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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 26 2019 21:15 GMT
#986
I want to clarify that me lynching rayn because it provided more information was not even the main reason why i voted. The main reason is that I was more certain, based on the ending votes, that Slam was town than I was certain than Rayn was town. The information was just a side thing.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 26 2019 22:15 GMT
#994
On June 27 2019 06:23 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 06:15 Pandain wrote:
I want to clarify that me lynching rayn because it provided more information was not even the main reason why i voted. The main reason is that I was more certain, based on the ending votes, that Slam was town than I was certain than Rayn was town. The information was just a side thing.


You claimed you vote Rayn becuase anyone other than Grack gives better information. We know that is false now. Don't change your story.


I feel like you don't even read my posts. This is why it's frustrating talking to you.

On June 26 2019 06:55 Pandain wrote:
I'm completely null on shape.

I was certain that slam was town, and even if I voted SL it would still be a slam lynch.

So i was trying to get you to vote rayn, where there was a small chance he was scum.


On June 26 2019 06:57 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 06:57 Eversince wrote:
On June 26 2019 06:55 Pandain wrote:
I'm completely null on shape.

I was certain that slam was town, and even if I voted SL it would still be a slam lynch.

So i was trying to get you to vote rayn, where there was a small chance he was scum.


Why vote Rayn though? There wasn't a reason and still isn't.


5% chance (rayn) is better than 0% chance (slam)

And imo Slam was even worse than a regular town lynch, because we would have gotten no information out of a slam lynch if he was town.


On June 26 2019 15:52 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 15:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 26 2019 15:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It still doesn't explain why you were choosing to lynch your 95% townread over slam.

Like literally, how is it better if let's say you, hf and grack vote for me and i flip town than if slam had flipped town?


And again, in my mind Slam was nearly certain town. You are probably town. There's a big difference. I will always choose to lynch a "probable town" over a "near-certain" town, all other things held equal.


I think there's like 10 more posts like this. I found these in a minute. Are you just choosing to spout out whatever comes out of your mouth without fact-checking or is it unintentional?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 26 2019 22:16 GMT
#995
On June 27 2019 06:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 06:15 Pandain wrote:
I want to clarify that me lynching rayn because it provided more information was not even the main reason why i voted. The main reason is that I was more certain, based on the ending votes, that Slam was town than I was certain than Rayn was town. The information was just a side thing.

I believe you but I think you were wrong to think that because the lynch was lead by confirmed town HF.


Doesn't mean he's right at all. In fact HF is usually wrong. Case in point: his two biggest scum reads are (were?) me and Rayn. Extra lol @ thinking rayn is scum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 26 2019 22:19 GMT
#996
On June 27 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Pandain what exactly are your reads now?


Extremely extremely town read on Grack that will never change unless/until more people claim.

So that leaves Shape/Kelsier/Eywa/Jock for last possible scum.

Don't think the last two are scum, but it's possible. First two options are afkers so it's hard so it's basically a coin flip maybe between the two. Honestly though I haven't done a heavy enough analysis to choose which one I will definitely pick, so I will analyze all the four tomorrow hopefully.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 26 2019 22:20 GMT
#997
I just think we never lose if we stick to those 4.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 26 2019 22:27 GMT
#999
Do you think we should read into the fact that shape was not modkilled?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 26 2019 22:30 GMT
#1000
Putting a vote on Shapelog. It's 1:30 AM here and I have even more work to do so I won't do any meaningful analysis until 9 or so hours, though I'm free to answer any questions or thoughts
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 07:41 GMT
#1113
I'm 100% down with voting shape and if he still stays AFK we switch to Kelsier at the end.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 07:56 GMT
#1126
On June 27 2019 16:48 Holyflare wrote:
Pandain + x!


A real image of HF desperately climbing through his tunenl

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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:09 GMT
#1128
From my perspective all we need to do is lynch through Jock, Shape, Kelsier, and Eywa. Shape and Kelsier being first on the list.

There's no way we lose since 100% the last two mafia are in there and we can afford two mislynches. I don't see any world where Rayn or ES is mafia. 0%.

From your perspective, if Shape is modkilled, there's still no way we lose even if he is town and we lynch another townie. That will leave me, Jock, and Eywa as possible scum. It will be 5 vs 2 and we can afford one mislynch, meaning we can go through me, jock, and eywa with no problem even if we mislynch first.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:10 GMT
#1129
If Shape is town he can actually gurantee a town victory by being modkilled, funnily enough.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:21 GMT
#1134
On June 27 2019 17:14 Holyflare wrote:
You say words like guaranteed victory a lot by just arbitrarily confirming people.


ES is most active player + voted slam. 100% town.
You are confirmed. 100% town
Rayn is extremely active and genuinely contributing good poitns. Could have easily been pushing me. His evolution towards me seems genuine (going from mafia to town). 99% town.
Trfel voted Slam decisive vote + if he was trying to bus he could have done it way better than just saying "Idk" during the vote. 90% town.


Those are great group of near-confirmed towns to work for.

I think if any of Eywa, Shape, Kelsier, or Jock are the last blue role they should claim.

If one of them are the last blue role, there is actually a 0% chance we lose this even if Trfel is scum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:22 GMT
#1136
On June 27 2019 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 19:12 Pandain wrote:
In my opinion, Eversince is practically confirmed town. Jock, Rayn, and Trefel are 98% town.

Grack and Ewya are null to slightly town.

Keslier and Shape are likely mafia.

why is jock on your list of mafia candidates?


He's not my first pick at all. He's just a possibility. I'm saying if we lynch through these 4 we will never lose.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:24 GMT
#1139
We are never lynching Grack. I would lynch Trfel beforehand.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:32 GMT
#1143
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.

I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.


We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?

Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:45 GMT
#1148
On June 27 2019 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 17:22 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 26 2019 19:12 Pandain wrote:
In my opinion, Eversince is practically confirmed town. Jock, Rayn, and Trefel are 98% town.

Grack and Ewya are null to slightly town.

Keslier and Shape are likely mafia.

why is jock on your list of mafia candidates?


He's not my first pick at all. He's just a possibility. I'm saying if we lynch through these 4 we will never lose.

Okay which of those other three can he be mafia with and why?


If Jock is mafia Eywa probably is.
Almost certainly not with Kelsier. Also unlikely with shape, though I won't rule it out. I would rather lynch Trfel than believe a Jock-Kelsier team.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:46 GMT
#1149
On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.

I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.


We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?

Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.

So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain?


I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it.
On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.

It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:52 GMT
#1154
On June 27 2019 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.

I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.


We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?

Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.

So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain?


I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it.
On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.

It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.


I know, you magically realised it right after someone absorbed a shot. It's like almost way too convenient. What you just said has been said for ages but only after there is a no-kill you are able to realise it. And also after that, jock magically appears in your "possible scum pile". When you should have no reason to call him mafia over lets say me.


I don't think it was ever said.
I still don't think jock is scum. He's just less Towny than trfel es or you.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 08:53 GMT
#1156
Like you are grossly conflating my "there is a nonzero chance jock is scum and so he is in the possible lynch pile" with "I think he's scum". It's just process of elimination for me.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 27 2019 09:03 GMT
#1164
On June 27 2019 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 17:52 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:46 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:32 Pandain wrote:
On June 27 2019 17:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alright then if we're never lynching grack put him with hf and we have an even bigger chance of winning.

I'm shit at figuring out roleclaims and what they mean, mostly they just confuse me, so in every game I play I have a similar conversation to this at some point. If y'all are sure grack is absolutely confirmed town then yeah I'll go along with it just out of ignorance.


We know there are three blues. HF is one. That means if everyone who has a blue claims and we have three total, those three people are confirmed. Because the host has confirmed there are three. Does that make sense?

Grack is not confirmed "yet" per se. But once the last blue is revealed (it always happens sooner rather than later) we will be able to know he is either telling the truth (3 claims total) or someone is lying (more than 3 blue claims)
That's also why if you or kelsier or shape or eywa are blue you should claim. Because you will be the last confirmed town and there's no way we will lose.

So like you tell us this, but you thought Grack is mafia after his claim even during N1? Want to explain?


I just didn't realize it. I actually post when I realize it.
On June 27 2019 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Brilliant Grack.

It actually doesn't even matter if you got shot or not. What I didn't realize from your claim is that you're essentially town-confirmed (or at least you will be later on once all roles are claimed tomorrow or the day after). This is because we know for a fact there are three blue roles. Once three people claim and no others claim, we know the three are deifnitely town.


I know, you magically realised it right after someone absorbed a shot. It's like almost way too convenient. What you just said has been said for ages but only after there is a no-kill you are able to realise it. And also after that, jock magically appears in your "possible scum pile". When you should have no reason to call him mafia over lets say me.


I don't think it was ever said.
I still don't think jock is scum. He's just less Towny than trfel es or you.

Not in those exact words but yes it was.
Why am i not mafia with Kelsier? Why is my whole play not mafia if Kelsier is mafia?

No I don't think it was ever said. Maybe I missed it but honestly the thought never came across my mind.
Why are you not mafia with kelsier? I don't think you are mafia with ANYONE.
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