[M][N]MiniFeast I

On June 24 2019 04:18 KelsierSC wrote:
So we can't lynch HF, doesn't seem fair.

On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,

Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.

I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack.

On June 24 2019 16:49 KelsierSC wrote:


you didn't mention him until HF called him mafia and then you piled on.

On June 24 2019 17:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
Been reading Trfel's filter, its super weird already.
Like, the intention behind the posts seems townie, kinda flailing around loking for bits to grab a hold of, but the wording is suspicious. Lots of maybes and questions like 'do you guys agree?' and also the 'We can talk about something else if you want' thing.

This is a particularly mafia-esque way of phrasing a suspicion, for example.

On June 25 2019 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The green part however doesn't make any sense at all in comparison to the red one since he is letting one guy off the hook for doing the wrong thing (accusing Grack) and changing the subject to another guy. I don't think that's a mafia thing to do because i think the mafia thing to do is to let Trfel and Jock be town for now and join the accusation, accuse them both, or act like you dont know where your head is at because you are now confused especially since HF jumped in. I think all of those outcomes are better than what Kelsier did and i don't think what he did makes any sense from mafia perspective.

On June 25 2019 20:42 Eversince wrote:


Yeah, go check my history on the site. If all my games are listed, otherwise a comment post from my profile will show it.

On June 25 2019 23:27 Grackaroni wrote:

Yes.

I wouldn't fake claim because I know there would be a good chance of counterclaim.

On June 25 2019 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you a dumbass or mafia?

On June 25 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Eywa is mafia most likely too. This is the annoying type of scumplayer (Conversion looks the same usually) who are not considerred scum because they are "too abrasive to be mafia" when in fact nothing they say pretty much makes sense, and just get ignored. Furthermore waayyyyyyy different from last game where she actually tried to play and figure shit out (until we got onto a shitfight).

Pandain my best bet for third scum just for calling Grackaroni mafia (or a lynch) for a claim that doesnt make any sense in his mind from mafia perspective, like basically he wants to lynch a townie and paints it as a "mafia read".

Those are my reads, if i am wrong on something get slam in there, most likely everyone else is town.

On June 25 2019 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh yeah Pandain also made a comment on me that should never make any sense to him if what he has said before in the game has made any sense to him so that's why he is mafia too.

On June 26 2019 00:43 Eywa- wrote:
I think Grack claiming is weird, but isn't necessarily scummy. Scum have no reason to fake claim doc because they are setting themselves up for a D2-D3 lynch... That being a player not under pressure makes it more likely that it's town.

Players who claim under pressure have a higher chance of flipping scum than players who claim when not under pressure. It's crazy how the scummiest player in the game always tends to claim before getting lynched.

On June 26 2019 00:57 Eywa- wrote:

Sure, but if he's not the doctor, we lynch him later in the game and there's no damage done.

On June 26 2019 01:14 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone that thinks there's a doctor and a named townie is sorely misinformed.

On June 26 2019 01:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
Despite the fact that he's been nearly universally read as mafia/null, I'd perfectly well accept that no-one wants to vote for Kiesler if someone could point me at a townie post of his.
He's been here, so its not like he hasn't had the opportunity.
I also find it a bit concerning when at least 4 people scumread a guy and no-one votes for them. It means they can't lose.

On June 26 2019 04:08 Eversince wrote:


Or..... He's the other active vet player. If not s!Rayn will probably die tonight. Why even point this out?

On June 26 2019 04:19 Trfel wrote:
##vote: Alakaslam
I'm a cop out.

On June 26 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
There is no world slam is mafia here.

If he was, mafia would be bandwagoning someone else with the votes this close.

On June 26 2019 04:32 Eversince wrote:
So Pandain why was that a terrible lynch?

On June 26 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
So Pandain only becomes active when slam is up for lynch

On June 26 2019 04:36 Eversince wrote:
I'm also going to filter you and decide if I even want to give you that chance,

On June 26 2019 04:57 Eversince wrote:


This makes no sense to me. If a we have a vig it should go into mafia. If your not, why just not care? A town waste a vig shot on town.. Outs our vig.... And gain nothing so why even consider it?

On June 26 2019 05:02 Eversince wrote:


I don't believe the Grack doc claim. I think he is just VT trying to draw kp away from you. At least makes sense to me.

On June 26 2019 05:07 Eversince wrote:


How? Grack as doc can't save himself. So wait for HF. Shoot Grack.

On June 26 2019 05:17 Eversince wrote:


My point was that Grack fakeclaim to draw kp away from HF. Maby in the hopes there is a doc.

On June 26 2019 06:21 Eywa- wrote:
Well, if Alakaslam flips scum. Eversince and trfel are town cleared because there was no reason to bus there.

On June 26 2019 06:57 Eversince wrote:


Why vote Rayn though? There wasn't a reason and still isn't.

On June 26 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote:


Can you outline where this was the case? All I've found in reference to Kelsier near deadline is that you told Jock that Kelsier would be a good vig shot? Where do you feel like you've pushed Kelsier and have been active doing so in comparison to your vigour at deadline for slam?

On June 26 2019 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe Pandain can make a big post to explain why Slam was so town that he'd rather lynch his 95% townread over him.

On June 26 2019 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bugs me about Pandain is that he still, after lynch, calls Grackaroni scum but Grack was one of the few people he tried to get on board onto another lynch. Like in what fucking world does pandain have more than 0% chance of convincing scum!grack to do what he wants if it's to switch from town to mafia? idk, maybe it's too insane to be scum, difinitely doesn't make any sense in any world.

On June 26 2019 15:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like literally, how is it better if let's say you, hf and grack vote for me and i flip town than if slam had flipped town?

On June 26 2019 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you too, what the fuck do you gain in regards of information in case i flip town?

On June 26 2019 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

it was very clear i was at some point.

On June 26 2019 04:12 Fecalfeast wrote:

Alakaslam: (3) eversince, holyflare, Trfel
Shapelog: (2) raynpelikoneet, grackaroni grackaroni
Eversince: (0) grackaroni, eywa-
KelsierSC: (2) Pandain, Jockmcplop, jockmcplop eversince pandain
Grackaroni: (0) Holyflare Jockmcplop Pandain

Raynpelikoneet: (1) Holyflare eywa- eywa-holyflare
Pandain: (0) Eywa-

Not Voting:
Alakaslam
Shapelog
KelsierSC

On June 26 2019 06:08 Alakaslam wrote:

Mindmeld eywa a little. Was early at this point though.

On June 26 2019 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
a person you wanted to flip

On June 26 2019 16:06 Eversince wrote:
I got around 45 minutes before dealine. Just died trying to figure out for sure where my vote should go. You toss Rayn vote out because "any other option is better"?!

On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town?

On June 26 2019 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you think about the fact i made almost the exact claim last game for the exact same reasons Grack did? I was town. If Grack is mafia why doesn't Grack claim just "blue" which would be understandable from town pov aswell and keeps him alive better that doctor claim? If Grack is mafia why does Grack fakeclaim DOCTOR in a situation -- as you put it, "when under no pressure"? What mafia motivation there EVER is to make that sort of claim?

On June 26 2019 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you give an example?

On June 26 2019 16:20 Eversince wrote:


Did you miss the HF case? Phoo.

On June 26 2019 16:29 Eversince wrote:


He's confirmed town so ignore what informations he made? Then start a shitfight with Rayn about how no one interacted with him.. Right after you ignore all that came from the case from HF is not relevent.

On June 26 2019 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This does make some sense, i mean in a way that you could actually think this as town. Some things:
- While HF is confirmed town he can still be wrong and he is defi-fucking-nitely wrong there
- It's not unlikely there is a doctor because the setup already playerwise is missing 2 townies to standard 10v3, aka it's heavily mafia favored, there is actually VERY likely to be a protective role aka vet/doc/jailer
- Mafia is not screwed if there is a doctor, who cares if HF lives to D2? Mafia can just assume doc will protect HF (which the doc should unless HF is throwing) and shoot HF N2.
- Trading a mafia for D1 claimed doc is terrible play, also if grack is mafia and there is actually a real doctor they should never counter-claim, just protect HF and then you TRADED MAFIA FOR NO DOCTOR on D2!!!!!! That's even more terrible play.

On June 26 2019 16:37 Eversince wrote:


Okok, to make sure I get it.

Lynch anyone other than Slam (townread). Yes Ignore the fact Rayn might actually be t!Rayn Not ignore the fact, just realistically acknowledge that I am more confident Slam is town than Rayn. If he gets mislynch the information is still useful than actually trying to kill mafia? No, you're either misunderstanding me or understanding from your own perspective. This is your interpetation because you voted Slam and thought there was a chance he's mafia. From my perspective, they are both likely town. Assuming that's true, it would still be better to lynch Rayn because that information gleaned from his death would be at least marginally more useful than a slam lynch.

Pand I was trying to be nice but I'm super sure your mafia.

On June 26 2019 16:40 Eversince wrote:
I'm tunneling on him so bad but I think he is scum right now.

On June 26 2019 16:43 Eversince wrote:
Pand, I'm going to let this rest. We have bunches of time left before another lynch. I'm tunneling real bad. What's your current reads?

On June 26 2019 16:08 Pandain wrote:


Strong town reads on Rayn and Jock.

That leads the last four possible scum to be Grack, Eywa, Shape, and Kelsier.

I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny.

Slam made a post on Eywa after he died that I don't think he would have made if Eywa was mafia.

Even though its guarded in conditioners, I don't think Slam picks a mafia post to just +1 to.


So that leaves Shape and Kelsier.

I'm going to say that all of Slam, Shape, and Kelsier were all mafia and that ironically we were always going to lynch mafia.

On June 26 2019 16:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who is mafia if Shapelog is mafia and Kelsier is town and we shoot Kelsier and lynch Shapelog?
Who do we lynch after that to 100% win the game?

On June 26 2019 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jock you should just believe me when i say grack is not mafia. there is simply no possibility of him being mafia.

On June 26 2019 18:15 Jockmcplop wrote:


I just can't see him flat out killing a teammate with two other wagons available. Its not the correct play at all imo. Its vaguely possible but.... no.
If trfel and slam are both mafia, then at least one of kels/shapelog isn't and that gives him an out.

On June 26 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:


It's not particularly a narrative. I've found things in your filter that contradict what you are saying you thought and I'm just not acknowledging the inferior version that doesn't quite make sense that you're talking about after the fact.

On June 27 2019 06:10 Holyflare wrote:


We're all friendly here and slam likes playing mafia. Bet the QT is like:


Slam: yeah I love playing mafia but I have to go for 2 days with no wifi please don't let me die

slam goes up for lynch

Pandain: damn don't want to make slam feel sad yo

On June 27 2019 06:23 Eversince wrote:


You claimed you vote Rayn becuase anyone other than Grack gives better information. We know that is false now. Don't change your story.

On June 26 2019 06:55 Pandain wrote:
I'm completely null on shape.

I was certain that slam was town, and even if I voted SL it would still be a slam lynch.

So i was trying to get you to vote rayn, where there was a small chance he was scum.

On June 26 2019 06:57 Pandain wrote:


5% chance (rayn) is better than 0% chance (slam)

And imo Slam was even worse than a regular town lynch, because we would have gotten no information out of a slam lynch if he was town.

On June 26 2019 15:52 Pandain wrote:


And again, in my mind Slam was nearly certain town. You are probably town. There's a big difference. I will always choose to lynch a "probable town" over a "near-certain" town, all other things held equal.

On June 27 2019 06:17 Grackaroni wrote:

I believe you but I think you were wrong to think that because the lynch was lead by confirmed town HF.

On June 27 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Pandain what exactly are your reads now?

On June 27 2019 16:48 Holyflare wrote:
Pandain + x!

On June 27 2019 17:14 Holyflare wrote:
You say words like guaranteed victory a lot by just arbitrarily confirming people.

On June 27 2019 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why is jock on your list of mafia candidates?

On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.

I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.

On June 27 2019 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay which of those other three can he be mafia with and why?

On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain?

On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.

It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.

On June 27 2019 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know, you magically realised it right after someone absorbed a shot. It's like almost way too convenient. What you just said has been said for ages but only after there is a no-kill you are able to realise it. And also after that, jock magically appears in your "possible scum pile". When you should have no reason to call him mafia over lets say me.

On June 27 2019 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not in those exact words but yes it was.
Why am i not mafia with Kelsier? Why is my whole play not mafia if Kelsier is mafia?

On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:


Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what?

On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:


No idea :D

I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy.

He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!).

This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible.

On June 27 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

the problem is you wanted to lynch me (town read) over shapelog (null read).
and you have yet to explain why. you pushed all the other wagons except for shapelog, and i dont know why, since i was your townread and shapelog was not.

On June 27 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote:


That's exactly what I do when the only person providing an alternative narrative is the guy I'm calling mafia and I just think your version is a lot less plausible than the really obvious one. Sorry

On June 27 2019 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why did you try to convince HF to vote for me over Shapelog? Did HF ever say Shapelog is town?
Even if he did, ans i know he was possibly moving onto me, why did you try to convince him of lynching your townread over a null read (based on your principles you showed on Slam if we assume you're town here).

On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:


You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia?

What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead.

On June 27 2019 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that doesnt answer the question.
where was HF ever heavily against lynching Shape?

On June 26 2019 04:17 Holyflare wrote:


Just quote your post where you scum read shapelog because I don't agree with Rayn's.

On June 27 2019 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

which is exactly why everyone can take credit for it. everyone who voted for slam could have just done whatever the fuck you did and be "townie" because "wooooo we get no info for a afk lynch".

On June 28 2019 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
looool everyone was basically right D1 except for eywa

Nicely played.