[M][N]MiniFeast I

On June 24 2019 16:17 Holyflare wrote:
First glance grack is probably mafia.

On June 24 2019 16:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning Everyone,

Liked the discussion between rayn and trefl regarding eywa's reads. That's bumped trefl up. The scum reads seem off to me and need more explanation. I don't like ES particularly, but pandain is just one low content poster in a game of low content posters. ShapeLog town read also needs more explanation.

I don't like Jocks entrance. His first comment is he has nothing to add and things are uneventful. But as soon as HF throws out a name he jumps on it trying to bury Grack.

On June 24 2019 16:49 KelsierSC wrote:


you didn't mention him until HF called him mafia and then you piled on.

On June 24 2019 17:03 Eversince wrote:
I think Kels is hung out as much because you bold and capped it. It seemed way more emphasized than normal.

Kels, I have limited time. So that you don't like me we can chat! Few minutes at least..

On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads?

Does anyone find Eversince's reaction interesting?

On June 24 2019 19:52 Pandain wrote:


If I recall correctly, I was suspicious of Trfel last game I played with him for the exact same reason. He ended up being town. I think it's just how he posts

On June 24 2019 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:







What happens between here that your mind changes twice?

On June 24 2019 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're going to make a lot of mistakes if you pick stuff you think are wrong or you dont understand and call them mafia. Or youre mafia.

On June 24 2019 23:03 Shapelog wrote:

I really don't like this post from trfel at all. Everything in the bold is just wrong.

Eversince did respond to me about my post (see French pirate post), and also responded afterwards when I asked her on opinions on people in the game at that time. Eversince also was still active after that time and spoke to a new poster (saying hey to Pandain). Then right afterwards when Eversince responds he admits that the "sample size was extremely small", but does not formally drop the read at that point. He fires another bullet at eversince then later about the town lean on me before he back away from Eversince.

I find it odd how technical and misconstruing he was towards Eversince. I dont get how you someone can read the thread at that time and genuinely post the quoted post above from trfel.

Thoughts?

On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one.

On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure.

On June 25 2019 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually if you are mafia it's not. If you are mafia it's definitely possible you are throwing more fuel onto the fire without sticking your neck out.

On June 24 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:


Yeah but just you wait.
He's going to have SO MUCH CONTENT by the end of the day....

On June 25 2019 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree. You can think Kelsier is mafia, but i happen to know my alignment and i can relate to what he thinks as i said. I know a townie can have that sort of first impression.

Can you look at the stuff on Shapelog? If you don't agree with it, do you want to go with Kelsier or do something else?

On June 25 2019 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he here should be "able to discern when a post definitely isn't mafia motivated", but he isn't even thinking about that as an option.

On June 25 2019 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:

sToP BeInG So PrICkly.

On June 25 2019 10:09 Trfel wrote:
Jockmcplop, why were you reading my filter, of all people's (post #196)? Just before (post #191), you kinda said that I was your strongest townread. I'm just not sure I follow.

Kinda feels like he's keeping his reads open, lots of soft pushes. Like his soft suspicion on Shapelog (not gonna vote him now but I could vote for him later), and his read on me (Trfel) (post 198). Admittedly the latter is one of my habits, but along with the lack of townreads, it just feels like he is really, really keeping his options open.

On June 25 2019 16:15 Holyflare wrote:
We should be voting anyone that claims doctor day 1.

On June 25 2019 16:19 Holyflare wrote:


Imagine claiming doctor while calling the confirmed town a shitter lol. Doesn't make any sense at all.

On June 26 2019 00:32 Pandain wrote:
#summonJock

I know he would vote grack

On June 26 2019 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:

There was all kinds of agreement with Rayn's post on Shapelog and no traction for his lynch.

On June 26 2019 01:51 Pandain wrote:
Jock I am town reading you so damn much. Well played if scum

On June 26 2019 01:52 Grackaroni wrote:

You/Eversince/Trfel.

I don't think its a slam dunk but its definitely an interesting case. I can see a situation where someone doesn't apply a way of thinking that they are capable of, without having mafia motivations.

That said, I don't really like shapelog's posting in general. Sort of pressured ES a little bit then dropped it, made that post about trfel and then went back on it later while still leaving room to go back to the suspicion if needed.

On June 26 2019 01:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Nothing's changed with Shapelog.

On June 26 2019 07:03 Eversince wrote:
Opinions Jock?

On June 26 2019 07:08 Eversince wrote:


Fair. I'm a really slow English reader myself. How long before you can make thoughts?

On June 26 2019 07:10 Eversince wrote:


I already knew Rayn could get haywire. I made a post about it already. We'll see if it happens

On June 26 2019 07:13 Eversince wrote:



Just a general pile of reads. I think your town I just want your thoughts on everything here since you're here.
Don't bother formatting if you don't feel like doing it.

On June 26 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote:


I would never intentionally make someone feel bad for my entertainment like that, ever. I really just want answers to my questions!

On June 26 2019 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:

This argument that I'm following thread sentiment is pretty suspicious to me. I've given my own reasons for whatever push I've made and I don't think that's an accurate description of my filter.

My reads have been changing fluidly. I don't believe Jock's have so far.

On June 26 2019 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:

Which ones do you mean?

You say that I've been following thread sentiment, but I contributed my own ideas on Shapelog after I saw Rayn talking about him.

The other 3 people I mentioned just said they agreed with what Rayn wrote, which was just a convoluted meta-reason of how Rayn expects Shapelog to read a post, which I don't see how anyone who isn't Rayn can agree with without their own reasons.

Really the more that I think about it the more bullshit I think your push is. There were lots of people that "followed thread sentiment" on Kelsier/Shapelog. Kelsier was probably right about you just wanting to jump in with HF from the start of the game.

On June 26 2019 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:
This really isn't my first run in with you either.

I mentioned that you liked Rayn's Shapelog post and then you tried to contradict me, which doesn't sit well with me because you answered to Rayn that you would lynch Shapelog if it we were at the deadline.

I don't think its a slam dunk but its definitely an interesting case. I can see a situation where someone doesn't apply a way of thinking that they are capable of, without having mafia motivations.

That said, I don't really like shapelog's posting in general. Sort of pressured ES a little bit then dropped it, made that post about trfel and then went back on it later while still leaving room to go back to the suspicion if needed.

On June 26 2019 07:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
I literally told rayn why I thought his post was wrong and you say that's me liking rayn's post.

I can see a situation where someone doesn't apply a way of thinking that they are capable of, without having mafia motivations.

On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:

My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk.

I first got into that idea here

+ Show Spoiler +

Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you.

On June 26 2019 08:17 Eversince wrote:


I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order.

On June 26 2019 17:15 Pandain wrote:
Ok so if Shape is town, then how is game solved

On June 26 2019 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jock you should just believe me when i say grack is not mafia. there is simply no possibility of him being mafia.

On June 26 2019 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
I am not sold on trfel being town. The post about not knowing who to vote seemed honest which I liked but it always seems to be a struggle for him to post a read like he has to fabricate it. I don't know, just a gut feeling. Don't write him off just because he voted afk slam. I'll need to have a reread but don't expect much I'll be in handover meetings all day.

On June 26 2019 19:02 Holyflare wrote:


Nothing logical works in mafia, ever. That's a lesson you'll have to learn. I agree it's quite unlikely but I can't shake the gut feeling.

On June 26 2019 19:13 Pandain wrote:
Jock assuming there's no vig shot, would you want to lynch kelsier or shape first?

On June 26 2019 19:17 Pandain wrote:
Rayn is assuming that Grack is town. Under that theory, there's no way that Kelsier and Shape are both mafia (because the last three mafia have to be within Ewya, Kelsier, and Shape, also assuming that Pandain and Jock are town).

If Grack is mafia, there's a non-zero chance that the last scum could be Eywa for instance.

Rayn is assuming that Grack is town. Under that theory, there's no way that Kelsier and Shape are both TOWN (because the last three mafia have to be within Ewya, Kelsier, and Shape, also assuming that Pandain and Jock are town).

On June 26 2019 19:25 Pandain wrote:
Yeah I meant to say town.

Honestly the slam post on Eywa puts me against thinking he's scum, which is why I'm pretty certain there's at least one (if not both) scum between Kelsier and Shape.

What did you think about that post?

On June 26 2019 21:04 Pandain wrote:
I'm upgrading Kels to a null-read and downgrading Shape to a slight scum read.

Also making Grack null.

On June 26 2019 22:55 Trfel wrote:
To be honest Holyflare is right, there is a small chance I could do what I did as mafia and it's not worth ignoring. Yes it would be a suboptimal play, but sometimes mafia messes up. You can judge the likelihood and look at my play as a whole, but I would never recommend treating someone as 100% confirmed town for that alone.

That said if you lynch me first while Shapelog/KelsierSC/Pandain/Eywa- are all alive, I think I'd (rightfully) be a bit annoyed

On June 26 2019 23:08 Eywa- wrote:
So we're lynching Rayn tomorrow right?

On June 26 2019 23:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Jock is mafia.

On June 26 2019 23:31 Eywa- wrote:

No, that's a terrible plan.

On June 26 2019 23:34 Eywa- wrote:
So I'm obvtown, I think we should check Rayn before shooting the PoE.

On June 26 2019 23:36 Eywa- wrote:

I disagree, you need to understand why there's a good chance of Rayn flipping mafia

On June 26 2019 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:

Goes back to this.

Your reads are too confident. I don't see enough doubt in any of your play. I don't think that's your town play.

The biggest shift I can see over the night is you upgrading me from scum to *scum lean* (I can really see the doubt creeping into your mind!) and then you assuring HF that Trfel cannot be mafia because of his vote.

On May 30 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
I think I need to be more confident in getting people to vote with me when i have a read.
I feel like I should have got artanis on day 2 but I kinda gave up a bit. I could've had conversion day 1 also but didn't really go for it. Covnersion you shut that down pretty nicely well played.

Bugs we should definitely hydra on the next game where mods allow it.

On June 27 2019 07:45 Eywa- wrote:

Ooooh.

Is that different from the norm or same? Are you standing firm on all of your reads?

On June 27 2019 07:58 Eywa- wrote:


Well, that's fair, I'm not really trying to build any cases. Somehow my POE matches everyone else though to some degree. Which... IDK, is it normal here for people to share the same POE as everyone in the game and to act on it? I would expect people to be suspect of that... OR maybe it is as simple as 3 lurkers?

On June 27 2019 08:03 Eywa- wrote:
Where else do you all play mafia?

On June 27 2019 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe you're right and if you are it means (at least to me) that Pandain is not mafia. I am not sure but i got the feeling that Kelsier was pretty viable option at the time and Pandain was already on Kelsier. From my memory people showed more interest in lynching Kelsier than Shapelog, right? I dont remember what happened there.

On June 27 2019 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I never said anything about lynching Shapelog last night phase but this probably makes you look even more townie than before unless for some magical reason both of shapelog / kelsier are town.

On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:


We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?

Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.

On June 27 2019 17:45 Pandain wrote:


If Jock is mafia Eywa probably is.
Almost certainly not with Kelsier. Also unlikely with shape, though I won't rule it out. I would rather lynch Trfel than believe a Jock-Kelsier team.

On June 27 2019 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I can agree with jock being mafia with pandain. I will check if that makes sense thread-sentiment-wise after i have slept (still havent after night shift). I heavily disagree with Pandain+Eywa combo.

On June 27 2019 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I dont remember who was buddying who or if it even can considered as buddying. Idk why that would be unsubtle, people can agree with each other regardless of alignment.

On June 27 2019 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF can you modkill HF because he doesn't sound like HF at all.

On June 27 2019 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
This game is fucking boring lol. I'm confirmed town and the 2 people everyone thinks are mafia are literally modkills and there was no night kill. I couldn't think of a more mundane scenario.

So I'll live in a world where there's a chance mafia grack made a play, however unlikely, just because it's more fun to. I don't currently think he's mafia but it's whatever. It's fun!

On June 27 2019 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like why do you do just what HF did and then basically tell him he is stupid for what he did?

On June 27 2019 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
maybe i dont. maybe someone else can take a look at it too.

On June 27 2019 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why did you pick me with grack and not ES / Trfel into your comment?

On June 27 2019 22:28 Koshi wrote:
Hi all. Will be on my best behaviour this game.

On June 27 2019 22:48 Koshi wrote:

Can somebody explain this post?

Bottom is mafia lynchers. Top is mafia reads I assume.

Grack blue
Rayn also blue?

So the lynch list is (in order of how likely we are to be able to lynch people):

On June 28 2019 03:46 Eversince wrote:
Is there a way I can contact mods? I don't want Slam banned for my action.

On June 28 2019 03:51 Eversince wrote:


Ok good, sorry I didn't know what to do and he posted again after posting in a couple other places. I didn't expect he would stay upset so long and then did something stupid.