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On June 24 2019 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Looks like i get to trust holyflare for once from the start. ![]() Blind trust is something you can always entrust in me. | ||
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Uhmm, Anyone buy into the idea that at least one of Pandain / Rayn is scum if not both? | ||
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On June 25 2019 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you a dumbass or mafia? Why are you not voting him? From my PoV, seems like you should be. | ||
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On June 25 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote: My main problem with rayn is that kelsier looks very bad in all aspects of his posts but rayn specifically went out of his way to defend kelsier while: Calling his posts out saying this is what mafia kelsier would do Ignoring all contradictory kelsier points Making mafia posts from Kelsier into town posts That would be because Rayn is scum and Kelsier is probably town right? | ||
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On June 25 2019 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you post some reasoning onto anything you say? You can start with why Pandain is mafia. His role PM would be the primary reason. | ||
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Good point, but we agree that Rayn is a suitable lynch for today? | ||
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On June 25 2019 23:51 Holyflare wrote: Quite likely a good lynch, yeah. I want to know your thoughts on the game though because so far all I know is a couple of lines with no substance. Why did you town read shapelog? Why do you mafia read rayn? I also town read Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I'll try to get back to you shortly, it's not super easy to do this from the office. | ||
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On June 25 2019 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well Eywa is mafia most likely too. This is the annoying type of scumplayer (Conversion looks the same usually) who are not considerred scum because they are "too abrasive to be mafia" when in fact nothing they say pretty much makes sense, and just get ignored. Furthermore waayyyyyyy different from last game where she actually tried to play and figure shit out (until we got onto a shitfight). Pandain my best bet for third scum just for calling Grackaroni mafia (or a lynch) for a claim that doesnt make any sense in his mind from mafia perspective, like basically he wants to lynch a townie and paints it as a "mafia read". Those are my reads, if i am wrong on something get slam in there, most likely everyone else is town. OMGUS | ||
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On June 25 2019 23:51 Holyflare wrote: Quite likely a good lynch, yeah. I want to know your thoughts on the game though because so far all I know is a couple of lines with no substance. Why did you town read shapelog? Why do you mafia read rayn? Shapelog was an early read, not a huge amount behind it, but it just seemed like he was trying to get the game going early on, out of RVS and he also introduced a little sliver of meta which I wouldn't expect him to even think about throwing in as scum. | ||
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Players who claim under pressure have a higher chance of flipping scum than players who claim when not under pressure. It's crazy how the scummiest player in the game always tends to claim before getting lynched. | ||
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On June 25 2019 23:51 Holyflare wrote: Quite likely a good lynch, yeah. I want to know your thoughts on the game though because so far all I know is a couple of lines with no substance. Why did you town read shapelog? Why do you mafia read rayn? For Rayn, I feel like a lot of his early posts are somewhat non-committal. He wonders why I have random town reads, gives a couple random town reads, over justifies his town read on Eversince, then agrees on my scum reads conditionally (before I even responded to his previous concerns about my town reads). I mean, I don't have any one thing about his play I don't like, but it feels like a very cautious start from him. I also don't like the pun on the town claim. | ||
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On June 26 2019 00:53 Pandain wrote: But Grackaroni was not under pressure at all. He had one vote on him (HF). And HF was the only person pushing him. If you're actually the doctor, is this when you feel compelled to claim? And basically forsake your whole role because it's very likely you will be roleblocked every single round? And there's plenty of reasons to fake claim doctor. I actually doubt there's any doctor at all (and it wouldn't seem very balanced considering we have a day-1 auto confirmed town who happens to be an active Vet, and yes these sort of things do play into a hosts' mind.) And if there does happen to be a real doctor who counter claims, that gives mafia a free roleblock +shot on HF. Even for a dead mafia that's not that bad a play. Conversely, if he gets away with his fake claim, he gets a bunch of town cred. Sure, but if he's not the doctor, we lynch him later in the game and there's no damage done. | ||
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On June 26 2019 00:55 Pandain wrote: I don't think Rayn is non-commital at all. He's hard defending Kelsier, pushed for SL, gave reads on a whole bunch of people. And what new reads would you have if Rayn flips town? Eh, he has 4 pages of content from just him, so I mean, yea... There was a shift to hard defense and some kind of push I must have missed in reading... But that doesn't change his early posting or how it poorly reflects on him. | ||
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On June 26 2019 00:59 Pandain wrote: Also Grack is literally the king of shenanigans. This is exactly something he would do Sure, but I still think he's good to keep around, see what develops around him. | ||
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On June 26 2019 01:42 Jockmcplop wrote: Despite the fact that he's been nearly universally read as mafia/null, I'd perfectly well accept that no-one wants to vote for Kiesler if someone could point me at a townie post of his. He's been here, so its not like he hasn't had the opportunity. I also find it a bit concerning when at least 4 people scumread a guy and no-one votes for them. It means they can't lose. Or it just means people aren't actually scum reading him for whatever reason. | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:00 Holyflare wrote: Wait nah we kill rayn. Best chance of being mafia, none of you will kill him later and he more than deserves it for ignoring really really relevant questions. ##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet No regrets. Don't ignore the confirmed town. This is the wagon I've been waiting for. | ||
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I've been waiting for this moment all my life | ||
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On June 26 2019 03:35 Eversince wrote: Also why can't Ewya/Slam be mafia with Kelsier? Probably because neither me nor Kelsier is mafia. That would be my guess. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:14 Eversince wrote: Wells since so many people around thoughts? Rayn has been scum and continues to be scum. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:23 Holyflare wrote: There's a lot of reasons to bus. You get credit, you're never getting shot over a claimed doctor and a named townie and even then there's still like 2 people ahead of you that can just as easily look town and get shot while you rest on your confirmed town laurels as mafia. Done it plenty of times. I think either Pandain or Rayn could be scum, but I don't think they are scum together. | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:39 Eversince wrote: Pand is fair game. I think he fits fine. Ewya's persistent push on me is annoying. Throw Kels and there's too many mafia. If Ewya explains her darn reads I could probably pass it off as town. Because sometime I'm unliked. I'm not pushing you. I'm pushing Rayn | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:44 Eversince wrote: I hope the first time I play here in a year doesn't fall to pieces.. We just need to lynch Rayn, then it's gravy | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:47 Eversince wrote: Still on my scum radar though. I'm town | ||
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On June 26 2019 06:52 Eversince wrote: Please still answer why you have such a mafia read on me. I want to know. I can't answer questions I don't know. You have to ask me them first. What questions are you trying to answer? | ||
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On June 26 2019 07:37 Holyflare wrote: I would absolutely be giving him space if I had the time but I am going to die so can't and he really should just answer my questions. He's stalling because I am going to die and then he doesn't have to answer them when I'm gone. So, promise me when I am dead you will ask him: A) What bullshit was going on in the thread that made him want to make a town case on Kelsier. <-- he said he said it in his filter but I can't see where B) Why was his later reason for town reading Kelsier based on him being proactive rather than reactive but nothing in the case he made earlier ever alluded to that reasoning? <--- he's already admitted that he didn't write it in his case, ask him why C) Why has he said that he needs to revisit Kelsier when Kelsier has not returned since Rayn made the town case on Kelsier, Kelsier did not vote so is afk, rayn scum reads the people pushing Kelsier? D) Why does Pandain look townie for eod pushing away from Slam after everything I've said? As long as these get answered without some hissy fit then you can let him play however he wants. C) Why I think the most likely answer to all of these is because he's scum. | ||
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On June 26 2019 23:14 Jockmcplop wrote: Hey everybody its RNG LYNCH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because there's no point in trying to work things out. Just shout names at random and hope the game solves itself. Well, it's not so much RNG. I'm town Jockmcplop town Grackaroni town HF town Trfel town Eversince town Pandain town (I think that his actions at the end of day 1 to look for a better lynch is very Towny, scum either bus or hit a player at 2 votes) That leaves a PoE of kelsier, shapelog and rayn... Might be a little too narrow, but I feel pretty strongly about the rest. Maybe Grackaroni falls into scum at mass claim... 2 confirmed townies should make this auto (or very near it) | ||
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Lock town Me HF Jock Trfel Prob town Pandain Eversince Grackaroni PoE Rayn Kelsier Shapelog Though, the fact that Rayn is also okay with that PoE either means he's town or there's a deep wolf, so I would prefer to shoot Rayn first for that reason. He should reason with this because he SHOULD have the same dielema as TOWN | ||
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On June 26 2019 23:29 Jockmcplop wrote: So lynch shapelog with us unless he gets got by a vigi! We're pretty much all working on the assumption that there's mafia between shapelog and kelsier so surely that's a good plan, no? No, that's a terrible plan. | ||
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On June 26 2019 23:32 Jockmcplop wrote: Feel free to explain this, or anything you have said so far, and then it'll be worth taking notice of. You have two players who both think the other is mafia, but share the same PoE. Either they are both town or the PoE is garbo. | ||
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On June 26 2019 23:35 Jockmcplop wrote: I disagree. I think the priority should still be trying to lynch mafia, and I'm fairly sure rayn isn't mafia. Unless you can convince me that there's at least some reasonable chance of rayn flipping red I'm not going near a rayn lynch. I disagree, you need to understand why there's a good chance of Rayn flipping mafia | ||
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On June 27 2019 01:14 Grackaroni wrote: I soooo want mafia to be Shapelog and Jock. I will be very pleased if that is the case. what | ||
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On June 27 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote: I don't get how some of you think only one of shapelog or kelsier is mafia but that nobody on the mafia team decided to stop those wagons at ANY point. Yeah, but this is why Rayn is a better lynch tomorrow. | ||
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*sigh* Mass claiming is bad today, if Grackaroni turns out to be mafia, we just lynch him closer to LyLo. Eversince shading me while calling me town is really awful. Almost seems like he's trying to line up my lynch while taking no responsibility. | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:05 Holyflare wrote: He replaced in at the day post, not the night. He wouldn't have been allowed to submit a kill. That seems like BS given that the replacement was requested before night. I don't see how the mod would process a no kill due to that technicality. If it was no kill, that slot is NOT MAFIA. But anyway, I think it's likely there was a kill and what's his name is actually a veteran or whatever. | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:06 Holyflare wrote: Just lynch pandain and then shapelog gets modkilled and we lynch koshi tomorrow. I don't love a pandain lynch. As mafia, he should always bus or hammer another player. Do you consider him to be a bad player? | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:07 Holyflare wrote: It's not bs, it's literally how it works lol. Eh, I would never apply that logic in a game I modded... | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:08 Eywa- wrote: I don't love a pandain lynch. As mafia, he should always bus or hammer another player. Do you consider him to be a bad player? Given... As town, he should probably let the lynch go through without last minute resistance, but I hear that's a thing here... Bleh... | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:10 Holyflare wrote: We're all friendly here and slam likes playing mafia. Bet the QT is like: Slam: yeah I love playing mafia but I have to go for 2 days with no wifi please don't let me die slam goes up for lynch Pandain: damn don't want to make slam feel sad yo Riiight... I guess that's possible, but it seems kind of silly. I'd be like better luck next time amigo. | ||
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On June 27 2019 06:52 Eversince wrote: This is exatly what I mean. You say some stuff. I try to engage you. You disspear forever. Wonder why I scum read you. Wait, so are you saying you're scum? | ||
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On June 27 2019 07:41 Jockmcplop wrote: Voting shapelog Not really here to talk though I'm freakin wasted maybe i'll hang out for a bit but you won't get anything useful from me. Ooooh. Is that different from the norm or same? Are you standing firm on all of your reads? | ||
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On June 27 2019 07:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Is what different? Not getting anything useful from me? I guess that depends on your perspective ![]() Am I standing firm? Fairly. I'm interested to see what happens with koshi. The more time that goes past without shapelog posting the more i want to lynch him. Rayn still seems town to me. Pandain/grack I'm not entirely sure about. Grack is looking less and less mafia to me as the days go by but i'm still somewhat suspicious of him. Pandain is hard to read this game. ES/trfel i'm still townreading based off the last vote, that ain't changing. Eywa, you are also starting to look more townlike, although I don't feel like I'm getting anything useful or interesting from you because I can't figure out how you're coming to your conclusions about anything. Well, that's fair, I'm not really trying to build any cases. Somehow my POE matches everyone else though to some degree. Which... IDK, is it normal here for people to share the same POE as everyone in the game and to act on it? I would expect people to be suspect of that... OR maybe it is as simple as 3 lurkers? | ||
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On June 27 2019 08:08 Jockmcplop wrote: I once tried playing a game on mafiascum but I didn't like it. The meta is different and I felt more offended by people's aggro because I couldn't detect much of a community element like there is here. The only other games I have played have been here. Yeah, MafiaScum is terrible lol. | ||
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On June 27 2019 16:04 Eversince wrote: Like this post. I try to explain my read. Nothing for a reasponce but 'this makes you mafia?; I was trying to townread Eywa before her relentless push of me never ended. If I'm not obvious town to anyone yet freakin' talk to me. I've made a serious effort to be about. Why are you trying to town read me? | ||
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On June 27 2019 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain is a planner kinda guy as mafia. You know like if me and you were in a mafia team, we would have a plan on how the game would draw out, what will most likely happen and how to deal with certain situations etc... I see no common ground regarding a mafia team plan between those two people, i mean like if one of theirs gets under suspicion they are likely fucked because they can't have enough alternatives to push based on how they have played. Quick example, eywa started the game with calling a quick lynch on pandain. It doesn't mean she can't be mafia with pandain but it means (when she didn't back off -- and tried to make me look like pandain's partner) that she can't pretty much be on a same lynch with pandain without looking bad. Maybe he came up with a brilliant plan and his inactive scum buddies executed to perfection. | ||
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On June 27 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: I don't ever plan and I don't think eywa is the kind of person to listen to any plan lol. How do you plan around an afk slam and unruly eywa? Impossible. It's probably just sit and hope nothing goes to shit and then when it did that's why pandain panicked. Hey! That's what I said! | ||
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Tbh, his vote on Slamkazam seems kind of like a throwaway that accidentally turned into a lynch. There is no reasoning behind it, though he keeps complaining about a lack of reasoning for me, so clearly he's the type of player that would have a case why slam is so much of a better lynch than his day 2 choice right? | ||
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On June 27 2019 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I found it interesting since i am gameplaywise nowhere near as "confirmed" as Trfel and ES are, and Eywa btw thinks i am mafia. It probably means nothing but whatever. I don't think you're mafia, I do think your posts mostly serve as a smokescreen for mafia though. | ||
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