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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:04 GMT
#1165
On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.

I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.


We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?

Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.

So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain?


I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it.
On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.

It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.



Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what?

I don't understand what you are saying here
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:14 GMT
#1171
On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)?


No idea :D

I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy.

He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!).

This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible.


Dude you guys don't fucking read.
It's not just about information and I would never lynch someone just based on information.

It was the fact that at the end of the day I was certain slam was town. I was not certain about Rayn.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:14 GMT
#1172
Like seriously HF it's like you actively block out information that doesn't agree with your narrative.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:15 GMT
#1173
And your damn right I knew you wanted to vote Rayn and that's why I picked Rayn. Becuase literally there was no one else who could have been lynched at that time between Rayn and Slam, and I was certain slam was town.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:20 GMT
#1177
On June 27 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)?


No idea :D

I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy.

He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!).

This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible.


Dude you guys don't fucking read.
It's not just about information and I would never lynch someone just based on information.

It was the fact that at the end of the day I was certain slam was town. I was not certain about Rayn.

the problem is you wanted to lynch me (town read) over shapelog (null read).
and you have yet to explain why. you pushed all the other wagons except for shapelog, and i dont know why, since i was your townread and shapelog was not.


I would definitely have voted shape. Problem is that even if I did he would not have had enough votes to be lynched because it would be tied 3-3 with slam reaching 3 first
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:21 GMT
#1178
On June 27 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:
Like seriously HF it's like you actively block out information that doesn't agree with your narrative.


That's exactly what I do when the only person providing an alternative narrative is the guy I'm calling mafia and I just think your version is a lot less plausible than the really obvious one. Sorry


Well you were completely wrong last game with the same exact logic and if I ever flip you will be completely wrong this time again.

This is your biggest flaw. You get crazy tunneled on specific people and actively refuse to see any counter evidence.
I'm going to ignore you now becuase thank god no one is really listening to you besides Trfel.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:23 GMT
#1179
Like HF you have been so wrong every single of the last 4/5 games I've played with you. And it's for the same reasons every time, you get crazy tunneled on people and refuse to look outside the box.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:25 GMT
#1180
It was hilarious when I was mafia but it's really annoying when I'm town. You're actually an anti-town player as town.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:30 GMT
#1182
On June 27 2019 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 18:20 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 27 2019 18:14 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh i am going to bounce ideas here HF if that's okay? I am not sure i can stay awake enough to actually make a educated decision. Why don't jock + pandain on at least some level agree to shapelog D1 (or if they did, why didn't they use it when the shit hit the fan)?


No idea :D

I do think it's much more likely to just be pandain shapelog since if shape was town I'd think it would be a much better pile to jump on if I was mafia trying to save my buddy.

He did only have 2 minutes though so not really sure he could have swayed people. That's why pandain vote on you is so ridiculously opportune. There's no way he goes out of his way to lynch his town read (you) for information™ over just slam who he said was a good lynch or shapelog who 2 people were already voting (you, his town read, and grack his mafia read so lots more info!).

This means he knew thread sentiment. He knew I could try and be swayed and he knew I was on his partner so he goes for the most opportune switch possible.


Dude you guys don't fucking read.
It's not just about information and I would never lynch someone just based on information.

It was the fact that at the end of the day I was certain slam was town. I was not certain about Rayn.

the problem is you wanted to lynch me (town read) over shapelog (null read).
and you have yet to explain why. you pushed all the other wagons except for shapelog, and i dont know why, since i was your townread and shapelog was not.


I would definitely have voted shape. Problem is that even if I did he would not have had enough votes to be lynched because it would be tied 3-3 with slam reaching 3 first

why did you try to convince HF to vote for me over Shapelog? Did HF ever say Shapelog is town?
Even if he did, ans i know he was possibly moving onto me, why did you try to convince him of lynching your townread over a null read (based on your principles you showed on Slam if we assume you're town here).


listen bud I pushed hard for kelsier and grack for 47 hours and 59 minutes of the first day. The last minute (even the last 30 seconds) I just tried to find

If I had made a post like "want to lynch shape" when HF had actively been against lynching shape (case in point: he decided to go for a complete null read in slam) it would never work.

You can say that I was trying to defend slam because I'm mafia. That's fine logic. But don't say stuff like "you could have done something else" because in my perspective, where I am 100% sure slam is town, I did the only things i could.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:30 GMT
#1183
i didnt finish the first paragraph but im sure you get my point
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:31 GMT
#1184
On June 27 2019 18:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 18:04 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.

I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.


We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?

Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.

So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain?


I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it.
On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.

It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.



Dumb though. He just says he was drawing a shot and is vt and then what?

I don't understand what you are saying here


You're saying grack is confirmed town because regardless of if he got shot or not he wouldn't claim as mafia?

What happens when you find out end game that no shot happened, grack rescinds his claim day 2 and claims vt just trying to draw a shot and there's a jk or something? You just jump to him being town and don't think of any possible mafia strategy that they absolutely need to have in a 3 confirmed town game with a named townie and 1 mafia dead.

grack is literally never mafia here. it's way too likely there is another protective role that could counterclaim.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:33 GMT
#1186
On June 27 2019 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that doesnt answer the question.
where was HF ever heavily against lynching Shape?


On June 26 2019 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 04:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Hey HF I’ll make a deal with you. If you lynch Shapelog and he flips town I will join the rayn train tomorrow. :O


Just quote your post where you scum read shapelog because I don't agree with Rayn's.


Read this. He actively went against voting shape.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:34 GMT
#1187
and read grack's first comment
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:35 GMT
#1188
in the spoiler i mean in the above post
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:37 GMT
#1190
ok sure but im angry so i dont think rational.

also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:38 GMT
#1191
Like no one had a "Good play there" it was a lazy option. and honestly a waste after a lot of good day 1 discussion. He just happened to RNG mafia, but there was no way to tell because he was completely afk
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:42 GMT
#1194
On June 27 2019 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk"

which is exactly why everyone can take credit for it. everyone who voted for slam could have just done whatever the fuck you did and be "townie" because "wooooo we get no info for a afk lynch".


Ok sure HF is town, but we already knew that because he's confirmed. Doesn't make the play good.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:49 GMT
#1198
I'm done posting. Going to afk for the rest of the day. I made my opinions clear, if you don't know them then reread my filter. If you think it's unrealistic, that's okay. If you think it's less likely than me being mafia, that's also okay. It's what this game is, trying to decide what you think is best.

If Shape still hasn't posted by end of day and will be modkilled I will change my vote to Kelsier/Koshi (because for reasons ive already stated we win 100% of the time if they are both dead by N2).
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 19:10 GMT
#1281
GG wp all. Sucks mafia was afk
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 19:24:23
June 27 2019 19:11 GMT
#1282
Thanks koshi for subbing
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