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On June 26 2019 07:13 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:03 Eversince wrote:
Opinions Jock? Everything since night one started I need to reread. I'm terrible at analyzing mechanical stuff for some reason so the whole thing about roles I just haven't got my head around yet. Pandain def looks bad for the last couple of hours but I don't think anything has changed too much about my reads. I still like at least one of Grack and KSC for mafia. Fair. I'm a really slow English reader myself. How long before you can make thoughts? Is there something specific you wanted my thoughts on? Right now my thoughts are "I can't believe slam was mafia." I'll be here a while chatting though so anything you think I should look at just let me know and I'll try and summon an opinion. (I've been at band practice after work so I'm fucking shattered - Complex logic isn't going to happen) Just a general pile of reads. I think your town I just want your thoughts on everything here since you're here. Don't bother formatting if you don't feel like doing it.
This is a good point I haven't made any kind of comprehensive reads list yet at all. I'll get on it now,give me 20 minutes.
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On June 26 2019 07:09 Eversince wrote:I', glad Grack  ! Choices for tomorrow?
Shapelog/Eywa/Kelsier.
I still think Rayn and Jock are both possible but they're both better off left for later. I would be very surprised if Pandain is mafia.
If someone else wants to counterclaim a non-investigative role tomorrow please go ahead. Otherwise there's really no point in lynching me tomorrow, and I hope people can see that.
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I think it was you that asked me why I was talking about Jock earlier, I think his play is townie so far, but I'm comparing him to a higher bar than a lot of players because I think he is capable of pretty townie play as mafia.
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On June 26 2019 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:13 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:03 Eversince wrote:
Opinions Jock? Everything since night one started I need to reread. I'm terrible at analyzing mechanical stuff for some reason so the whole thing about roles I just haven't got my head around yet. Pandain def looks bad for the last couple of hours but I don't think anything has changed too much about my reads. I still like at least one of Grack and KSC for mafia. Fair. I'm a really slow English reader myself. How long before you can make thoughts? Is there something specific you wanted my thoughts on? Right now my thoughts are "I can't believe slam was mafia." I'll be here a while chatting though so anything you think I should look at just let me know and I'll try and summon an opinion. (I've been at band practice after work so I'm fucking shattered - Complex logic isn't going to happen) Just a general pile of reads. I think your town I just want your thoughts on everything here since you're here. Don't bother formatting if you don't feel like doing it. This is a good point I haven't made any kind of comprehensive reads list yet at all. I'll get on it now,give me 20 minutes.
Thanks! I'm hold you to it;)!
I've got a to get my face in the mud though.
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On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on.
How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid?
The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing.
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On June 26 2019 07:21 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it was you that asked me why I was talking about Jock earlier, I think his play is townie so far, but I'm comparing him to a higher bar than a lot of players because I think he is capable of pretty townie play as mafia.
Ok. I think his play is town.In-active for a long while but I am very quilty of that.
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On June 26 2019 07:13 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:10 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. I already knew Rayn could get haywire. I made a post about it already. We'll see if it happens  Here's my version of hf's thought process: "Shit everyone knows i'm town I can't fake claim or act anti-town so how can I have fun? OH RAYN'S PLAYING"
I would never intentionally make someone feel bad for my entertainment like that, ever. I really just want answers to my questions!
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Town:
ES - I've gone back and forth on this but the slam lynch wins you conftown, gratz
HF - Town
Trfel - Killed slam
Town lean
Rayn - I completely disagree with the motivation hf has attributed to his posting, although I think he's wrong about some reads.
Pandain - He's pushing for the same lynches as me and surely no-one would be stupid enough to overtly try and stop a slam lynch right near end of day as mafia.... surely, right?
Null
Shapelog - Could well be mafia.I haven't seen anything that specifically suggests scum though.
Scum lean
Eywa - Has improved lately but still an annoying of throwing reads out randomly and leaving them unexplained which distracts people, so anti-town or mafia.
Scum:ONE OR MORE OF
KSC: No good posts at all. The posts he has made he either immediately goes back on (the trfel thing early on) or doubles down on a stupid misreading and then does nothing else but argue about that. Make some reads dude.
Grack: Stupid time to claim, don't like his read progression (it seems forced/unnatural).
I think I'm going to try and write a case next.
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On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing.
I don't think your question about what bullshit he was trying to stop was unreasonable.
You could be on to something with why he was so quick to shut down pressure on Kelsier and doesn't want to talk about him doing that.
I don't think you've ever given a conclusion on Shapelog though. You wrote a post saying that Rayn's argument was bad but nothing really about what I said or Shapelog's filter in general.
I could very easily be wrong but I think he has a good chance of being scum.
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On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing.
HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too.
Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please !.
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On June 26 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:10 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. I already knew Rayn could get haywire. I made a post about it already. We'll see if it happens Here's my version of hf's thought process: "Shit everyone knows i'm town I can't fake claim or act anti-town so how can I have fun? OH RAYN'S PLAYING" I would never intentionally make someone feel bad for my entertainment like that, ever. I really just want answers to my questions!
I was being tongue-in-cheek
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On June 26 2019 07:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Grack: Stupid time to claim, don't like his read progression (it seems forced/unnatural).
This argument that I'm following thread sentiment is pretty suspicious to me. I've given my own reasons for whatever push I've made and I don't think that's an accurate description of my filter.
My reads have been changing fluidly. I don't believe Jock's have so far.
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And also again, good luck lynching me.
Mafia has to send somebody out with a non-investigative counterclaim, and I'm happy to take that trade. But it needs to be done tomorrow or whoever makes the claim should be the lynch 100%.
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On June 26 2019 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Grack: Stupid time to claim, don't like his read progression (it seems forced/unnatural). This argument that I'm following thread sentiment is pretty suspicious to me. I've given my own reasons for whatever push I've made and I don't think that's an accurate description of my filter. My reads have been changing fluidly. I don't believe Jock's have so far.
They haven't been changing fluidly though, more like suddenly and often...
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On June 26 2019 07:28 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too. Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please !.
I would absolutely be giving him space if I had the time but I am going to die so can't and he really should just answer my questions. He's stalling because I am going to die and then he doesn't have to answer them when I'm gone.
So, promise me when I am dead you will ask him:
A) What bullshit was going on in the thread that made him want to make a town case on Kelsier. <-- he said he said it in his filter but I can't see where
B) Why was his later reason for town reading Kelsier based on him being proactive rather than reactive but nothing in the case he made earlier ever alluded to that reasoning? <--- he's already admitted that he didn't write it in his case, ask him why
C) Why has he said that he needs to revisit Kelsier when Kelsier has not returned since Rayn made the town case on Kelsier, Kelsier did not vote so is afk, rayn scum reads the people pushing Kelsier?
D) Why does Pandain look townie for eod pushing away from Slam after everything I've said?
As long as these get answered without some hissy fit then you can let him play however he wants.
C) Why
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On June 26 2019 07:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:28 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too. Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please !. I would absolutely be giving him space if I had the time but I am going to die so can't and he really should just answer my questions. He's stalling because I am going to die and then he doesn't have to answer them when I'm gone. So, promise me when I am dead you will ask him: A) What bullshit was going on in the thread that made him want to make a town case on Kelsier. <-- he said he said it in his filter but I can't see where B) Why was his later reason for town reading Kelsier based on him being proactive rather than reactive but nothing in the case he made earlier ever alluded to that reasoning? <--- he's already admitted that he didn't write it in his case, ask him why C) Why has he said that he needs to revisit Kelsier when Kelsier has not returned since Rayn made the town case on Kelsier, Kelsier did not vote so is afk, rayn scum reads the people pushing Kelsier? D) Why does Pandain look townie for eod pushing away from Slam after everything I've said? As long as these get answered without some hissy fit then you can let him play however he wants. C) Why
I think the most likely answer to all of these is because he's scum.
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On June 26 2019 07:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:28 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too. Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please !. I would absolutely be giving him space if I had the time but I am going to die so can't and he really should just answer my questions. He's stalling because I am going to die and then he doesn't have to answer them when I'm gone. So, promise me when I am dead you will ask him: A) What bullshit was going on in the thread that made him want to make a town case on Kelsier. <-- he said he said it in his filter but I can't see where B) Why was his later reason for town reading Kelsier based on him being proactive rather than reactive but nothing in the case he made earlier ever alluded to that reasoning? <--- he's already admitted that he didn't write it in his case, ask him why C) Why has he said that he needs to revisit Kelsier when Kelsier has not returned since Rayn made the town case on Kelsier, Kelsier did not vote so is afk, rayn scum reads the people pushing Kelsier? D) Why does Pandain look townie for eod pushing away from Slam after everything I've said? As long as these get answered without some hissy fit then you can let him play however he wants. C) Why
I'll stick my nose to it. Answer me one question. Last point "C:why": what you mean?
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On June 26 2019 07:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. I don't think your question about what bullshit he was trying to stop was unreasonable. You could be on to something with why he was so quick to shut down pressure on Kelsier and doesn't want to talk about him doing that. I don't think you've ever given a conclusion on Shapelog though. You wrote a post saying that Rayn's argument was bad but nothing really about what I said or Shapelog's filter in general. I could very easily be wrong but I think he has a good chance of being scum.
I can't be bothered, he's posted almost nothing noteworthy but that doesn't make him any alignment. Unless you posted something amazing about Shape it's just a coin toss to me. I'm not going back on my phone to check so better get quoting :D
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