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On May 19 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote: I guarantee Conversion is mafia. Lynch him guys. Pandain Pandai Panda Pand Pan Pa P G Go God Godf Godfa Godfat Godfath Godfathe Godfather lynch Pandain | ||
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interesting hot takes from skimming: wtf rayn claimed? was it a joke disinfo is flaky as hell from what I read and probably mafia | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: for the record i think disformation is mafia too. purely associative but always true if jock is mafia which he is. can u explain this association to me? im gonna dig disfo, but i’d like to hear ur association thoughts | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:39 disformation wrote: dunno if I see the point. rayn comments on some ppl (which dont look scummy to him) and jock asks if anyone looks suspicious to him. I think one would expect rayn to call people scum/mafia (like he is doing now). though. thinking about it, jock kinda ignores that rayn just gave a bunch of reads and says rayn is only defending himself and berating people. which he isnt cause he just gave reads. hmmm... don't think I like that. idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really) someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y” might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote: What is your read on Jock? And what do you think of Conversion coming in and calling you flaky? help me out and tell me who you’re lunching today bc all i remember from you is shitting on rayn and saying you’re going to ignore him and im on a phone and lazy are you still on rayn? | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote: If I had to rate people based on being robotic I'd probably have a list of: Calix iGrok Bugs Then there's just like: Koshi Conversion Disfo(???? maybe not ????) probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:39 Holyflare wrote: You had 2 posts. Don't even think disfo had posted. What's your point? It's poe. I don't want to have to have bugs 2.0 like last game over a poe list again what's so hard to understand lol? what’s a bugs2.0? im asking U because im curious if u had a deeper reason besides lol 0-2 posts. if that’s it then i overestimated ur reasons for the list what’s so hard to understand lol? | ||
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dude literally shared a scum read with me in a post and then still scumreads me stay classy in other news disfo still has done nothing and I’m still hearing a lot of white noise on other people so we should lynch disfo. I’m heading to work now so hopefully I can llay at lunch or something | ||
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On May 20 2019 15:21 Jockmcplop wrote: I can't figure out why you would want to kill ruxxar. Looking through your filter there's a post where you say its because of something he said but didn't quote it. I really, genuinely don't have time to go ook it up in the thread but man I can't see anything that really jumps out at me as scummy. Yet. Disinformation: I don't really like his posting. Its a little scummy to pick on reads that other people are making without making any of your own so he is certainly in the scumlean pile. Calix That first post was horrible. Later on he is posting things that make a little bit of sense. I'm interested in the VE/rayn setup idea, although I'm also open to that literally just being VE knowing that rayn would shit up the thread because he always does this. On May 20 2019 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote: Not saying he's scum but it caught my attention at least. why does he go from a scumlean to you finding a post about him and taking an ironically passive stance on disfo, something you’re calling me out for.. | ||
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On May 20 2019 21:29 Jockmcplop wrote: Isn't appeal to emotion like number 1 in the mafia playbook? Sorry for being an asshole about it, but yeah that's just more evidence. no you’re just being unnecessarily obtuse about saying I played in the last game, you dumbass | ||
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who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything? | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:53 Calix wrote: I shall pose similar questions to you since I don't know your thoughts on many of the players. What other reads do you have that you have SOME confidence in? I don't need thoughts on other players, I have caught scum in disformation and am currently meta diving him. I invite you to join me and lynch scum with fire | ||
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On May 20 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Disfo is still a scumlean but hasn't done anything that screams scum. Its mostly just for a general lack of good posts. One good post at this point would probably change my mind so I'm not inclined to vote for disfo on that basis. Honestly that second bit you quoted isn't something I'm very confident about. I would be a bit foolish to call someone out for being scum because I found thought they were being over friendly like that in one single post. Its too hard to tell the difference between over friendly and friendly on a forum post. If it was a pattern then yeah. I just pointed it out because I'm at work and don't have my notes with me so it makes it easier to write up ontes when i get home if I literally quote every single post that catches my attention. Its very different to your case because you have not done anything AND the one read you did make you made a weird excuse for why it could be wrong. That gives me strong scummy vibes. I wasn't really calling you out for being afk (iirc i said that's not scummy on its own) it was more just support for my case. this, this is the post that makes Jock-disfo not likely. this is just a bad post to me if ur scum together | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:56 Calix wrote: I'm currently voting for you, lol. So I'm not letting you off the hook with "woo, free tunnel on disfo" m8 I don't care about your vote tbh I have 24+ hours to convince people to lynch scum, not play nice with town | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:58 Calix wrote: You can say that but it won't hide the "lack of other substantial reads outside of scum!disfo", friend. But thanks for admitting I'm town  the town was an address to a larger group.. I'd like to think you're a bit smarter than trying to nitpick on semantics, Calix | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I've not really tried to defend disfo as far as i remember. I jsut think you are more likely to be mafia form what i've read so far. Doesn't mean I think disfo is town. I'm going to make one comment to you, and then ignore you for the rest of the day. reasons why are below: 1) you are stumbling trying to make points on different people, and you are misconstruing a lot of people's stances. 2) I have 0 idea why you think me pushing of disformation is more scummy than me when he still has not posted anything on what he thinks the relative state of the game is | ||
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On May 21 2019 00:03 Calix wrote: ITT: Mafia!Conversion repeatedly refuses to give any other substantial reads, prefers to make a forced tunnel on disformation and use horrible pre-flip association 'reads' which say literally nothing since they're pre-flip. ITT: Calix piggybacks off someone's scum read and then does nothing but tunnel in on to Conversion, and instead of working to convince other people that I am scum, is happily shit-flinging the thread and not entertaining other ideas I can make you sound like mafia too | ||
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On May 21 2019 00:02 Jockmcplop wrote: Y'know your the second person in here to say they're gonna ignore me (koshi backed off that quickly tho) but that genuinely makes you look like scum. so tell me why disformation IGNORING ME FOR THE PAST 40 PAGES NOT MAKE HIM SCUM | ||
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roll a d20 and add your deception bonus. if you beat a 9, then you can be whatever you want Roll(1d20)+0: 9,+0 Total  if you want an actual opinion, I think the thread ramped up against you really quickly and also died really quickly. not sure what to make of that, but disfo needs to die today and then I'll look into who defended you/who pushed you and fell flat and moved elsewhere | ||
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two recent games I'm meta diving here: classic (disfo mafia)and vendee (disfo town, replaced in after N1) the thing with disfo here, from what I'm reading, is that he generally sounds the same (to which I think rayn alluded to when he was telling me disfo sounds the same either way) the thing is I'm more inclined to believe disfo is mafia here because it's been almost 48hrs and he hasn't done one productive thing all game let's take a look at Vendee: vendee + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:25 disformation wrote: also a random thought i had: if i remember correctly: the rs wagon was for a long time the only serious one around, so i want to look at ppl who hoped onto that easily/meekily so that they look like they were doing/pushing someone. On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote: flagged for possible teammate interaction. aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot? your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo. i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads? like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile. heavily implied strong tr on koshi though On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote: ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum. hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently. outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not. I'm not going to go on a wall of quotes here, but what I'm seeing is lots of transparent thoughts in solving the game, without PRODDING. that's the big thing here, disfo this game has done nothing but majorly prodding. no real original thoughts tbh, just lots of questions won't share who he wants to lynch, won't comment on wagons, doesn't defend anyone, he tries to slink off into the background stuff like this in the current game On May 20 2019 23:57 disformation wrote: currently looking at ruxxar. doesnt seem like a bad vote target. other option would be to sheep ve and hf onto igrok. want to see bc to explain the stuff surrounding his jock quote, think that will heavily influence my opinion on him. fairly null on you tbh. translates to "ruxxar is meh, I'll vote him maybe, or I'll sheep to igro, but you are null. he just seems very opportunistic and not trying to solve the game he only really comes in when questioned/asked as well, I'm not seeing any proactivity in scum hunting in his posts now let's look at his mafia game classic + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock). but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. On March 21 2018 21:34 disformation wrote: @rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here. i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally. but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one? though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot? so the question would be: @slam: chupazi theory or: which one is it? but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous. On March 21 2018 21:56 disformation wrote: rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy. rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia. not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him. On March 21 2018 22:08 disformation wrote: nah. don't have a problem with rs's filter. have no meta with/on her though. On March 21 2018 22:25 disformation wrote: yeah i think that was my prob with conv as well. he had like 2 reads. just to organize my thought: town(ish) (no order): tocktock vivi ksc rs mocsta way too many nulls/meh/bleh ppl. he does a better job blending in Classic than he is here, actually. tries to at least LOOK like he's putting in some effort, but looking at his game here, it just does exactly what he's doing here, just better he's blending in, throwing out some "reads" here and there, but falls flat in taking a strong stance in really anything I just feel like it's the same sort of weird tonal meta read I had with rsoul in Vendee and the meta diving for me encapsulates disformation very clearly here: demotivated, trying to stay hidden and posting for the sake of posting (lots of prodding, evades conclusive questions, not really sure what real objective he has for D1 still to this hour) I'd just like to reiterate here that I do not think Jock-Disfo can be a team from the way they are playing. 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going to read up on ruxxar as I promised. also think we should still lynch disfo | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix ok starts off pretty much sprinting out of the gate, calling calix scum let’s see where the leads to On May 20 2019 06:54 ruXxar wrote: @rayn did your opinion on calix change or what? asks rayn if his opinion changes, but like 30 posts ago rayn was ranting about how Calix was mafia? not sure what the point of this jab was TBH.. doesn’t look like he follows it up either On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote: You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao kinda omgusy defense towards bugs here On May 20 2019 16:42 ruXxar wrote: So is calix scummy or not? Make up your mind. You say im scummy for reading calix as scum, but now youre calling calix scum also. #galaxybrain bugs makes a pretty big post, ruxxar kind of just shitposts back at him? which is funny because he said we’s not trying to shit up the thread On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote: so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts. tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish. im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus. my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion. speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta. i could be swayed to vote conversion today. this part is hilarious. bugs wanted ruxxar to talk to him (bugs) about me (conversion), but ruxxar just shits on him, comes back like 5 hours later or whatever and suddenly I’m a scum lean. wtf? On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote: When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. if I read this out of context it looks like a townie trying. I think I’m starting to see a little bit of people’s issues with ruxxar— it almost feels like he has a disconnect with his ideas and his actions. he doesn’t seem to engage with the thread in any way, throws out a bunch of reads, and without that engagement I can see why he looks scummy. hmm give me a good night’s rest to sleep and recharge and I’ll reread my thing and some other cases on him (if you could be so kind to point it out some cases, I don’t have to waste extra time digging through the thread) | ||
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dude is just apologetic and in the background. can someone explain to me why ruxxar is more mafia mafia when disfo is doing just as much hiding? is it cause he's more active? | ||
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what are town goals today? @Jock you are horribly misconstruing my filter YET AGAIN. I’m inclined to believe that you’re bordering on scum trying to save ruxxar or disformation. you gave me shit for tunneling, and when I try and lsiten to others to have thoughts you call that out as well. do you want to 1:1 coach me so you can townread me? like wtf. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote: It makes sense to me though. You also noticed you were tunelling disfo, and then went to the next easiest target with a half arsed post that agreed with the overwhelming thread sentiment at that time. Tell me you didn't do that?! You still have time to be townish. Just be townish. My vote isn't dead set. easiest post? WBG asked me to untunnel, so I read a filter and put my opinions on it. you on the other hand, what have you done? | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:11 Conversion wrote: koshi not calling me scum or bad is statiscally proven that he is scum btw. dude will never let go of his ego to try and lynch me as scum when he’s town. I’m 99% sure on this, will have data to back it up once I’m showering and going into work nvm he pushed me pretty hard as scum when I was town and he was scum in chill hop so this no longer holds any water | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs. The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points. Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently. Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them. Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia. also heading into work now brb | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey everyone, Keep a note at this reply please. Its not fully damning but it not looking good. Hey Disinformation. Your turn. Name your top 3 scum reads and why how is that not good? are you serious. my entire filter is calling disfo scum, and the MAJORITY of people in the game are telling me (some which I believe to be town atm) that I’m wrong and to look elsewhere. you have Jock on your list crying about how I’m scum and being flimsy as fuck and not really looking into anything else yet you don’t question him/find him suspicious? this game man.. | ||
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the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok? | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote: @BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok? the reason why koshi > rayn is that rayn and I shared reads. i just dont agree with jock-disfo, and idk where he went tbh | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:05 Calix wrote: I'm trying to lynch rayn, someone who is IN YOUR POE. You even agree that one of rayn/ Koshi is mafia! see this is why i dont wanna post without reading bc ppl just get mad at things when i literally said i have incomplete info thank u for bringing that up. i’ll reread and reevaluate. are you still lynching hf? | ||
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before I summarize his filter, Koshi pretty much plays the way he wants. which means, he is always right, other people are wrong. people who agree with him and sound smart are town and smart, other people are stupid and most likely scum now I've been pretty much slam dunked by a mafia!Koshi before, who basically just sat back, pushed random shit, and called himself a town god (and I naively believed him back then, because who can reject such a Godly Belgian presence?) (that was a joke) let's look at this filter for a hot moment, ignoring the fact that he STILL hasn't called me scum like he does in basically every game we're in together (which I'll loop back to, I have some meta going on with this) + Show Spoiler + and so on and so forth. dude is playing pretty casually like he always does, but he's not making waves (whether he's right or wrong). he's hiding under the guise of being confused, and then just shitting on people. normally what he does is tells people they are dumb, and to stick to a read. now mafia!Koshi on the other hand is trying to get his hand in the pie. he realizes he cannot just sit back and AFK like he normally does and let town devolve into chaos, he HAS to make a stake in that: 1) he's telling people they're dumb 2) make it known that he is "contributing" but his contributing posts actually don't say anything, really. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 06:45 Koshi wrote: I still dont understand why this thread jumped over Calix to Ruxxar. It's ok. I dont need to understand. On May 21 2019 06:47 Koshi wrote: I am not going to bother reading other people and call alignments. After Calix flips I will think again. Not before. Too much bullshit anyway. On May 21 2019 07:16 Koshi wrote: 1 more thing. The 3 people on ruxxar. I dont trust any of you. Biggest offender is bc who was active in the thread and called 1 or maybe 2 mafia between Calix and Ruxxar. And voted Ruxxar over Calix. Why bc? Why 1 mafia at least. I still dont get it. WBG his thread police was also pure shit. Felt dirty as well. Disfo idk. Just not a townread. Maybe there is 1/2 mafia there and mafia set up calix/ruxxar tvt wagons. Maybe. If you bleed green in the next 24 hours I might vote between those 3. Otherwise I am happy with this. he has a bunch of these posts that can give an insight to what he does, but he just decides he's going to fuck off and not give anything. why? just look at his filters from mafia mafia mafia mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Koshi&view=all + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2017 01:41 Koshi wrote: Opened hapa and palmar tgeir filter. Then decided to open hf filter against better judgement. Now I am very sad. I have it on good authority that there are 3 mafia. So it is ok to ml a couple times. This is all the help I will give town today. Maybe I will be mpre generous in future days. On November 20 2017 05:56 Koshi wrote: I am going to ctrl + f my name and answer to everytging asked to me. I am willing to point out 1 mafia and 1 town each day. That-'s all. If I come online and multiple people ask me a question I will answer to the person I like the most first. If I run out of time because everybody ask me questions because I am brilliant it is bad luck for the people I dont like. I am not reading the thread. No point. I might skim it when I find the time. Very maybe. On November 21 2017 01:41 Koshi wrote: Opened hapa and palmar tgeir filter. Then decided to open hf filter against better judgement. Now I am very sad. I have it on good authority that there are 3 mafia. So it is ok to ml a couple times. This is all the help I will give town today. Maybe I will be mpre generous in future days. On November 27 2017 01:13 Koshi wrote: Well. Looking at chez and stan filters I prefer lynching Chez. He is apologistic in some posts and pronises activity which he doesnt follow up with. Isnt like normal Chez. incredibly lazy. of course, he can't be as blatant about it here, so he's just making more posts, padding his filter, but all the while not contributing much im not gonna bother spoiler blocking quotes, same thing in chill hop: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?user=Koshi&view=all now here's the REAL SLAM DUNK Koshi always reads me as mafia when he is town at one point. like 100%. Simple Game of Mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia#17 + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2017 05:12 Koshi wrote: 1) Forumite - Forgot his posts. Saw some things. Need to filter. 2) Grackaroni - Is refusing to let us read him. 3) DarthFoley - Town because his posts read genuine. 4) Holyflare - Meh 5) Conversion - Mafia lean 6) Oatsmaster - Probably town I think. Mainly due to Conversion and VE talking about him. 7) VisceraEyes - Mafia lean 8) Chezinu - Not a prior atm. If you are a vig feel free. 10) prphlz - Town 11) Eversince - afk 12) Ayra321 - Town 13) Kmatt - Townish 14) Palmar - Is fine. Vendee: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?user=Conversion + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 08:26 Koshi wrote: We will see. My lynchpool really is Conversion/Damdred/rayn. I am just talking about you because disformation brought you up. MS-Paint off when he's a judge: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/Jx7PEXy69Sqg + Show Spoiler + But I am still 4 pages behind. Conversion is popping up but I think he is too combatant about the limited pressure from hf. So he is my pick over fefe. I think rayn, conversion and hopeless have 2 mafia. Not 3 most likely. and finally, Classic mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia#4 + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2018 08:43 Koshi wrote: You realize you are suggesting 2 names I also want to kill right. From before eon. Dont focus on the flashy players and go for people who are hiding. Dont paranoia yourself thinking some master mind mafia is being super active. yet Koshi this time is for some reason lukewarm and calling me town! even. wtf? + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 15:47 Koshi wrote: I believe Conversion is town. I believe Ruxxar is either good at playing mafia or town. My only remark is that he picks his moments to posts and not much more. Still think Calix is mafia. Think either bc or disfo is mafia with her because it fits patterns. Something there. On May 21 2019 15:38 Koshi wrote: Conversion is not mafia. You dont trust me obvioisly. But he is not mafia. Being tunneled is not mafia. He just believes disfo is mafia. Truly believes it. his read progression on disformation is super weird too. you have a townie yelling about disfo mafia, you have some townies ready to sway onto disfo, you BELIEVE THAT DISFO IS MAFIA but you end up on Calix? why? + Show Spoiler + starts off townish read On May 20 2019 19:04 Koshi wrote: Ohh disfo. You still didnt change. 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On May 21 2019 22:57 iGrok wrote: Guys, you've generated 20 more pages in 6 hours. Haven't read any of it, but holy shit. Please cut back on the spam, or I'm not going to be able to keep up. The whole point of this game was for it to be a slower pace. this is such a bad post dude lol just pick someone u think is scummy and read that person. who cares about the page number | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Just so you guys are in no doubt: I'm trying to play, to learn and to improve all at the same time. I find this difficult and yeah, I'm asking a shit ton of questions. There aren't any newbie games here and I'm completely clueless jsut going off what the guides and mafaiscum wiki say about it. So yeah, I ask alot of questions. I'm literally asking for help and getting shit all (Except WBG who is quite happy to help) and then being lynched for doing shit wrong. This isn't something I'd post if i was trying not to be lynched because I'm knowingly invoking my own lack of skill and expereience. I'm gonna go concentrate on chess instead. Good luck to you all. Even if I'm not lynched I can't be bothered with this shit. I'm too anxious a person. Its bad for my mental health. hey. two really close people to have pretty severe anxiety, and I personally know how bad some of their attacks get. no hard feelings, no need to feel bad. take care of yourself first, and I hope things get easier for you in the future. your health is incredibly important! also PM me so you can kick my ass in chess, sometime. I'm pretty bad and would love a buddy to teach me/learn with :D | ||
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disfo I think the flip matters less... I'll revisit harder next day though, no time to tunnel now going into ruxxar: I really hate his overall play of just randomly swinging in and out, but can someone explain why these two posts are bad? On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote: When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote: Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true. It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it. I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point. Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer. I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players. The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf) Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point. Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me). Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion. I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out. HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation. Tldr: Bugs is dumbo town. Rayn is town. HF is mafia. ##vote holyflare is it because it feels like it's mafia flailing last minute? | ||
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On May 22 2019 10:25 iGrok wrote: @Calix if you can find a flaw in this please let me know. aren't these points sort of WIFOM-y because mafia cna totally do this if they feel like they're safe enough to do some to try and gain some town cred? or is that too stupid pants-on-head for mafia to do (and thus your reasoning) | ||
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you're basically saying this: [NOT (Calix AND Ruxxar)] AND [NOT (Ruxxar AND Holyflare)] AND [NOT (Calix AND Holyflare)] which actually means when Calix, Ruxxar and TOWN (aka True), and Holyflare is MAFIA (aka False), your logic table evaluates to [NOT (True AND True)] AND [NOT (True AND False)] AND [NOT (True AND False)] [NOT True] AND [NOT False] AND [NOT False] False AND True AND True == False? | ||
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On May 22 2019 10:39 Conversion wrote: the only times that logic table works out is if two or all three are mafia within it, so I think your logic is a little off er, specifically the pairings are, if not all 3 mafia: ruxxar/holyflare calix/holyflare calix/ruxxar maybe I'm being too literal with this | ||
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c OR h == town, so one of c OR h has to be town or both has to be town h OR r == town, so one of c OR h has to be town or both has to be town r != h, so in the case of H or R, one must be town, one must be mafia c AND h AND r == mafia, so this means all 3 must be mafia, otherwise this statement doesn't work? ok I'm spending too much time on this. I'm missing something, though. going to spend my last 30ish minutes meta diving ruxxar. bugs is one of my top town reads atm so I'll listen to him | ||
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I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town. his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games) but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise. in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia. and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out | ||
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On May 23 2019 18:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not a programmer and so don't know the mind of a programmer. Maybe it's easier for them to make jokes like that than other kinds. Maybe they're programming jokes because they're uncomfortable and that's where their nerd brains go to comfort themselves. Koshi I don't know, but I am also putting him in a more townie category than iGrok, so....not sure where this is going. damn son don’t call me a NeRd I was already coming off like 3 hours studying for my interview which is why I got distracted by it | ||
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On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed town: Jockmcplop Town: Holyflare Conversion Koshi Townish: Raynpelikoneet Null: iGrok wherebugsgo Scummish: Calix VisceraEyes Lynch with fire: The Cobbler AMA. can U explain ur town read on me at this point in time? u made one post on me so im curious | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:34 Calix wrote: Lo and behold! I predicted people would call me town/ back off when I got back into the thread. And now Koshi and VE have done exactly that! Meanwhile BC comes out with a 'read' on me which is so vague it might as well not exist. What posts does he refer to? What is the thought process? I see none, only vague wankery. In fact, BC's #2499 doesn't say anything! + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1. Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right. TBH Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch. Myself Calix Igrok Artanis Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group. If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least. I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red. Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? Let's go through this. He points out the obvious lynch candidates then adds a pointless paragraph about how we need to sort him out as well. This doesn't need to exist, it's basically theory that anyone can spout. Still has Artanis read which hasn't changed, k. Vague AF read on moi. Wants to filter iGrok and takes two sentences to say 'I have no actual read on this dude'. This really did not need to be a wall post. I do not think mafia!Calix draws attention to herself like this if people are moving off her? I can dive I guess. what’s the case against Calix? | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote: I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote: I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm like 99.99% sure I do not ever engage you directly unless you engage me first, unless I'm doing some D1 lynch holyflare that never gets traction. I'll attempt to eat a shoe and probably fail if I'm wrong, but a quick filter into past games confirm that | ||
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On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote: I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all. Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? I'm inclined to back off my tunnel on disformation.. I think I'm reading him wrong (I believe multiple people told me I was wrong on his meta read, so there's that). I do like some of his later posts, he has picked up a bit. still a little bit wary, but I don't think my scumdar is particularly strong (I think I have like a 2/15 or some smaller percentages of actually reading scum as scum, so yeah..) Koshi, idk. He seems to be pushing his agenda and list pretty hard, and I would think mafia!Koshi would just recede into the background again, but he's beem spammy as hell and shouting for his list lynch. out of these two. I think I would do best to leave these two alone, and actually start focusing on playing the same game as at least a bigger subset of people in this game, as I've been playing solo pretty much and that went nowhere. On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. | ||
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On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. @rayn, Calix said it best (I am not good with words, lol why am I playing mafia?). I thought Koshi's early game was mafia!Koshi shitting up the thread and "pushing" for his lynches, but him continuing to do shitting up the thread makes me believe it's just town!Koshi believing himself to be a god, when he's just human like the rest of us yelling for his lynches. no need to reread it, I'll revisit some notes on him if it gets down to it, as I don't think he is the focus for today regardless. I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town. I'll admit I don't remember anything about Artanis besides him yelling for BC lynch at one point, and calling me town. I don't remember much about BC except him screaming that he'll go 1:1 with Artanis given the lynch. and I actually don't remember who VE wanted to lynch, but he was yellign about someone. but also just jumping everywhere and anywhere, and trying to thread police people off you early on in the game. hence why I need a reread, because these remembrances might be totally wrong, and it's a 130+ page game and I need to reread things instead of fucking off when people don't engage me | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:00 Conversion wrote: damn son don’t call me a NeRd I was already coming off like 3 hours studying for my interview which is why I got distracted by it but I was coming off a certain mindset. you and I can agree that it was dumb, let's move on. if you think my EoD was bad and makes me mafia, sure (I believe you were the one that called me scummy for doing what I did EoD). I don't think my EoD was particularly AI, but that's your opinion. We have enough time, engage with me and play with me and if I haven't gone over that hurdle to change your mind, feel free to lynch me. help me out here though, rayn. where's your head? who's your lynch target, and do you not agree that a mafia lives within BC/VE/Artanis/Calix? that statement is just a feeling statement from me, and I'm planning to focus my efforts in to BC/VE/Artanis since I haven't read them as much as I should have this game. | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I got it from this post: Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. what is subtle about that, though? I am telling the thread that I feel as if there's a mafia in there (literally 0 reason, as you can see), and that I will focus my efforts in there. I still don't see the subtlety of calling VE mafia, if that's what you're getting at? | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because this game is about giving reads on other people and the only thing you say is that you think there is mafia but Calix can be town and then both of you seems to just be happy with that answer......... because I have no reads. I have not read them, which I admitted to. I haven't read basically most of this game besides Koshi and Disfo on day 1. I can give you reads now if you want, but they'll be off me remembering things than actually doing research, which I don't want to do. I want to find logical inconsistencies, and I want to have proof that I caught scum. if my feeling wavers after actually reading their filters, then I'll look into someone else. I don't have time to have read everyone's filters especially when most are 10+ pages, with a lot of spam. I was busy for the past few days. No one is living happily ever after-- if I still don't give reads by the end of this 72hour day cycle, then that is enough to lynch me as dodging scum. | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: fine, do what you do. but then dont tell other people you're mad at noone listening to you because you made basically one case yesterday you have now backed off and you seem to have no scumreads. I'm not mad. I gave a reason why I was disconnected, and was telling people now that I'll be opening up and giving opinions on other parts of the game. You need to calm down and stop thinking everyone is angry. You've seen me be a toxic little shit to you, and I know you remember it. I'm nowhere near that right now, so don't tell me what emotions I'm feeling. You don't have that right to do that for anyone. Now I'll play my game, and you play yours. If you think I'm mafia at the end of it, then lynch me. Simple as that. | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote: My only issue is that like...you say you've been playing your own game and that you're frustrated about being in your own little world here. That sort of implies that rather than be in here posting up a bunch of shit trying to GET people to interact with you, you've been reading and forming your own thoughts (which people are not interested in or whatever). So when asked, rather than say what you've been thinking about the players in question, you just say you HAVE no read, which being left to your own devices after 96 hours of the game being on seems.....unbelievable. I have no read on the three of you. Artanis I remember yellign for BC lynch. I remember BC saying he'll 1:1 trade. I remember you thread policing people off rayn early on, and then just jumping read from read from read. that's all. I have town reads. I have bugs as town, calix as town, jock as probably town. There's a reason why I think there's mafia in the three of you-- either I'm completely fucking wrong about my town reads, or there has to be someone in there. I choose to believe in the latter. If your arguments are literally "you have no reads, you must be mafia" then okay, lynch me. I don't care-- I think I played a decent game with the limited time I have, and I'm on a 5 day vacation. I don't have to play this game | ||
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fuck YOU VE for even insinuating that I'm being shitty with that post. want me to list your hot 20 page garbage filter on what a piece of shit mafia player you are? On May 22 2019 22:37 VisceraEyes wrote: You don't fucking care about the answers, you're just asking me questions to try and AHA at me some more, and I'm fucking DONE with you Bugs. If you persist I will disappear from the thread, skirt posting requirements and vote. Exclusively. I'm seriously so sick and tired of you right now I could fucking throw up. I'm seriously pissed off. You don't give a SHIT what I say, you're literally only trying to find more shit to confirm your bias. You're fucking wrong Bugs. Get over it. This is absolutely the LAST post I direct at you. On May 22 2019 22:32 VisceraEyes wrote: WHY THE FUCK AM I TRYING TO PRESERRVE THE CIVILITY IN THIS GAME IF NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO?!? WHY THE FUCK DOES BUGS GET TO DO THIS TO ME BUT I HAVE TO STOP HIM FROM DOING IT TO EVERYONE ELSE?!?!? FUCKING HEL  ME YOU AASSHOELSOn May 22 2019 22:28 VisceraEyes wrote: THIS IS WHY I WAS FUCKING IGNORING YOU BUGS AN JGALINAERNVBAEWRANOIHABNWOVBORAQBWONBIAEWR On May 22 2019 22:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Does someone hear something? All I hear are crickets. REALLY LOUD ANNOYING crickets. On May 22 2019 22:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Jesus now it's a buzzing, does anyone else hear the buzzing?! go fuck yourself | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:39 VisceraEyes wrote: We're all friends here, you are the only one who doesn't seem to think so. When I say people are insulting me I could care less if they are calling me a cunt or saying I suck fucking dick or anything. When I say that it's because they're accusing me of not reading the thread or something simliar to that and I take offense to that because I've spent A LOT of time reading the thread. Yes, I have a potty mouth. Fucking cry about it bitch. We're ALL adults here for the most part, and this is a heated game. But unlike you, everyone else understands that it's fine, that we're all playing a game and we like each other (Bugs and Koshi notwithstanding) Now, I'm perfectly willing to stop cursing WHILE I'M TALKING TO YOU because clearly you have some sort of problem with it. But I'm not going to not curse because I'm afraid people will think I'm toxic because that's nonsense. how about don't take the moral high ground on something you weren't invited to in the first place when two people are clearly agreeing to fuck off and play their own games? we're all adults here yet you're inclined to play moral thread police ok whatever | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: i have been zero toxic this game, thank you. \hahhaaaaaaaaaahahaha ? On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix people are retarded, not toxic btw | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I was trying to get YOUR back with rayn. This WHOLE THING started with me trying to tell rayn to back off you. So like, yes, I HAVE the moral high-ground here. But I'm conceding it to you because you misunderstood or something. okay then that was my misunderstanding. I am sorry for lashing out to you and I should have calmed down before making any posts of the sort that would have attacked you. now I will be a good mafia boy and play the game like I said I would | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. the only ironic thing about this statement is that BC was shitting on calix for following thread sentiment, but like.. didn't acknowledge rayn OR ruxxar being town for calling Calix out in the same way, before him in fact, let's look at BC's post right afterwards on rayn/ruxxar, which should have started rather strong town at this point On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: After that post. Early thread leanings VE - Town Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum Ruxxar - Lean scum Callix - Scum uh.. what? How is ruxxar and Calix scum together? and why is rayn only a null, possible town? #256 ruxxar scumreads calix, rayn has #224 onwards calling Calix out. both of them called similarly to BC, but he doesn't acknowledge them? kind of a weird post, doesn't make him scummy though imo I guess the ruxxar thing makes more sense since it might seem more of a shake suspicion onto Calix maybe to distance, but still. On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to. Town reads VE HF (god help me) Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation Null Everyone else only thing weird here is rayn being a null, but unexplained reads != mafia. he actually explains why Rayn is null, woops seems to try really hard to his Calix read, tries to revert the thread back to it: On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it! Also, Bugs and VE ruxxar/calix/disfo his core 3, still. adds me in as well at #509 I do like the fact that he considers bugs town at #959, mostly cause I consider bugs town as well On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck. Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar. I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours? Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten? This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus. and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. now this, this is a weird post. can someone tell me if this is NAI? why would someone distance off their top2 scum reads to try and redivert the thread elsewhere? It's not quite like BC had a lot of his reads evolve, methinks either. On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\ Basically mine is as followed Town BC WBG HF (again god help me) VE Null Koshi Conversion Jock Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now) Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red) Igrok Mafia Ruxxar Disinformation Artanis gives a list here, artanis swapped with Calix. his reasoning is that Ruxxar > Calix mafia, but Calix was the one he called out first? I think this was around the time Ruxxar was floating around, though. so maybe it was that. I like his #1235 and #1240 in calling me out. I guess I just like people calling me out in mafia, weirdly enough. also called disfo out as well. On May 21 2019 20:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Im upgrading Calix atm to a town read based on the last few pages. Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol same dude, same. 20 page filter FML  idk BC's meta, never played with him. but nothing in the above dive seems particularly scummy to me. I'm actually leaning town, he's actively trying to solve the game, asking people their thoughts, questioning and following up, being transparent (ish) with his changes in tiers of town/mafia now the real flip that I'm confused with is he suddenly starts going gungho, super saiyan suicide going to trade with Artanis when he gets cased by him, one of his scum reads: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well. At least someone I think is mafia finally hard stanced me. However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up. Lets look at your first point. My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing. Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there. Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me) I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with. Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude. So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy. now, before this BC seemed rather controlled (some outbursts of frustration here and there, but nothing big), but damn this is a big OMGUS F U to Artanis the thing is I don't quite think that the case got as much traction to warrant this response, so it seems incredibly out of place. I also find it weird that he didn't comment on Calix's casual post on how she can get behind Artanis' case-- just seems incredibly tunneled onto his scum read calling him scum. is that something BC does as either alignment?? my gut says town, especially since I tunnel rather hard on the OMGUS (note to self: try meta diving) + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death. As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so. No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm. Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet. Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting. As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am. That leaves everyone else. There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure. the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now. I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside. On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him. Now. 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On February 08 2018 11:34 Conversion wrote: Why you shouldn't believe Koshi on why I am mafia: Most likely the most arrogant and tunneled town player I have ever played with. He is obviously a very good player, so he owns it very well. The problem with Koshi is when he's wrong, he will never admit he's wrong. Which is good for town when he has his read right (MS Paint game when he was judge, Mocsta mafia last game, whatever other games this guy has because I can't be fucking bothered to meta filter dive anymore). However, he is bullheaded on a worse level than drunk angry rayn, even when he is so clearly wrong. Now this long preface was written because I am still incredibly salty that someone who claims he is literal Jesus in this game called Mafia can't get over the fact that I AM NOT MAFIA when he reads me as such. Like last game. He spent every moment he could spare on top of solving the game calling me mafia, including me in a list, and then suddenly turning on me and having me flip town. + Show Spoiler [Long quote chain on why Koshi reading…] + On December 13 2017 04:28 Koshi wrote: Bad posts It was a mafia bait post from Arya. Easy to critisize without risking looking bad. On December 13 2017 04:33 Koshi wrote: Many things are happening in the thread. Conversion is focusing on 1 thing and I don't like that thing. On December 13 2017 05:07 Koshi wrote: I don't like you at all. On December 13 2017 05:12 Koshi wrote: 1) Forumite - Forgot his posts. Saw some things. Need to filter. 2) Grackaroni - Is refusing to let us read him. 3) DarthFoley - Town because his posts read genuine. 4) Holyflare - Meh 5) Conversion - Mafia lean 6) Oatsmaster - Probably town I think. Mainly due to Conversion and VE talking about him. 7) VisceraEyes - Mafia lean 8) Chezinu - Not a prior atm. If you are a vig feel free. 10) prphlz - Town 11) Eversince - afk 12) Ayra321 - Town 13) Kmatt - Townish 14) Palmar - Is fine. On December 13 2017 05:17 Koshi wrote: So we are here: Town: DarthFoley Oatsmaster prphlz Ayra321 Kmatt Palmar Don't lynch them today: Forumite Holyflare Shoot them but don't lynch them D1: Chezinu Grack Lynch: VE Conversion On December 13 2017 05:22 Koshi wrote: ##Vote Conversion I am voting Conversion over VE because VE is drawing more attention to himself with his "odd" play. I am not yet sure if the "odd" play from VE is him being really bad at blending in as mafia pushing ideas or that he is just playing worse than his previous game. Conversion is making posts but didn't even once draw attention to him or made a post that would cause a wave making it easier for him to solve the game. If he is town, he disappointed me the most so far. So I am going to assume he is mafia struggling to show some genuine thoughts combined with thread progression. On December 13 2017 05:25 Koshi wrote: Palmar I need you to type me a big post talking about Conversion. If you do so this game will become easier for us to solve. After that feel free to do one liners and random stuff. But I need to read something smart from you on Conversion. But more importantly, I need to read a lot of words from you talking about Conversion. On December 13 2017 05:28 Koshi wrote: If Conversion is mafia. If VE is town and if forumite is town this is a bad post. Because Conversion is being protected here with no basis except by add 2 more townreads. Conversion early game was not town. The other 2 I can see. forumite is mafia lynch bait of choice if town. And VE is being odd and out there. No doubt and an easy catch. That being said. I still potentially like you Palmar. Your latest posts were just really underwhelming. You need to give the thread some candy. On December 13 2017 05:31 Koshi wrote: Conversion is our best bet atm. On December 13 2017 06:52 Koshi wrote: This also looks bad for Palmar. I really need to know why Conversion is town. Looks like mafia!Palmar adopted a read from the thread because it is his scumbuddy. But then again. I am quite convinced conversion is mafia. If he isn't. I am being very wrong. On December 13 2017 07:05 Koshi wrote: I think this is my new list. Town is on top. It isn't perfectly in order but close enough. Especially second to sixth place is pretty random. DarthFoley Oatsmaster prphlz VE Ayra321 Kmatt Grack Forumite Holyflare Eversince Chezinu Palmar Conversion On December 13 2017 09:16 Koshi wrote: I am just going to sit here and hope somebody enters this game with a fresh view. Who is able to peak my interest. Atm too many lost townies. I hope they follow my lead and lynch conversion. But second on list Palmar isnt that bad either. I have such high hopes for him. But he didnt deliver once more On December 13 2017 09:20 Koshi wrote: PS2: I found conversion first. No diggity, no doubt On December 13 2017 09:27 Koshi wrote: woe hf is so sure conversion is mafia he is trying to steal the kred On December 13 2017 19:01 Koshi wrote: The problem with veteran players is that they can play good as either alignment. I think Conversion is still the best bet for town. Both palmar and hf didnt do anything to change that. Now, you don't have to look through that spoiler tag. Because it is the same garbage Koshi is spouting this game. That I am mafia, because it fits his agenda and his ideal view of the game. But that is garbage solely because of this post right here from Simple Mafia: So this literal mafia Jesus cannot get over his fact that he will never be able to cleanly town read me, because I never cleanly play as town. In his mafia Jesus head. So I must be mafia. Doesn't matter if literally two games ago he was 9100% sure that I was mafia and I flipped town. Doesn't matter if towards that game he townread me for trying, then randomly flipped on me because I was playing terribly in his mafia Jesus eyes. And what does he do here? Exactly what he did at the tail end of Simple Mafia. Calls me town because of one thing, finds one garbage, irrelevant detail, calls me Mafia, and will push me until I die. You're garbage at reading me Koshi. That's all. Man that was fun! GARBAGE AT READING ME. I will be having the biggest shit eating grin on my face and I will fucking roast you post game if I get lynched because this will be 0/2 times you read me as mafia when I am town. wait maybe not. why isn't he calling me scum this game | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Makes an incorrect statement. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Between Artanis and BC I dont know who is more mafia. Artanis became really underwhelming, while BC made the worst post and vote in the game. On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote: My mafia team is still Calix BC Artanis BUT I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix. On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote: And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure. On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever. I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time. As such ##vote artanis also in no situation do I ever see scum!BC blowing up like that and saying he'll trade 1:1 for scum!Artanis, and scum!Artanis backing off like that | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote: What are you selling? I'm interested in buying. Koshi's vote is completely garbage and he should feel bad, 5 pounds. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 19 2019 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I think today (irl, first 24 hours) would be a lot more productive if everyone operated under the assumption that A) rayn is not lynchable and B) bugs is not lynchable. My reasoning is this: from what I've seen both of them are going to be relatively active during this cycle, and there's a non-zero chance that they're both town. IF they're both town, there's a >50% chance that this thread is completely ruined by the end if this first 24 hours. So in the spirit of getting everyone to look at the game holistically, I'd like it if everyone just IGNORED rayn and bugs today (first 24 hours) and then if we still want to lynch into them then we pull them back into the pool next day. To that end I'm going to unvote and reread everything. I don't see a world where scum!VE does this, unless either bugs or rayn is mafia. I have no reason to believe either are mafia, atm, so this is a towny post I'm 25% of the way through VE's filter, and if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. my god you are like everywhere and anywhere at once. your brain must be moving faster than a mach 5 jet moves through the sound barrier + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 19:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Lemme go read the case on Calix, surely it's been posted right? Like I missed it before but I don't really believe that Bugs and BC both voting without reasoning. On May 20 2019 19:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya this is the first I've heard of a town circle and I'm not included in that shit wtf is this? lol On May 20 2019 19:48 VisceraEyes wrote: What is the certaintude around Calix about? What I remember of Calix didn't seem damning, I haven't filtered tho. And I at least DO remember some posts, like Calix here at least right? On May 20 2019 19:52 VisceraEyes wrote: But you've both stated willingness to lynch Calix? Am I misremembering that too? Let me read calix -> WHY AM I NOT IN A TOWN CIRCLE -> why is Calix being lynched?? -> didn't the both of you say you'd lynch Calix? and another one + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I joked ONE TIME about killing You/Bugs for not calling me 'STRONG TOWN', is that what you're referencing? On May 21 2019 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Or are you just talking out of your fucking ASS HF? On May 21 2019 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: WHERE THE FUCK IS RAYN!? hahaha this is the funniest filter I've read in ages it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly FFS VE not only do you have a giant fucking filter, you have a GIANT LIST OF GAMES TOO. meta diving the recent ones. and you sound exactly the same. in all of them. even the one you were mafia in, except you're less spastic in that one. also apparently we played together hahaha Maybe VE is town. he gives me good vibes. stop jumping around so much it gives me a head ache. would like both Artanis and BC to come back soon though to clear some stuff up, I'd comfortably say Artanis > BC > VE in terms of my certainty of mafia | ||
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here's my state of the game: list of reads so far: (the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not) REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN) probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok probably scum: artanis | ||
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On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote: I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote: but you put him as null to scummish??? considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE. if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum). I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK. | ||
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On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote: I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points. If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux. Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either... On May 22 2019 06:30 iGrok wrote: Oh right, ##Vote: Calix On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote: Because I don't think I can get HF lynched. but he still votes HF at the end! | ||
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On May 22 2019 10:16 iGrok wrote: So I color-code my notes but I'm not going to do all the extra formatting for TL colors, and had something marked in red that in hindsight should not have been on ruxxar. just went back through his filter, and here's my key notes. Note that I don't always write down the post #, not all posts are by that person, etc ruX quick summary post #811 feels weird -ruxx & disfo? can't be... maybe buddying by rux?? would vote for convo #862 actually takes effort, anti BC slightly #977 -rayn = town -hf = mafia, manipulating - also concurs with my point that HF was looking for wagons #1096 - HF calls rux scum in response ##1102 -Ruxx: hf is acting scummy Hf: youre right, but your scummy for calling me scum. #1347 rux makes good points that are town-indicative So before I went back through rux's filter just now, I only had 3 points on rux. The summary post, the #1096 (which is HF attacking rux), and #1347. But when I went back through the filter, I realized I'd missed a couple things. Like #862, I had that in my internal notes pile but never moved it to external once I looked back at it. I think that was a good post. #977, if you think HF is scum, feels pretty green. HF responds in the #1096 that I'd had before, but #1102 is exactly how I'd feel as well. So when I look back, I realize that my dislike of ruxxar mostly comes from A) me not reading closely enough and/or skipping some of his posts and B) the strongest argument against ruxxar comes from someone that I am now pretty sure is mafia. I also don't think that Calix and Ruxx are both mafia because... obviously. no need to bus here. And ruxx and HF aren't the same alignment, and calix and HF aren't the same alignment. So if at least one of calix and ruxx are town, that means that HF has to be scum. fuuck lol let me actually read HF's case.. | ||
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On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can. Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it one thing that I don't like about iGrok is that he shows that he has thoughts about the game outside of Calix/HF. right there. Artanis is his lowest read, outside of them. He later admits that the HF lynch won't happen, but he still ends up voting HF. weird. now this day, Artanis has a pretty good momentum going for him, and he mentioned that since he knows he's 100% town, he'll vote people to save himself. But he keeps staying on HF??? Why isn't he spending time to case someone else and tunnels onto HF like it's going to get him anywhere, when he says in his filter himself that lynching HF won't get anywhere. why does he think it's going to get him anywhere now? | ||
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On May 25 2019 01:14 wherebugsgo wrote: not sure if you're joking or being serious so I'll take you for srs just in case :p by tainted the thread I mean Koshi and his team saw what you said and he's probably adjusted by now if he's scum oh I’m totally joking, no worries. was sort of mocking the general sentiment against you every time you make a post. for what it’s worth I think I have a pretty solid set of towns, and I’m going to go enjoy LA now cause my partner’s about to stab me for playing when I said I wouldn’t | ||
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![[image loading]](https://images.app.goo.gl/styPv1CKtZpeEEdv8) On May 25 2019 04:18 Holyflare wrote: I have to say Conversion's re-entry today was really bad for several reasons: He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was: but his read just a few posts before was: I called him out and it was: It's really weird because his original post had this: So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's: It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong! On May 22 2019 10:05 iGrok wrote: ##Vote: Holyflare ![[image loading]](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/489/nick-young-confused-face-300x256-nqlyaa.jpg){kind=icon} | ||
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@Bugs you need to believe this Koshi vet claim. also he plays very similarly to when he was vet in my game. just says F U to town and sticks to his reads. very gungho just read this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Koshi&page=17 | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:53 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + What that's meant to say is "he even got iGrok's voting situation wrong" because it was obvious he didn't scum read ruxxar anymore. but I admitted to that mistake and said the real weird thing was how he how he seems to just ignore Artanis for no real good reason when he seemed completely OK voting townies off to save himself, but he somehow won’t comment on Art at all when he’s the competing wagon, even when Art has some good momentum | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: But that's not what he's doing He claimed and instantly was like "Well maybe I lynch not HF, maybe I lynch Bugs" He didn't stick to his reads at all! He INSTANTLY started shuffling around! well I can’t speak to post claim Vet Koshi plays, but preclaim he seems the same to me. play makes a lot of sense as Vet. Gets a list, says fuck you to town, doesn’t play nice, gets mad his list didn’t get lynched, etc this is without a dive fyi | ||
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I think we should lynch that guy also I just got wrecked by a massage chair | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:29 Conversion wrote: hey town remember when we were gonna follow the guy I totally didn’t scumread for half of day one that turned out to be a veteran? and lynch who I thought was scummy out of a triangle of BC, VE, Artanis? I think we should lynch that guy also I just got wrecked by a massage chair EBWOP | ||
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On May 25 2019 07:30 Jockmcplop wrote: You made me search for this on mafiawiki How embarrassing. Fuck you holyflare. rekt | ||
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On May 25 2019 07:30 Holyflare wrote: It's a mafia term where they can't lynch you because you're essentially the thread's mother and too innocent looking hahahah this is great | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Agree. Lots of blendy "oh I already did all this already" scummy posts. Maybe I just think he's mafia and I see what I want to see, but he didn't seem particularly townie while he was here. at what point do we excuse Artanis' points on lack of time vs. flailing mafia? I think a lot of people want to SEE a great player in Artanis, but it's just not coming (I don't think I ever played with Artanis, so not sure. I usually believe the vets when they say X is a good player though) | ||
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On May 26 2019 03:56 Holyflare wrote: igrok has posted reads list since then what's your conclusion on him now? We seem to see the game in a similar way, from taking a glance at his reads. why aren't you lynching Artanis? | ||
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On May 26 2019 04:02 Calix wrote: Because Artanis actually tried solving the game while he was around while iGrok just posted nonsense. Why do you scum-read Artanis THIS much over iGrok? I really want to understand, Conversion, so work with me here. because Artanis spending like 20 minutes of his 2 hours playing reminiscing about a game and posting old MS Paint pictures, while entertaining, is not trying to solve the game. Also he's brought nothing new to the table. | ||
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On May 26 2019 04:07 Calix wrote: While it is true that Artanis posted some nostalgic crap, iGrok has done nothing BUT make useless posts whereas Artanis actually made attempts at game-solving re: asking questions and considering other people's points [e.g., with WBG]. iGrok has shit-posted and barely made ANY game-related posts in comparison. Page 6 of iGrok's filter = pretty much everything he's done today. idk we can agree to disagree here I think Artanis is giving the illusion of ~~playing the game~~ his entire read progression on me was REALLY icky, it did not feel natural at all. it might boil down to just that edging Artanis > iGrok for me here. | ||
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On May 26 2019 04:09 Holyflare wrote: I think I gave a gun to mafia On May 26 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##shoot Calix ?????????? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus flying fuck at this game. If anyone wonders why I have more or less vanished from the game it is seriously the last 25 pages or so of shit, like holy fuck. THIS game is a very clear reason of many issues I had which led me to quit playing Mafia. Like this is a shit show. Anyone at this point has a logical reason to just not want to play, regardless of alignment. Because its the most ridiculous thing in the world to read full of vitrol and hate. Lets pretend for even 1 moment that HF's claim (which he redacted) is real. Why would any of you think that Bugs would ever listen to you guys when he has a gun? As mafia he just shoots who he wants. He would only shoot the other wagon if it was going to kill another townie. Otherwise he shoots a "scum" read or some shit. As town, when he thinks 90% of you are shitters he will just shoot who he wants. Now heres the thing, HE HAS ALREADY CLAIMED PR. He didn't claim what he has, he just claimed he was one. Now, that means if he isn't CCing that he is A) A vig, which can be either of alignment B) he is the jailkeeper who thinks hes the reason KP was blocked last night was him C) Hes a lying mafia asshat who is scared shitless of a confirmed town. NOW, speaking of confirmed town. Say for some flying fuck wild ride that Koshi is legit a Veteran and stopped a shot. Who the fuck would shoot him? Like seriously. No one has even remotely considered who in their right might shoots Koshi. The guy literally has bare bones reasons to his reads, in some case he has no reasons and just posts / parrots other people. He spams the thread, is widely ignored, but is essentially helping mafia. Why do they shoot him? Only someone who actually thought he was threatening that no one else was. You guys can go read that if you want. Why do I say this? Because the "vet" players in this game are 100% more likely to shoot Koshi as vigi's over being mafia. Like the sheer level of dumb in this thread. (Me included, im not saying im not guilty of it). People are being given a free pass for tons of shit. Rayn - acting like a troll day 1, fake claims, gets out of a "lynch" becomes non entity. Conversion - where the fuck is he. He is such a non entity that he more or less appears, says a few things of basically nothing, mimics sentiment or defends himself and vanishes Disinformaion - Literally this games defiinition of a parrot. He has basically 0 thoughts that are his own, spews out other peoples cases to justify his own shit, asks questions, then pisses off with nothing new. In fact he constantly brings up shit the thread has moved past to re clutter it with the same debates. Jock - Where the fuck is he. Outside of day 1, what has he done, where is he, why should I care about him. He is such a non entity with everything going on I barely ever remember hes in this game. VE - You argue and fight everything. You are extremely combative this game and part of the reason I can't tell between you and bugs who should die to clean the thread. I purposely and reading you both as town so I can skim posts now. you both are responsible for half the stuff that makes the thread so terrible. STOP FIGHTING WITH EACHOTHER and spending pages upon pages upon pages burying everything else. HF - You are being productive now but you werent for ages. I had more but you have started to actually well play. Long as you keep it up your general laziness / apathy day 1 can be ignored. Igrok - You don't know why you are up for the lynch? You have been basically for the last 72 hours. It was you or Artanis. Not sure how you can appear and disappear as frequently as you do and not even know where the thread sentiment / votes are. However, this is a case (as much as everyone will call me terrible for it) of why you are likely dumb town and not scum. Artanis and Calix are literally non stop talked about, and so am I. I know my filter is full of shit so feel free to kill me for it. Youd be doing me a favour. no offense dude, but you flaming people for being "non-entities" when you're around for less than 40% of the game just makes you look like an ass. Also literally no one is talking about Calix besides rayn, and the reason why iGrok vs Artanis is happening is because they're the two leading wagons. One of which you have gone off the rails to call scum based on one meta read. So calm your god damn mind down and lynch scum Artanis. What is it with you veterans and your fucking egos in flaming players, and then saying this is the reason why you stopped playing? You realize you're part of the problem by acting like an entitled dickwad and making a giant post flaming the entire game? The irony. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:08 Jockmcplop wrote: Conversion he's either doing the BC scumpost thing because he hasn't given us an obvious enough scumtell yet or trying to get a reaction. It looks ridiculous if you read it though lol. WHY IS EVERYONE POSTING SO MUCH AND WHY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POSTING NOT POSTING AND WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE MAFIA ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH so fucking bad.. On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok? I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation I LITERALLY ARTANIS one of his mafia reads why is he getting so angry?????? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:10 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Calix You can all fuck off. Artanis is maybe mafia but Calix is 1000% mafia. Maybe hf is also mafia. Maybe he would shoot me Indont care. Fuck you all for lynching iGrok. ❤iGrok Why are you getting off your possible SCUM READ to someone who most likely won't be lynched today????? save iGrok by convincing people to lynch Artanis please | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why? Look at the shitstorm of the last now close to 30 pages. I can logically make a case on basically every single player in this game on why they are mafia. LITERALLY everyone. Yes that is me included. Why am I angry? because most people while I think might be town for the most part are all playing towards the mafia win con. This game day alone we have had 1 player fake claim 1 player claim undisclosed role 1 player have someone claim they breadcrumbed a role 1 player claim vet 1 player reaffirm their day 1 claim We have had players literally reappear randomly, bring up old cases / sentiment on people more or less being town read to throw shade at them again and vanish again. We have players spamming the thread in anger at eachother while serving literally no purpose aside from helping mafia hide etc.... Like seriously? and it feels like most people dont even give a shit about all this stuff. so instead of being the problem how about you refocus some of these players like Koshi who just randomly jumped off his Artanis scum read to vote on a non-wagon factor of Calix, and convince people to lynch your scum read Artanis over your dumb town read iGrok I don't think I have to tell you how to play this game, considering you have a much richer history in playing mafia, and you're a better player. I literally don't get it. are you mafia with Koshi or something? | ||
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On May 26 2019 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote: That's right newbies, I come from an age BEFORE THE FILTER BUTTON! You neebs have it so easy. My first game was in 2011 in a 40 person game, and I distinctly remember not having a filter button that game and getting overwhelmed and quitting for like 5 years or something | ||
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I’m going to get dinner and scan the thread before EoD. | ||
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but like Koshi just randomly fucked off Artanis for no good reason onto Calix and got iGrok lynched. and now we have two MKs, especially one of my top townreads. for some reason rayn and Koshi refused to consolidate onto their possible scum!Artanis read and were totally okay lynching their sure town!iGrok read. BC explodes at town and calls me a non entity when I’m trying to gather people off iGrok, but no one pulls together for someone I’m PRETTY sure was flailing scum. and then I’m called a non entity while everyone else fucks off and plays their own game. I’m tired of rayn calling me scum off one EoD interaction, and I’m sick of people ignoring me for whatever fucking reason while they townread me I’m pretty fucking demotivated. whatever. I’m just gonna back off this game. I’m going to sheep you most likely Koshi. | ||
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On May 27 2019 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone following Koshi into oblivion, please step into line behind him in an orderly fashion. I'll be right there, I'm just preparing the map for our Lord. I’ve prepared his robes, boots, and diamond encrusted sceptre. | ||
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I had a lot of fun not being a liability to the scum team by hetting lynched D1 for once | ||
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On May 30 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote: I think I need to be more confident in getting people to vote with me when i have a read. I feel like I should have got artanis on day 2 but I kinda gave up a bit. I could've had conversion day 1 also but didn't really go for it. Covnersion you shut that down pretty nicely well played. Bugs we should definitely hydra on the next game where mods allow it. thanks! I was pretty afraid I was defending myself a bit too much, but once you got off my back I felt a bit relieved  we should play some Chess sometime-- I recall you saying you do. I'm awful at it though, so teach me sensei | ||
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for example, if I google "scrape a web forum" I already have the name of someone trying to use BeautifulSoup, and the first result of searching that yields this link: https://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/bs4/doc/ which has a quickstart and documentation on how to proceed. you can also ask TL Mafia (I believe we have a handful of software engineers?) and I'm sure they can point you to the right documents/places to learn about something | ||
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