads and ended up no smarter about the gamestate than when i started.
ebwop lynching conversion
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On July 07 2019 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 18:46 Jockmcplop wrote:
Not lying just got it wrong.
Fuck this.
You guys decide. I'm already making it worse. Vote trfel. I have a problem believing you here since you literally quoted Trfel's post where he calls me mafia and voted for him while having a null-read on me and then you don't remember he called me mafia before you??
Because when I went back and looked i found the post by trfel that quite heavily suggests the opposite is true.
If you dont believe fine i'm not gonna convince if you think i'm gonna hang around while you call me a liar for the next 3 days your badly mistaken. I apologized for my shit play, I'm done with that now and I'm pretty much done with your aggression also because I just can't be arsed any more.
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On July 07 2019 18:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2019 18:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Cos we ended up lynching trfel after i went back and forth on a bunch of people,never had any solid reads and ended up no smarter about the gamestate than when i started. but how does that make sense when your mafia read holyflare is alive and your townread ES wasn't lynched? Like you didn't want to lynch your townread and people didn't believe (enough that) your mafia read is mafia. Why do you think you were even doing anything wrong there?
Because I took part in the vote that ended in a mislynch. I didn't feel I had helped town at all during day 1.
Also question in point; if you believed what you said there why didn't you go back and re-eval ES?
What do you mean by re-eval?
I never really evaluated ES in the first place. I didn't see anything specifically mafia looking in her posts and disagreed with your read on her. So instead at this point i looked into other suspicious looking people.
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From page 2 of trfel's filter:
On July 03 2019 06:56 Trfel wrote:Sorry I'm not going to be very active until later tonight. It's a busy day for me, and I just learned that the company I've really been looking forward to working with is only giving me a temporary contract position instead of full employment, which is very disappointing after I've been unemployed for 15 months now  so I'm pretty sad and out of it. Been filter diving from the top. I like raynpelikoneet, his play seems to match his play last game very well. It feels like he's trying to solve the game, and he's still not focusing in and incessantly pushing single things. The thing that makes me townread him is that (assuming Eversince is town, which admittedly there is a chance I am wrong, but that is my current read) on Holyflare's comment he instantly switched his vote back to Eversince and has resolutely kept it there. If raynpelikoneet is mafia he knows that this is wrong, and in accordance with his "new," non-tunneling style of play I think he would be a bit more hesitant/reserved with that. Which makes me think he is town. If I explained that adequately. Unsure about Jockmcplop currently.+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On July 02 2019 16:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash. Lynching lurkers isn't always trash. I personally don't see the rush to figure out a vote right now. I guess we all play differently but I'd rather wait until near the deadline to gather as much as possible first. On July 02 2019 16:38 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:33 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 16:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash. Lynching lurkers isn't always trash. I personally don't see the rush to figure out a vote right now. I guess we all play differently but I'd rather wait until near the deadline to gather as much as possible first. Usually I do too. Which might happen again but I'll need to go back to sleep sometime tonight. I don't want to wake up tomorrow with 10-15 extra pages to try to read with 15 minutes, decide and make a vote. I'd rather talk while people are about. Fair enough. What do you think of Pandain? Immediately reversing his only read is a little suspicious and 'I changed my perspective' is a very opaque answer as to what happened. It kinda it makes it impossible to progress a conversation about what exactly pandain is thinking. Not being open about your thought process is mafia motivated at this point, especially when something like his trfel read debacle sticks out so obviously in the thread. His vote on you also seems like he's forcing something, trying to be first to vote for some reason. I can see mafia motivation everywhere with this guy already. ##vote pandain On July 02 2019 16:46 Jockmcplop wrote:
I know I said I didn't need to vote early, but this really jumped out at me. Pandain come back and be more town for me, I don't like having such a strong scumread so early lol. Pandain made no posts in between these posts. I know this has already been pointed out, but this scumread of Pandain feels somewhat fabricated. It feels like his suspicions of Pandain kinda came out of nowhere, it feels a bit forced to me. I could easily be wrong though; I'd like to see more from Jockmcplop, I think he's put himself in an interesting position with the null read on Eversince and the current vote count. @Jockmcplop, do you have an explanation for your thought process through the quoted posts? Holyflare, this sentence is for you, just because I know you like seeing your name on things. So far I'm suspicious of Eywa-. Eywa- feels a bit self-conscious, which seems highly opposite their town play last game. + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On July 03 2019 02:43 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 02:40 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 02:29 Eywa- wrote:
I'm really not sure what else I'm supposed to provide or how it'll be valuable. Why did you say "if eversince flips mafia then this game is just super easy going forward"? You must have a reason for it and afaik it's the reasoning you are voting for her (as you haven't said anythig else on why she is mafia). So what am i supposed to think if not that? Not my reason for voting... My reason for voting is that I think ES is mafia. cute, why is she mafia? The biggest reason is her role PM. Probably RNG. Very similar to posts that Eywa- made last game as town. On July 03 2019 05:01 Eywa- wrote:
The role pm part was a joke... Oops, somehow it's being quoted in every post now. But this didn't come up last game at all? Feels like Eywa- is self-conscious about not giving reasons in this game, which wasn't at all present last game, despite playing in a very similar way.
On July 03 2019 04:35 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 04:30 Eversince wrote:
Actual to elaborate a little more on my Ewya point.
She will fight tooth and nail and still say nothing with Rayn. But there is like 15 pg of content and I'm the easy vote, so just kill ES, dump everything else, and try to appear like your doing something. I don't think you're the only good lynch, but I think you're the most likely to get lynched of the narrow pool of acceptable lynches. The difference is negligible, so we can say you're the best lynch... or tied for the slot at least. On July 03 2019 05:07 Eywa- wrote:
Idk, feels like you've slipped a bunch and you're reluctant to just tell people they're wrong when reading you. You on multiple occasions tiptoed around that either indicating you don't like the way you're being read or that you felt a read on you was justified (despite it being a mafia read)
You also haven't provided much substance imo despite aggressively posting (I know, I'm the one talking...)
Overall, I'm failing to see any reason to not lynch you. Hopefully this falls into the category of sufficient justification, because I won't be going into any of the scum theater, that's discussion for another day.
Throw your vote down and stop saying how much you don't like my position, if you don't like it, put your vote where your mouth is. On July 03 2019 05:31 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 05:14 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 05:07 Eywa- wrote:
Idk, feels like you've slipped a bunch and you're reluctant to just tell people they're wrong when reading you. You on multiple occasions tiptoed around that either indicating you don't like the way you're being read or that you felt a read on you was justified (despite it being a mafia read)
You also haven't provided much substance imo despite aggressively posting (I know, I'm the one talking...)
Overall, I'm failing to see any reason to not lynch you. Hopefully this falls into the category of sufficient justification, because I won't be going into any of the scum theater, that's discussion for another day.
Throw your vote down and stop saying how much you don't like my position, if you don't like it, put your vote where your mouth is. Yes maby I am to nice to people. Starting a game how is that bad? To me it seems like your taking easy town lynch because I CAN'T play the same every game. So just kill her. Maby I think about this wrong. Maby I just need to be assholes to everyone. But that is not who I am so I can't do it!! Nah, your start to this game (basically your entire first page of game (not including pre-game) filter is: 1) trying to pocket Pandain 2) random town read on first player to post 3) trying to pocket Pandain 4) AtE There's some random comment about how you don't mind conversion (that was contradicted like 2-3 posts later - and then later escalated again). Overall, here's a summary... You're all over that AtE this game You're always coming back to Pandain mafia and claiming that his read on you is wrong... Well, if he's mafia... He's not wrong is he? He's just... Well, Mafia. You went through a phase of trying to name drop every player in the game, which lead to some reads escalating rather... Strangely. You seem to be displaying a complete lack of understanding for why anyone is being read in certain ways rather than seeing things from their (town) perspective. I'm voting ES now, I'll be voting ES at end of day as well. It feels like Eywa-'s scumread and vote on Eversince is just following the momentum of everyone else, the reasons and actual strength behind the read comes out later. Eywa- even admits that Eversince is just the most likely lynch out of a narrow pool. Side note, what is Eywa-'s lynch pool anyway? They only mentioned four townreads, which leaves four remaining players, I'd say that's quite a wide lynch pool, instead of the narrow pool Eywa- claims... But Eywa-'s scumread on Eversince increases in strength from "Eversince is one acceptable lynch out of a group of acceptable lynches" to "I'm lynching Eversince no matter what," and the only reasons cited are all from posts and events that happened before the first post in question. It feels extremely opportunistic to me and somewhat forced. @Eywa-, can you explain your thought process through the quoted posts? I'm interested in how your read on Eversince has changed over those posts, and what caused that change. I haven't gotten to Conversion and Grackaroni yet, and I need to reread Pandain; I will try to do so as soon as I can. Heading out for a bit.
On July 03 2019 07:38 Trfel wrote:Actually, sorry, something is still bugging me... Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
ok trfel
I tried to explain my thought process in the posts, but I can explain further.
I don't like deciding who to vote for immediately and just sticking to it no matter what else happens. The post I was replying to there was like "We need to figure out who to vote for". I was pointing out that we don't, its still the first half of day 1 so there's no need at that point.
Then pandain makes some dodgy looking posts and vote with basically no reasoning behind it, so I questioned him but he disappeared so I voted for him. When I asked him to come back and be more townie its because I want him to come back and be more townie, then I will remove my vote from him (which I will also do if someone else starts being very mafia).
Its a pressure vote. It sucks that I have to explain this to you and you can't read between the lines.
I'm sorry I just don't quite get this answer. First, the bolded portion isn't true. The bolded portion happened before the events in the previous paragraph, not after. I would understand if the progression happened as you describe, but that is NOT what actually happened. And the red, about it being a pressure vote... Does this: Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:38 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2019 16:33 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 16:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2019 16:28 Eversince wrote:
I need to figure who to vote for. I'd be fine with Conv for reasons I already said. Grack would be ok but rather not, if he's town he'll start playing. Or we just lynch into lurkers. Which is also trash. Lynching lurkers isn't always trash. I personally don't see the rush to figure out a vote right now. I guess we all play differently but I'd rather wait until near the deadline to gather as much as possible first. Usually I do too. Which might happen again but I'll need to go back to sleep sometime tonight. I don't want to wake up tomorrow with 10-15 extra pages to try to read with 15 minutes, decide and make a vote. I'd rather talk while people are about. Fair enough. What do you think of Pandain? Immediately reversing his only read is a little suspicious and 'I changed my perspective' is a very opaque answer as to what happened. It kinda it makes it impossible to progress a conversation about what exactly pandain is thinking. Not being open about your thought process is mafia motivated at this point, especially when something like his trfel read debacle sticks out so obviously in the thread. His vote on you also seems like he's forcing something, trying to be first to vote for some reason. I can see mafia motivation everywhere with this guy already. ##vote pandain Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:46 Jockmcplop wrote:
I know I said I didn't need to vote early, but this really jumped out at me. Pandain come back and be more town for me, I don't like having such a strong scumread so early lol. Look like a pressure vote? You even call it a strong scumread. Maybe we have different definitions of a pressure vote, maybe I am wrong, but regardless it appears to me to be a legitimate scumread of Pandain and that seems to be clearly what you are saying here.
On July 03 2019 08:09 Trfel wrote:
Thanks for explaining, I understand about the pressure vote.
I'm sorry you feel I am nitpicking and being annoying, that isn't my intention. I only questioned two things, I just wanted to make sure your answers were truthful. To me it's significant if someone tries to falsify information to justify their reads and make themselves look better, even if it's over a little thing. If I am wrong please feel free to correct me, but I have quadruple checked it and am pretty sure I am right. I'll let it drop because it's the only thing out of an otherwise decent filter, I'm sorry I'm just trying to understand.
On July 03 2019 08:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 08:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've skimmed grack's filter trfel and besides wanting to lynch you for no apparent reason (that I can see) I don't think it looks like mafia grack.
He didn't exactly townread ES, he just gave her a pass for now if i'm reading it right.
I have absolutely no reason to townread him either yet though. Hm, fair enough, I'll keep thinking about it.. Need to head out now though. Be back tonight.
On July 04 2019 15:05 Trfel wrote:I have come to the shocking conclusion that I have absolutely no idea what is happening this game. I'll attempt to rethink everything. I still think Jockmcplop and raynpelikoneet are town though. If anyone wants to talk about stuff with me feel free, I'll be busy tomorrow given that it's a holiday but before the next lynch hopefully I'll be slightly less clueless
This is an odd read progression on me, don't you think? At first he is concerned that I might be mafia for reasons. Then he asks for an explanation, accepts it, and suddenly he 'still thinks i'm town'.
I think he was buddying me early on tbh.
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Whatever you do don't tell me and trfel which on of us you think is more likely to be mafia before the end of the night phase.
Honestly don't even lean one way or the other until day 3.
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rayn help me out here is there any chance of an eywa/ES mafia team?
I'm only going 100% on trfel on the assumption that eywa/ES couldn't really happen but i guess i could be wrong about that too.
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On July 08 2019 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think thats possible. Eywa has been on ES' neck all game long and ES also wanted to lynch eywa D1. Also 99% likely eywa votes for me D2 as mafia.
Yeah thought so.
In that case I'm happy with where things are now. I'll keep an eye on the thread and be back if anything changes or if you want me to answer questions 
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On July 05 2019 18:09 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 18:02 Trfel wrote:On July 05 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 05 2019 17:49 Trfel wrote:Urghhh I'm starting to doubt if raynpelikoneet really is mafia I guess it'll be good to see what he has to say about my case. I like the case okay but still have doubts Blehhhhhh..... Why is this game so hard It must be rayn OR ES though, right? One of these two is mafia. Assuming both of us are town, yes. Unfortunately, and especially after you tore me to pieces as mafia, that's not an assumption I can safely make just yet Took a quick glance at End of the World mafia. You're actually pretty similar to me in playstyle IMO, maybe I'm okay with you being town after all, at least for tonight. Which leaves raynpelikoneet and Eywa- as mafia by POE. I hate POE, generally means I messed something up But I'm gonna go with this for now so I can actually get some rest tonight.
This whole chain is designed by trfel to make me feel good about my ability at a time where I'm accusing rayn of being mafia. Smart play indeed.
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He just always seems to give the illusion of deciding i'm town without any satisfactory reason as to why.
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And yet when I said i had an awful day 1 rayn told me I did everything right as town on day 1.
Make your mind up rayn lol...
Like I said before I was all over the place on day 1. Didn't have any consistent reads at all. I just couldn't read the game (its pretty much this whole game tbh). I had a strong feeling at the end of the day that I didn't want ES to die. That's about all I can tell you.
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On July 10 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But please do explain why you wanted to convince your scumread to vote for your town read over your null read?
Like I said I just felt like ES shouldn't die.
I know that sounds shit.
Anything I say about it other than that would be trying to justify my actions in hindsight which doesn't really work. If you insist I come up with a reason I would say the ease with which everyone fell into scumreading and lynching ES made me uncertain that it was a good call.
When you call people my townreads and scumreads you aren't really representing what I was thinking properly, I was utterly confused and didn't have any particularly strong reads. Mostly it was just slight leans one way or the other.
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I'm gonna be out for EoD.
Anything you need to ask please ask in the next hour or so while I'm here to answer.
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On July 10 2019 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain.
So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read).
Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please. I read this. Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is? # For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads.
When this game finishes i want you to remember this post in relation to my future games.
I thought that I tended to think things through clearly until you got a hold of my filter this last couple of days. Now youre just exposing the fact that I play this game like an idiot.
Live and learn I guess.
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