[M][N][72/24]Midnight Sun Mafia

On May 19 2019 17:42 Holyflare wrote:


Which jock are we getting this game? I hope it's the good fun one.p

On May 19 2019 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
I think I'll start this game off on the right foot and vote the most suspicious guy so far. I can only imagine it will go down well.

##vote raynpelikoneet

On May 19 2019 18:09 wherebugsgo wrote:


HF confirmed town

On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.

I was hoping someone else would be around

On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:


So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?

That's really the line you're going with lol?

On May 19 2019 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote:

HF: Rayn did this because he's mafia
Rayn: No I did this because X
HF: AND NOW HES TRYING TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF!!! KILL IT!!!

On May 19 2019 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm still fully expecting rayn to come back here all full of rayn's furious vengeance and let everyone have it.

On May 20 2019 16:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Okay is Koshi scum again

He did the exact same thing last game LOL

On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +

I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.

On May 19 2019 21:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH MAN, I think BUGS might be mafia this game! This should be a REALLY INTERESTING game.

On May 19 2019 21:41 Holyflare wrote:


???

Where in this game have I used META to try and say rayn is mafia? He's quite clearly around, has seen everything in this game that has happened and just makes the odd post every now and again. He's not doing ANYTHING but is actively POSTING which is quite categorically a mafia trait (unless you're holyflare).

The fact you ignore all those other points and focus on the one comment that was clearly in jest (about rayn calling me mafia, which isn't really meta and he does it as either alignment anyway) is boring, my friend.

On May 19 2019 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.

##vote wherebugsgo

On May 19 2019 21:48 Holyflare wrote:


I mean, you can disagree with the points sure but you can definitely see for yourself that he's around because he's posted on pretty much every page recently and even has posts on this page.

On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet

On May 19 2019 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That post is like siper fucking scummy as hell.

On May 19 2019 22:47 Calix wrote:


Is your tactic to insult/ mafia-read everyone who scum-reads you and town-read everyone who town-reads you first?

How boring.

On May 20 2019 17:09 wherebugsgo wrote:


Koshi is basically shitting on me and HF and praising VE & artanis, rayn etc.

I wanna leave him alive purely cause he's hilarious but in srs we should probably just kill him

On May 19 2019 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think today (irl, first 24 hours) would be a lot more productive if everyone operated under the assumption that A) rayn is not lynchable and B) bugs is not lynchable. My reasoning is this: from what I've seen both of them are going to be relatively active during this cycle, and there's a non-zero chance that they're both town. IF they're both town, there's a >50% chance that this thread is completely ruined by the end if this first 24 hours. So in the spirit of getting everyone to look at the game holistically, I'd like it if everyone just IGNORED rayn and bugs today (first 24 hours) and then if we still want to lynch into them then we pull them back into the pool next day.

To that end I'm going to unvote and reread everything.

On May 19 2019 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post from Calix shows absolutely no thinking at all. Literally zero. Especially on two things, bugs wrote some words so it makes him town. And the read on HF is complete trash because there is nothing that makes HF town at this point, even if i was mafia. Thirdly the vote on me is just a nonsense rehash that doesnr evem want to try aknowledging the things i have said regarding the points people have brought against me.

On May 19 2019 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote:

Also for everyone in the ObsQT, this is the first post where you can confidently say that VE is town. Make a note. <3

On May 20 2019 17:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Koshi what do you think of disinformation??
Look at his filter please!

Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right?

On May 20 2019 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote:

That WAS an awful lot of words to end up maybe voting him with me.

:/

On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix

On May 20 2019 17:29 Jockmcplop wrote:


Here's the thing.

I wrote disinformation but meant conversion.
I have no idea why I would get those two mixed up.




Koshi what do you think of conversion??
Look at his filter please!

Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right?

On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.

I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.

Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues.
+ Show Spoiler +

gonna vote for mafia again.
##vote Calix

On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront



this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.


VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.

Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.

On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
After that post.

Early thread leanings

VE - Town
Rayn - Null - possible town

HF - null to scum
Jock - null to scum

Ruxxar - Lean scum
Callix - Scum

On May 20 2019 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to prove it right here. Here are all of mine and his (for him i am starting from where he questions me because nothing before matters -- just look at the first post of his) posts until the last one:













above post is irrelevant to whole discussion


##unvote Calix
##vote Jockmcplop

there is no way the green and red parts are true, he is just agreeing with what basically thread sentiment looks like.

On May 20 2019 18:11 Jockmcplop wrote:


So you're saying that everyone who is playing smart could be town or mafia, and everyone who is playing stupid could be town or mafia.

Welcome to pointless town, where every post is pointless.

On May 20 2019 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am fucking 100% certain this guy is mafia so follow me.

On May 20 2019 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:



Always mafia right there, even for the most retarded people in this game.

On May 20 2019 06:39 disformation wrote:

dunno if I see the point.
rayn comments on some ppl (which dont look scummy to him) and jock asks if anyone looks suspicious to him. I think one would expect rayn to call people scum/mafia (like he is doing now).
though. thinking about it, jock kinda ignores that rayn just gave a bunch of reads and says rayn is only defending himself and berating people. which he isnt cause he just gave reads.

hmmm... don't think I like that.

On May 20 2019 18:13 Jockmcplop wrote:


Its true but pointless as I said, to say it.

Everyone could be town of mafia. Making a bunch of post to point that out seems kinda like you're wasting everyone's time - no matter how true it is.

On May 20 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:



Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not.

On May 20 2019 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jockmcplop is so fucking mafia and anyone who doesnt realise that and is town is so fucking dumb i cant even imagine. There is no way out of it, just make it between him and me i dont care if i am lynched i am 100% certain i am 100% right, just get him killed ffs.

On May 20 2019 06:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
HF is upgraded to a town read.

God have mercy on my soul.

On May 20 2019 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
This is literally the exact shit I was trying to avoid.

I'm catching up but man alive. I specifically warned against this shit.

On May 20 2019 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'll let you guys figure it out when it comes to my play. I'm trying to be transparent about my reasoning. I'm not too happy with koshi ignoring me because my points are too simplistic.

If i was mafia I'd be delighted to be put in the stupid townie bracket but honestly I jsut wnat to lynch scum and play the game cooperatively with you guys. If koshi's ignoring me he is going directly against my objective of lynching scum and is therefore anti-town at best.

Koshi if you think my reads are stupid or whatever help me read people better don't just say you're gonna ignore me cos that's just not cool.

On May 20 2019 07:19 Calix wrote:


Actually you know what?

I am calling bullshit on this.

This seems way too convenient. VE just HAPPENED to warn us against pushing rayn too much, tried diverting to iGrok, claimed rayn would ruin the game if we kept pushing him, etc.

Then rayn just latches onto a bad case against Jock and pushes it with a vastly disproportionate amount of confidence before making a random and completely unwarranted role claim and generally acting like he's lost his shit.

Emphasis on the acting.

I'm more tempted to think VE/ rayn set this up than anything else. There are lots of 'hints' beforehand that make me suspicious as to how authentic they're being.

#shamelesstinfoil

On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
List of shit because I want to.

Town reads
VE
HF (god help me)

Mafia reads
Ruxxar
Calix
Disinformation

Null
Everyone else

On May 20 2019 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Calix

On May 20 2019 18:58 Calix wrote:


Incorrect. I never stated a town-read on VE before that post.

On May 20 2019 07:23 disformation wrote:

imo VE has mostet townie brownies so far, but I like this post. reminds me i need more vivax in my life (where did he goooo?

On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw

On May 20 2019 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you kill a townie that wants to lynch mafia?

On May 20 2019 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will predict Jockmcplop never arrives anymore to this thread.
P.S. i am awake from 7am until 11pm.

On May 20 2019 08:17 wherebugsgo wrote:


Calix I want to hear about the hints you described, can you point them out to me?

On May 20 2019 08:24 Conversion wrote:
I am also coincidentally boarding a flight home. praise 72 hour days, cause I can catch up tomorrow

interesting hot takes from skimming:

wtf rayn claimed? was it a joke

disinfo is flaky as hell from what I read and probably mafia

On May 20 2019 08:26 Conversion wrote:


can u explain this association to me? im gonna dig disfo, but i’d like to hear ur association thoughts

On May 20 2019 19:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Koshi did you see my post? This:

Koshi why is it that you don't care about Conversion? Does this mean you don't read him as either town nor scum?

Sounded like you find him easy to read normally, though.

Also why don't you just vote Calix?

On May 20 2019 08:30 Conversion wrote:


idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really)

someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y”

might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now

On May 20 2019 08:31 Conversion wrote:


help me out and tell me who you’re lunching today bc all i remember from you is shitting on rayn and saying you’re going to ignore him

and im on a phone and lazy

are you still on rayn?

On May 20 2019 08:34 Conversion wrote:


koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list

On May 20 2019 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why do you defend everyone who is actually scummy?

On May 20 2019 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I wish i had an ally in Holyflare or bugs, well not bugs anymore based on last game. I guess not, i am gonna yell alone. I had 100% case you chose to ignore it, see you post game.

On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm gonna pass on that one.

A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So...

B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me.

I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing?

On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant



you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple:



3 things that stand out:

1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement
2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with"
3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification.

When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong.

On May 20 2019 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jock, Calix, disformation.

I dont think ruxxar is mafia. Especially to oeople who havent played with him he always looks scummy purely from how he writes his posts.

On May 20 2019 15:11 wherebugsgo wrote:


Would you kill ruxxar?

If no, why not?

What about disformation and Calix?

Those are the three options I am presenting today, and if you want my rationale you can check my previous posts. We aren’t killing rayn day 1.

On May 20 2019 15:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


In so far as that post stuck out to me, I’m in agreement. My problem is that disformation is objectively not a bad lead.

I want to give the two of them more time to see whether that clears itself up and one or both of them post things that make more sense. The scummiest thing that conversion has done is call someone scum for being flaky, in a flaky way. There was the past game point that you pointed out which also stuck out to me but this is less indicative, IMO.

Btw I’m actually so happy you stepped in my town trap because now I’m more confident in my read on you. I looked at conversion’s post history to see if he had any past games after he troll voted HF, to see if he trolls in general. The last game point is one that I let slip to see if someone else would catch it

On May 20 2019 15:52 ruXxar wrote:
Also bugs you gotta turn down the rhetoric and preaching bullshit. Thats scummy af

On May 20 2019 16:22 Koshi wrote:

Random bad question.

On May 20 2019 16:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
koshi i'm really not getting scum vibes from WBG except for that one early bit where he gave towncred to hf but he kinda backed up on that a bit later iirc.
Is this because you are posting bit by bit as you read the first pages or do you think WBG is sucm?

On May 20 2019 16:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
KOSHI DISLIKES SPAMMING.

On May 20 2019 16:41 Jockmcplop wrote:


So it doesn't get lost. Anyone wanna talk about lynching a lurker?

On May 20 2019 19:39 Holyflare wrote:


I don't know what you're referring to but I never called ruxxar mafia.

On May 20 2019 19:41 Holyflare wrote:
You also conveniently leave out posts I've made that you town read other people for saying.

On May 20 2019 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote:


Not saying he's scum but it caught my attention at least.

On May 20 2019 19:44 Holyflare wrote:


Please elaborate for the class so you don't just get away with doing this over and over again and undermining a not awful townish circle we have going.

On May 20 2019 19:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
What is the certaintude around Calix about? What I remember of Calix didn't seem damning, I haven't filtered tho. And I at least DO remember some posts, like Calix here at least right?

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet

On May 19 2019 22:32 wherebugsgo wrote:


is your goal to make everything more confusing?



Since there's a chance you are town and just not able to see clearly, I want you and everyone else here to know that at least my reason for voting you has very little to do with the VT post. It was a factor in me noticing you but not my reason for voting you. So please, if you're town, you can stop wasting time thinking this is the whole crux of the reason I am calling you scum because it is not leading us anywhere closer to solving the game. I don't want to speak for HF but based on what he's said in-thread I don't think it's why he thinks you're scum either.

Your best bet is to listen to the person you called a noob and actually provide some real reads. Just so we're clear, calling people dumb for calling you scum and calling others smart for not calling you scum is not an indication to me that you have any real reads, regardless of how many words you type to reach those conclusions.

I'm going to bed, if anyone has any questions for me they desperately want answered when I'm back feel free to ask.

On May 20 2019 07:23 disformation wrote:

imo VE has mostet townie brownies so far, but I like this post. reminds me i need more vivax in my life (where did he goooo?

On May 20 2019 20:03 Calix wrote:


I don't agree with your characterisation of Koshi here. He's been posting quite a lot of his thoughts and when reading them, I didn't see them as 'trolling/ shitting up the thread'.

On May 20 2019 20:12 Calix wrote:


I graduated and now have a very demanding job with little energy/ free time. Which is why I have hardly any posts.

I will go and find whatever it is you refer to.

On May 20 2019 19:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Koshi did you see my post? This:

Koshi why is it that you don't care about Conversion? Does this mean you don't read him as either town nor scum?

Sounded like you find him easy to read normally, though.

Also why don't you just vote Calix?

On May 20 2019 07:23 disformation wrote:

imo VE has mostet townie brownies so far, but I like this post. reminds me i need more vivax in my life (where did he goooo?

On May 19 2019 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.

##vote wherebugsgo

On May 20 2019 21:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I haven't even heard it yet. I did get out to the departure hall like 5 seconds before the dude did. Bunch of cheering behind me "DUNCAAN!!!". Felt like a rock star pretending it was all about me, then annoyed by how long it took to get past the screaming fanboys.

On May 20 2019 21:55 Holyflare wrote:


Norway should have won.

On May 20 2019 23:42 disformation wrote:

u have... like a case or something?
most solid mention on wbg in your filter is like:

On May 21 2019 04:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Pretty sure Igrok isnt up for the lynch anymore Koshi

On May 21 2019 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi that Calix read for real? She came at me bro, not many people do that.

On May 21 2019 06:50 Calix wrote:


This is the second untruth you've made against me. It's so blatantly untrue I'm not even going to bother refuting it.

I don't understand why iGrok is being talked about more than Conversion. iGrok is literally a policy lynch. Nothing else. Why not have him as a backup while voting for actual scum-reads? Then if the scum-read acts townie then we have something to fall back on as a D1 option and we don't lose anything regardless of iGrok's alignment.

On May 21 2019 07:00 Calix wrote:


Oh? You 'don't believe' my posts? What a stellar argument that doesn't require any analysis whatsoever.

This post says nothing and shows no thought. I don't think you believe I'm mafia at all.

On May 21 2019 07:16 disformation wrote:
im confused by whats going on tbh.
yall sound super fucking unmotivated.
wish i had more time to sort this shit out, but its getting late already again.

didnt see any conclusion follow up on that btw

On May 21 2019 07:16 Koshi wrote:
1 more thing.

The 3 people on ruxxar. I dont trust any of you. Biggest offender is bc who was active in the thread and called 1 or maybe 2 mafia between Calix and Ruxxar. And voted Ruxxar over Calix. Why bc? Why 1 mafia at least. I still dont get it.

WBG his thread police was also pure shit. Felt dirty as well.

Disfo idk. Just not a townread.


Maybe there is 1/2 mafia there and mafia set up calix/ruxxar tvt wagons.

Maybe.

If you bleed green in the next 24 hours I might vote between those 3. Otherwise I am happy with this.

On May 21 2019 10:58 Conversion wrote:
it also feels soo bad when a player only responds to a case without ever addressing any of the other reasons why I scum read him. that case alone isn't why i scum read disfo-- it's his inaction and general laziness and people are OK with him chilling out, but aren't with others. I've asked him like minimum two times now about what his thoughts were and who he wants to lynch, and he's just ducked it until he could nitpick my case and ignore everything else I posted thus far

im so confused

On May 21 2019 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi does disformation look townie?

On May 21 2019 11:39 wherebugsgo wrote:


I respect that this is a pretty bold move, and you're probably going to get a lot of town reads for this post. This post is about to seed a lot of problems and basically derails whatever momentum your case was getting. Bravo.

I don't get why in a million years you would ever do this as a townie though. Like literally no one is going to lynch HF with you today, and everything you've mentioned here requires some serious twisted logic to ignore a lot of reasonable evidence that HF is town, elements of which YOU YOURSELF POINTED OUT EARLIER IN THE GAME. Not only did you throw away your vote, you basically ensured no one is going to listen to you at all for the rest of the game.

like what happened to Calix vs Conversion? That's just dropped off a cliff now? What happened to this:



and this:



???

it seems like you're "progressing your reads" just because some people complained that you weren't doing that and now you're just flailing

On May 21 2019 14:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
At the same time, and although I said Ruxxar's main read on hf doesn't make sense, I'm going back and looking at hf now and ehhhhh
Normally he has tried to make a case on someone by now.

I take that criticism back ruxxar.

I still think your post is a bit scummy but you have a point on hf.

He hasn't done anything. He's voting for the most afk of afkers which is literally the opposite of what he normally does. He argued with rayn on my behalf alot and that really is the most active he's been in the thread. Since then he has got nothing done except give a bunch of town reads and then say that maybe he was wrong about them.

I'm confused.

Is everyone scum except me?

So far - the people I would townread are:

Artanis (just because I haven't seen anything scummy from him)
WBG (is playing like town WBG - this changed from the first couple of hours but I was reading too much into a simple mistake)


Scum are:

Conversion still hasn't convinced me to change my vote. Being angry about being voted for is NAI. Trying to make me stop talking about the fact that he said he hasn't played when he has. Repeatedly says 'fuck you it was because i was fired.' This is bad. All he needed to say was that he replaced out. Its like he REALLY doesn't want me to talk about it.

ALSO HE TUNNELS DISFO BUT HAS DONE NOTHING ELSE
NOTHING

One single tunnel in a game could easily be fake.

Conversion what are you thinking about others in the thread??? (other than disfo)

You said you have 24 hours to convince us you're town but since then you've done absolutely nothing that would convince anyone you are town.


HF (scumlean) - Ruxxar's case is interesting. You are normally leading the thread or getting involved with trying to get people onto a wagon. You aren't doing what you normally do as town. I think every game I've played with you you've been blue - and in each one you were one of the main presences in the thread - at least trying hard to get stuff done. You seem to be reacting to other people's reads alot more than you are making your own.
Can you explain this for me.


This game is confusing as all hell.
I don't get it.
I don't like Koshi, don't like disfo very much either, BC is suspicious and they can't all be mafia FFS. I'm leaving these guys as null for now with VE - who claims to be obvtown but I don't see it yet.

On May 21 2019 15:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay if you say so then hes probably mafia.

On May 21 2019 15:44 wherebugsgo wrote:


Yeah, true.

Why don’t we kill disfo then? I’m the only one it seems who thinks he might be town and I’m not even sure of that. I’m not going to get ruxxar killed at this point, I’m too lazy to try hard and tunnel further especially when I’ll just exhaust myself arguing about it.

##vote disformation

On May 21 2019 15:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
If mafia were abusing me reading a town ruxxar as mafia why did only BC sheep me?

I might be bad but I literally don’t get that one. Up until what iGrok just posted there was very little indication anyone would vote ruxxar besides BC

On May 21 2019 15:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually I take that back, BC didn’t really even sheep me, he identified ruxxar before I did

I highly doubt BC is scum here and we’re not killing him d1 anyway

On May 21 2019 16:09 wherebugsgo wrote:


fuck off, are you scum with ruxxar?

Like this is just not based on anything at all, they made almost identical posts and then ruxxar voted Calix. Therefore BC is scum because he called them both scummy??

Gtfo this is a garbage take if real

On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:






gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it!


Also, Bugs and VE

On May 21 2019 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi are you around in like 5 hrs?

On May 21 2019 16:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
WBG can you explain what you mean when you say that rayn is using koshi as a proxy to attack disfo?
I don't get how.

On May 21 2019 17:30 Calix wrote:


His opinions change at the drop of a hat. All his conviction is fake.

Dude needs a bullet to the head if you ask me.

On May 21 2019 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
If Koshi is mafia he's with someone active that he doesn't want to disappoint.

I think it's more likely he's probably town though.

On May 21 2019 17:33 Holyflare wrote:


Why is that?

On May 21 2019 17:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m going to pretend rayn, Koshi, and VE all don’t exist in this game until d2 and I implore you all to do the same thing.

Literally none of them have contributed anything useful all game and sadly there is a high chance at least one of them is town. We get the short end of the stick in determining their alignments later.

On VE, if it’s unclear why he’s in my scumpile: VE is eventually going to come back and if he’s reasonable it’ll be obvious fairly quickly. However he’s already gotten so many things uncharacteristically wrong and dodged so many questions that it’s better to leave him alone and see if he does something constructive with the space rather than bait him into arguments where he’ll undoubtably bloat the thread as either alignment

On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.

What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.

He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on?

On May 21 2019 17:37 Calix wrote:


It's on you in spirit, dear.

On May 21 2019 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Mby. He made a shit case he didnt believe on and let other people listen to that and did nothing about it.

On May 21 2019 17:41 Calix wrote:
Also I'm thinking mafia are probably not that interested in the lynch. Neither my train nor ruxxar's nor Conversion's is getting much traction and trust me, it's not because we're all mafia.

It's probably because mafia aren't really active/ pushing anything. Might point to all three of us being town actually.

On May 21 2019 17:44 Holyflare wrote:


But we're not in that world which is the bad thing. He just drops posts and runs away. What was he planning on achieving with it?

In a world where he's mafia he has to see a lot of thread sentiment against him. He realises he needs to make a bold move and makes a case on me.

I feel like as town he'd be a lot more motivated to figure me out and question why I've just disappeared/become demotivated? It just seems like he's thrown in the bit about hf vs rayn as an excuse to pick alignments for both of us. What about rayn vs hf made me look any different? I was just picking up on inconsistencies and it became a minor shit show. Does he use that info to formulate his read on me? Nah.

On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say.

On May 21 2019 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote:


Our active lurker is back to nitpick something!

On May 21 2019 17:47 ruXxar wrote:


What id this logic.

Ruxx: hf is acting scummy
Hf: youre right, but your scummy for calling me scum.

On May 21 2019 17:52 wherebugsgo wrote:


Are you going to help kill ruxxar??

I honestly don’t think iGrok is scum here. Scum basically has to be in:

Ruxxar
VE
rayn
Koshi

Almost everyone else has a few or loads of town points in favour

On May 21 2019 17:54 wherebugsgo wrote:


You don’t know if you are town yourself?

On May 21 2019 17:54 Calix wrote:


"Even if he's not mafia, he's basically 4th mafia so let's kill him."

Not a legit scum read. Rayn can go back in the scum pile too.

On May 21 2019 17:55 Holyflare wrote:


Yes. You have to put yourself into that person's shoes and see why they've done what they've done. Fake case on rayn because thread was incredibly dead +++ everyone activity. Making conclusions on those people that responded to it and evaluating at every step of the way. Updating reads and being unsure when I have less time to read. That's not really mafia.

If you can't determine between lynch bait and scum then you need to interact with them and get their thoughts and then evaluate. That's the step ruxxar is missing. He's jumped to too many conclusions and assumptions and it's a very surface level case.

On May 21 2019 17:58 Calix wrote:


Thought I was totes mafia, no backing out, etc etc.

It's almost like you know I'm town and thus feel compelled to add these little 'bad or mafia' comments.

On May 21 2019 18:11 Calix wrote:


Funny how you respond to all this yet conveniently ignore my post where I raise valid concerns about your own play.

On May 21 2019 18:21 disformation wrote:
joshi: it is super hard to find posts in your filter.

tbh am fairly irritated about this.
e.g.:

i am pretty damn sure i have talked about all of the points you raise here (and did so before your meta thing) and i am confused why you still say i flat out ignore you. you are ignoring my posts.
also no idea how teh fuck i am chilling out, i am trying to play as much as i can ~~