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On June 26 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 07:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Grack: Stupid time to claim, don't like his read progression (it seems forced/unnatural). This argument that I'm following thread sentiment is pretty suspicious to me. I've given my own reasons for whatever push I've made and I don't think that's an accurate description of my filter. My reads have been changing fluidly. I don't believe Jock's have so far. They haven't been changing fluidly though, more like suddenly and often...
Which ones do you mean?
You say that I've been following thread sentiment, but I contributed my own ideas on Shapelog after I saw Rayn talking about him.
The other 3 people I mentioned just said they agreed with what Rayn wrote, which was just a convoluted meta-reason of how Rayn expects Shapelog to read a post, which I don't see how anyone who isn't Rayn can agree with without their own reasons.
Really the more that I think about it the more bullshit I think your push is. There were lots of people that "followed thread sentiment" on Kelsier/Shapelog. Kelsier was probably right about you just wanting to jump in with HF from the start of the game.
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On June 26 2019 07:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:28 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. I don't think your question about what bullshit he was trying to stop was unreasonable. You could be on to something with why he was so quick to shut down pressure on Kelsier and doesn't want to talk about him doing that. I don't think you've ever given a conclusion on Shapelog though. You wrote a post saying that Rayn's argument was bad but nothing really about what I said or Shapelog's filter in general. I could very easily be wrong but I think he has a good chance of being scum. I can't be bothered, he's posted almost nothing noteworthy but that doesn't make him any alignment. Unless you posted something amazing about Shape it's just a coin toss to me. I'm not going back on my phone to check so better get quoting :D
lol I quoted it to you earlier.
But no it's not amazing.
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When was the timing that I scumread ES and what felt wrong about it?
So far I've heard that I'm following thread sentiment and that I'm also frequently changing reads (suddenly) at weird timings. You'll have to be more specific about why I'm mafia because I don't follow it.
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This really isn't my first run in with you either.
I mentioned that you liked Rayn's Shapelog post and then you tried to contradict me, which doesn't sit well with me because you answered to Rayn that you would lynch Shapelog if it we were at the deadline.
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On June 26 2019 07:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
I literally told rayn why I thought his post was wrong and you say that's me liking rayn's post.
Yeah you're right it does seem like you understood the point that Rayn was making.
I still wouldn't interpret it as you saying the case was wrong though, you said that it was interesting and then qualified that it's not a slam dunk case because Shapelog could have interpreted the post differently as town too.
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On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation.
My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk.
I first got into that idea here
+ Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince
Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you.
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Tbh though it just reads to me like you came up with the idea that I attacked two people who already been pressured and never bothered to update that read based on things I've done in the thread.
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On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon.
You've been talking about me/Ksc being opposite alignments I believe.
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On June 26 2019 08:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. You've been talking about me/Ksc being opposite alignments I believe.
Nvm either that was someone else or I misread.
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It might have been Pandain.
I checked through your filter and it wasn't you.
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On June 26 2019 08:17 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order.
I don't think this has been properly understood yet:
If someone else wants to counterclaim a non-investigative role tomorrow please go ahead. Otherwise I am not the lynch.
There's a decent chance that mafia roleblocks me and shoots HF. If people want to lynch me then someone else needs to put their neck on the line tomorrow and make a counterclaim of a defensive blue role. I am even willing to be the first one lynched in that claim war for making a dumb claim. (1 scum for a blue claim is a very worthwhile trade right now if I am mafia, so there is no reason not to counterclaim.)
FF likely balanced the setup based on role classes. I am 95% sure there will be one defensive blue (Doctor/Veteran/Jailkeeper), and one investigative (Vig/Parity Cop/Tracker.)
If nobody claims one of the first 3 roles then it is a massive blunder to lynch me.
Even HF will admit that this is correct. Good night. 
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On June 26 2019 08:40 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:37 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:17 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order. I don't think this has been properly understood yet: If someone else wants to counterclaim a non-investigative role tomorrow please go ahead. Otherwise I am not the lynch. There's a decent chance that mafia roleblocks me and shoots HF. If people want to lynch me then someone else needs to put their neck on the line tomorrow and make a counterclaim of a defensive blue role. I am even willing to be the first one lynched in that claim war for making a dumb claim. (1 scum for a blue claim is a very worthwhile trade right now if I am mafia, so there is no reason not to counterclaim.) FF likely balanced the setup based on role classes. I am 95% sure there will be one defensive blue (Doctor/Veteran/Jailkeeper), and one investigative (Vig/Parity Cop/Tracker.) If nobody claims one of the first 3 roles then it is a massive blunder to lynch me. Even HF will admit that this is correct. Good night. Who would you save tonight?
Holyflare. The shot will 100% be either me or him.
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On June 26 2019 08:44 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:40 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:40 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 08:37 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:17 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. I think the whole argument is silly.Grack claimed doc. I he doesn't die tonight we lynch him. What mafia is going to let a town run loose with conf doc? This is what I meant before when I said I didn't care about his claim unless it caused chaos. It's a problem that will sort itself out short order. I don't think this has been properly understood yet: If someone else wants to counterclaim a non-investigative role tomorrow please go ahead. Otherwise I am not the lynch. There's a decent chance that mafia roleblocks me and shoots HF. If people want to lynch me then someone else needs to put their neck on the line tomorrow and make a counterclaim of a defensive blue role. I am even willing to be the first one lynched in that claim war for making a dumb claim. (1 scum for a blue claim is a very worthwhile trade right now if I am mafia, so there is no reason not to counterclaim.) FF likely balanced the setup based on role classes. I am 95% sure there will be one defensive blue (Doctor/Veteran/Jailkeeper), and one investigative (Vig/Parity Cop/Tracker.) If nobody claims one of the first 3 roles then it is a massive blunder to lynch me. Even HF will admit that this is correct. Good night. Who would you save tonight? Holyflare. The shot will 100% be either me or him. Let's make this interesting then. I'm tracker. I can follow to confirm you. HF is already confirmed. Me being able to show who I tracked will confirm me. We can get 3 conf town. and just end this shenanigans.
Unless you think I'm mafia I wouldn't recommend it.
Either HF dies and I am roleblocked and you see me visiting nobody, or I am night killed.
If you do track me and I am mafia you could potentially see me carrying the night kill or roleblocking somebody though. Though actually you may have given mafia a new person to RB/night kill.
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You being tracker does make things interesting if true because then mafia has to leave HF alive.
They can't risk being tracked so they will have to either RB me and shoot you or RB you and shoot me.
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On June 26 2019 08:53 Eversince wrote:
Only if I track the right person. So who if not to confirm you?
That's not up to me and I don't think it's worth discussing in thread.
Even the chance of being tracked is a serious threat to mafia.
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You can talk with drunk Rayn?
He might swear at you, but he's secretly very cuddly.
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My favorite is that Slam chooses the post that everyone else in thread says makes no sense to mindmeld. 
On June 26 2019 06:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Mindmeld eywa a little. Was early at this point though.
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On June 26 2019 23:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Take your shot grack. I'm definitely not mafia, although I would like to see what you think you have.
Goes back to this.
On June 26 2019 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Grack: Stupid time to claim, don't like his read progression (it seems forced/unnatural). This argument that I'm following thread sentiment is pretty suspicious to me. I've given my own reasons for whatever push I've made and I don't think that's an accurate description of my filter. My reads have been changing fluidly. I don't believe Jock's have so far.
Your reads are too confident. I don't see enough doubt in any of your play. I don't think that's your town play.
The biggest shift I can see over the night is you upgrading me from scum to *scum lean* (I can really see the doubt creeping into your mind!) and then you assuring HF that Trfel cannot be mafia because of his vote.
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Rayn and Pandain are both likely town and likely to be pushed by HF tomorrow so HF will probably survive the night.
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