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On June 26 2019 07:40 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:37 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:28 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. HF give him half of day2 ok? I think you both just need a chance to cool off. Or go just in a lake. That would do too. Fighting between eachother is useless though. Since I know for a fact your town. Believe Rayn is town.. Just stop for that time please  !. I would absolutely be giving him space if I had the time but I am going to die so can't and he really should just answer my questions. He's stalling because I am going to die and then he doesn't have to answer them when I'm gone. So, promise me when I am dead you will ask him: A) What bullshit was going on in the thread that made him want to make a town case on Kelsier. <-- he said he said it in his filter but I can't see where B) Why was his later reason for town reading Kelsier based on him being proactive rather than reactive but nothing in the case he made earlier ever alluded to that reasoning? <--- he's already admitted that he didn't write it in his case, ask him why C) Why has he said that he needs to revisit Kelsier when Kelsier has not returned since Rayn made the town case on Kelsier, Kelsier did not vote so is afk, rayn scum reads the people pushing Kelsier? D) Why does Pandain look townie for eod pushing away from Slam after everything I've said? As long as these get answered without some hissy fit then you can let him play however he wants. C) Why I'll stick my nose to it. Answer me one question. Last point "C:why": what you mean?
It was just a copy paste mishap. I think it's quite poignant though.
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On June 26 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 07:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Grack: Stupid time to claim, don't like his read progression (it seems forced/unnatural). This argument that I'm following thread sentiment is pretty suspicious to me. I've given my own reasons for whatever push I've made and I don't think that's an accurate description of my filter. My reads have been changing fluidly. I don't believe Jock's have so far. They haven't been changing fluidly though, more like suddenly and often...
Which ones do you mean?
You say that I've been following thread sentiment, but I contributed my own ideas on Shapelog after I saw Rayn talking about him.
The other 3 people I mentioned just said they agreed with what Rayn wrote, which was just a convoluted meta-reason of how Rayn expects Shapelog to read a post, which I don't see how anyone who isn't Rayn can agree with without their own reasons.
Really the more that I think about it the more bullshit I think your push is. There were lots of people that "followed thread sentiment" on Kelsier/Shapelog. Kelsier was probably right about you just wanting to jump in with HF from the start of the game.
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Ok. I'll be your bloodhound. I think Rayn is a lost cause as town though.
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On June 26 2019 07:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:28 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2019 07:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I also wish hf would stop prodding rayn. I think he's trying to get him to go off the rails like he sometimes does early on. How can I treat someone I think is mafia seriously if they won't answer my really simple questions? That's literally the game. He would do exactly the same reaction if he was mafia or town, and blow it out of proportion even more so if mafia. I don't think my questions are even inflammatory and he's just taking it that way?? Do you not think my questions are valid? The only way I can make people lynch rayn is by pointing out bad rayn logic and forcing him to answer it so other people realise he actually is mafia. Which he's cleverly avoiding doing. I don't think your question about what bullshit he was trying to stop was unreasonable. You could be on to something with why he was so quick to shut down pressure on Kelsier and doesn't want to talk about him doing that. I don't think you've ever given a conclusion on Shapelog though. You wrote a post saying that Rayn's argument was bad but nothing really about what I said or Shapelog's filter in general. I could very easily be wrong but I think he has a good chance of being scum. I can't be bothered, he's posted almost nothing noteworthy but that doesn't make him any alignment. Unless you posted something amazing about Shape it's just a coin toss to me. I'm not going back on my phone to check so better get quoting :D
lol I quoted it to you earlier.
But no it's not amazing.
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On June 26 2019 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 07:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Grack: Stupid time to claim, don't like his read progression (it seems forced/unnatural). This argument that I'm following thread sentiment is pretty suspicious to me. I've given my own reasons for whatever push I've made and I don't think that's an accurate description of my filter. My reads have been changing fluidly. I don't believe Jock's have so far. They haven't been changing fluidly though, more like suddenly and often... Which ones do you mean? You say that I've been following thread sentiment, but I contributed my own ideas on Shapelog after I saw Rayn talking about him. The other 3 people I mentioned just said they agreed with what Rayn wrote, which was just a convoluted meta-reason of how Rayn expects Shapelog to read a post, which I don't see how anyone who isn't Rayn can agree with without their own reasons. Really the more that I think about it the more bullshit I think your push is. There were lots of people that "followed thread sentiment" on Kelsier/Shapelog. Kelsier was probably right about you just wanting to jump in with HF from the start of the game.
The part where you scumread ES stuck out to me specifically. Something about the timing of it. Its kinda hard to explain but it feels wrong.
What isn't helping right now also is that I'm sure that KSC is scum, slam was definitely scum, and you voted on the only other wagon going.
Rayn also did, but although none of his logic appeals to me but I think he's town.
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When was the timing that I scumread ES and what felt wrong about it?
So far I've heard that I'm following thread sentiment and that I'm also frequently changing reads (suddenly) at weird timings. You'll have to be more specific about why I'm mafia because I don't follow it.
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This really isn't my first run in with you either.
I mentioned that you liked Rayn's Shapelog post and then you tried to contradict me, which doesn't sit well with me because you answered to Rayn that you would lynch Shapelog if it we were at the deadline.
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On June 26 2019 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:
This really isn't my first run in with you either.
I mentioned that you liked Rayn's Shapelog post and then you tried to contradict me, which doesn't sit well with me because you answered to Rayn that you would lynch Shapelog if it we were at the deadline.
I didn't agree with Rayn's shapelog post but I had other reasons for not liking shapelog.
Read the following again from that point of view and see that it makes more sense than whatever you are trying to make up about me liking rayn's post.
I don't think its a slam dunk but its definitely an interesting case. I can see a situation where someone doesn't apply a way of thinking that they are capable of, without having mafia motivations.
That said, I don't really like shapelog's posting in general. Sort of pressured ES a little bit then dropped it, made that post about trfel and then went back on it later while still leaving room to go back to the suspicion if needed.
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I literally told rayn why I thought his post was wrong and you say that's me liking rayn's post.
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The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation.
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On June 26 2019 07:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
I literally told rayn why I thought his post was wrong and you say that's me liking rayn's post.
Yeah you're right it does seem like you understood the point that Rayn was making.
I still wouldn't interpret it as you saying the case was wrong though, you said that it was interesting and then qualified that it's not a slam dunk case because Shapelog could have interpreted the post differently as town too.
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On June 26 2019 07:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
I literally told rayn why I thought his post was wrong and you say that's me liking rayn's post.
Just to clear this up one more time this is the sentence i am talking about:
I can see a situation where someone doesn't apply a way of thinking that they are capable of, without having mafia motivations.
That is saying to rayn that his case on shapelog doesn't make shapelog mafia.
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I can see where the confusion is grack the first sentence of that post was a bit of a stupid thing to write when rayn was clearly wrong. I think I was trying to be nice about it tbh.
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On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation.
My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk.
I first got into that idea here
+ Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince
Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you.
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Tbh though it just reads to me like you came up with the idea that I attacked two people who already been pressured and never bothered to update that read based on things I've done in the thread.
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On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you.
Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational.
I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town.
Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon.
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On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon.
You've been talking about me/Ksc being opposite alignments I believe.
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On June 26 2019 08:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 08:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 26 2019 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:On June 26 2019 08:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
The thing about the timings is basically that you did follow thread sentiment straight away with ksc and then shapelog, which is fine, and if i was mafia i would definitely want to make my own case instead of just sheeping rayn's weird logic, but then i pointed it out and then all of a sudden you're scumreading ES out of nowhere with no prior explanation. My problem with Eversince was that she was very chatty early game and then when she was actually talking about reads there was no explanation for why Pandain was the best lynch 2019, when I felt that Pandain was a pretty unusual person for her to single out with that read especially when she said Pandain's meta was to lurk. I first got into that idea here + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2019 17:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
If shapelog is mafia, it's with kelsier. In the case where Shapelog is not mafia, I see a very plausible team of Pandain/Eversince/Eywa. I think Pandain has been under-contributing from his town meta so far but I have no idea why Eversince is scum reading him in this post. Show nested quote +On June 25 2019 11:02 Eversince wrote:
Ok, Trtfel is ok! Shapelog case by Rayn seemed good to me. Holyflare being disconnected is completely annoying but he is confirmed. Grack is usual. Pandain is best lynch 2019. Jock is ok.
I still think Kels feels off. Better but off. Slam has been totes useless. Ewya still is fishy to me.
So Pandain, Shapelog, Ewya. Thought? She(?) also seems to think that being afk is standard behavior for Pandain, and me (though I really haven't played with her very much and don't think I'm an overly afk player.), so why is Pandain best lynch 2019? Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 17:21 Eversince wrote:On June 24 2019 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 24 2019 17:12 Eversince wrote:
Whats the rest of your reads? I don't have any really. No-one looks particuarly town to me. Maybe trfel. Every read I have seen so far is a shot in the dark so I'm not going to join in on that action because its pointless right now. Eywa's quicklynch post makes very little sense tbh, but not in a way that makes me think scum. I'd like some kind of explanation though because that's just weird. Eywa's quicklynch makes no sense to me.. Grack is usual mia, Pandain is usual mia, Rayn knows me far to well. What about everyone else? We have 1 day left. I will get off and sleep. We need to think about a lynch. Then I noticed this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2019 10:40 Eywa- wrote:
I'm good with quicklynching Pandain or Eversince Beyond that I don't know what I can say to that. You're accusing me of being scum for following thread sentiment and then being scum for coming up with my own read when accused of following thread sentiment, so there's really no way I can avoid being scum read by you. Maybe this is true. I'm an irrational beast. But I'm trying grackaroni, I'm trying damn hard to be rational. I'm happy to drop it and keep scumreading you until something changes my mind. I'm not tunnelled so that could happen especially if you are town. Honestly there's more going on that just the timing of your reads, the voting thing I mentioned does matter at this point, given that I'm scumreading ksc and you voted on the only other wagon. You've been talking about me/Ksc being opposite alignments I believe.
Nvm either that was someone else or I misread.
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It might have been Pandain.
I checked through your filter and it wasn't you.
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