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As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi. HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them. I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat. Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking. (I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote) ##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote: Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. | ||
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Early thread leanings VE - Town Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum Ruxxar - Lean scum Callix - Scum | ||
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What do you think of the quote I posted in my bigger post above? | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you asking me? I was the one who said it's a scum post in the first place. Because its a post you didnt talk about and IMO is a post that 100% proves your point? | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:44 ruXxar wrote: i dont know jocks meta, but i find it extremely unlikely he is mafia. Answer HF too yo! | ||
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On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote: Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. | ||
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On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying | ||
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However at this point, Ruxxar and Calix are the 2 scummiest people in thread. I mean I would actually kill Ruxxar over Calix at this point but we also have 48 hours or some nonsense left to get information on people. | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:54 Calix wrote: I don't know what you refer to with 'too certain of [her] opinions' or 'tries to find the best angle to defend them' given that all I've really done so far is sheep people. Which I am going to continue doing for various reasons. What about that post made you not like Ruxxar? Heres a better question. What do you think on Ruxxar? Answer my question and I will more than gladly answer yours =) | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:00 Calix wrote: He has kinda similar reads to myself. Aside from thinking I'm mafia. But otherwise I don't see anything particularly indicative one way or another. So if you do see something you're gonna have to ELI5. He literally copy pasted your post (as his first post) but changed rayn to town and you to scum as his first post His reasoning's for you being scum he is also guilty of. his then justification for his read was so garbage it screams scum. | ||
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Town reads VE HF (god help me) Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation Null Everyone else | ||
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So far feels similar to my d1 feels of him last game. Things can change though. However since both VE and you are here bugs. Lets restore some order? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: you do not think i am town or mafia for claiming parity cop? Your claim / shit with HF downgraded you from a town lean to a Null read. Dude. You need to step the fuck back out of this thread for like 10 minutes. Go calm yourself down and come back. We have 48 hours to figure out a lynch and you are arguing and flailing like you have 5 minutes. Normally I disagree with you a ton, and fuck I hate your playstyle but you are normally someone I can get a better clear read on and you went and fucked it up. | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of I want VE and Bugs to comment on this now please. | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: youre right. i would say normally it wouldn't matter to me if i was sure, but i am actually sure now. i understand why you feel like this. idk why you hate my playstyle because i am nowhere near as abrasive i used to be. If it's because i call people retarded then okay i do. No its because your town style is very very similar to my mafia playstyle (which HF is also guilty of) and it makes me want to stab you both with knives. but I also get thats a stylistic thing and something thats an issue on my end. Theres more to why I dislike what youve done in the last 4 pages but Ill hold on to that for now as it may matter later if you continue playing like you are | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:29 disformation wrote: where is jock? or are you withholding that read (i am super curious after you asked everyone to comment on it) until everyone commented on it? -.- Anyone else interested that he wonders where my jock read is but doesn't give a fuck that I put him as mafia ? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you just tell me about it? if you are town then there is no reason you're gonna yell me about it later just because? You are a good enough player to change what I am seeing if I out it atm. This is purely for my own read of your meta. If it makes you feel better if I need to bring it up it will be done in a very similar manner to which I did (although wrongly) to HF last game. So you will be able to very clearly see my thought process. I wont bring it up now purely because I don't think you are someone who should even be up to be lynched today and until you post shit that changes my mind on that I dont want to waste more time cluttering the thread when there are better options IMO | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am confused. When you say you dislike what i am doing are you saying it makes me look scummy (or scummier)? If that's so then idc. If it's like you dislike as a person (idk how to word it) then i'd like you to say whay. Think of it like this. up until say 4ish pages ago I had you as a town read. You then proceeded to do things that put you down to null. Clearly I don't think you are currently scum but I dont have you clearly town anymore. IE you did something(s) that I didnt like. I given some of that already. Anything else is meta and I want to see if it was an abnormality based on the general circumstance. Again I find reading you and HF extremely hard and don't want to clutter the thread when its not a good thing for the game. Just know that I am actively looking for scum and as of now I am looking at you carefully to determine you either way. A town Rayn is a great thing but a mafia one is a shitty thing. | ||
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On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi. HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them. I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat. Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking. (I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote) ##vote raynpelikoneet On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix On May 20 2019 06:49 ruXxar wrote: this post right here it almost makes me wanna vomit how artificial it is gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it! Also, Bugs and VE On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote: Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: BC, on Jock’s post, I don’t remember if it occurred after my post on rayn or before, the one that Calix said they liked (which was 220 IIRC) but basically I agreed with Jock’s assessment. Comparing to last game and based on what Jock said post-game I think his posts here are within the bands of what I’d expect for a reasonable town adjustment. My read there is not strong but I do think what rayn has said about him is completely wrong. I’d suggest reading the first few pages without filter diving and see what conclusion you come up with. I’m particularly curious if you think town-rayn would come to the same conclusion and whether you think the aggression is real. Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself. | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. idk what i did except for push my scum read. If you see me and HF as the "same" he does that same thing for different reasons, with less confirmation. I am just trying to get my scumread lynched, if that's what you dislike then.... well whatever. I know you read Jock mafia aswell, i just dont understand how you come up with a different opinion on me atm just because how i did it, and not why. You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with. Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all. | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:55 wherebugsgo wrote: You know he’s town? btw I didn’t see anyone else mention this and I’m sad because I wanted a free town read so I’ll just come out and say it myself VE used activity to paint iGrok scummy based on him being replaced last game but actually iGrok was town last game, replaced by slam. I can’t point out the post now because I’m on mobile but 99.999% sure VE’s post was saying this. Seems like it might have just been an honest mistake but VE is quite sharp Id say if Igrok gets replaced again it would be more of an indication VE is has a read on it. If Igrok comes out being more active he might revise his read? | ||
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Please for the love of god dont turn this thread into a shitshow in the meantime though | ||
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between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=Jockmcplop I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. | ||
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A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady. Basically hes a good cop check? Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:41 Jockmcplop wrote: So it doesn't get lost. Anyone wanna talk about lynching a lurker? given that the lurkers in this game more or less (so far) are like Disinformation Ruxxar Calix and like Conversion are in that list more or less im semi fine with that? But only because most of the people lurking thus far are people i already want to hang. If you are so unsure with the current thread trend and who to lynch id almost say rng it instead. | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Just out of interest bobby do you accept my explanation as to why i have changed my meta so drastically in the first few games?? I would have no need to change my meta if i was mafia, as the only game I have won so far was as mafia. My first two town games were both horrible mistakes - which is why i have deliberately changed my playstyle. I just don't want you to be suspicious of me based off that. I had a very, very solid reason to change the way i was playing when i instantly died in my first two town games. WOuldn't that make you want to change your playstyle? I also explained that the adjustments that I have made were due to reading along with the last game. Can you see how the things that were successful in the last game for town are influencing the way I am playing now? You are still more nullish read to me. Again I want to see more? If you are town me watching for a bit to get a solid read on you. Dont want to repeat last game. | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:58 Jockmcplop wrote: In fact, why would you leave iGrock out of that list? Did you forget, because I mentioned him the post that I quoted. Tbh Igrock gets a pass atm, along with artanis as they are names i recognize and would rather be sure on alignment before killing them. not saying they aren't mafia, just saying they both more or less look inactive as fuck and not like lurkers. Plus I far more prefer offing people in the list I listed. All of them scream scum for a reason here or there, and all of it after the stupidity of the first few pages / shit with rayn. | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:08 Jockmcplop wrote: Hmmm.... Not a fan of this reasoning but I'll let it pass for now. Can you explain to me why recongizable names (I assume that means people you have played with a few times before) means you don't want to vote for them based of inactivity? mainly due to it backfiring on me in the past. Offing a recognizable name before they have an opportunity to damn themselves can backfire royally and fuck the town out of a resource. Now, if I thought they had said something that screams super scum to me id be down, but as of yet I don't have anything besides a null read. Why off a null read when I have mafia reads? | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list. | ||
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On May 21 2019 01:57 ruXxar wrote: its like a circle jerk of the big dawgs preying on the weak. now that they finally calmed down the mice stick their heads out. This quite honestly sounds like you are actively reading the thread but opting to not post to avoid the active players. Active players who are trying to figure the game out. Now why wouldn't you want to be helping figure the game out? | ||
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There are far better options atm then someone who might get removed via a mod. That is literally why he shouldnt be up for a lynch | ||
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On May 21 2019 05:13 disformation wrote: hope this isnt like a hf/koshi/art game or something. isnt banking on modkills a bad idea? like nothing stops him showing up 1-2mins b4 deadline posting something and then avoiding the modkill. i think VE has a point. in recent fibonacci themed game, scum!vivax got a bunch of votes thrown in his face and just disappeared from the face of the earth. Thing is, If he shows up and provides literally nothing just to save himself that itself is more or less the proof youd need to off him as he cares enough to live but not play. Its day 1. Id rather rng day 1 than just kill someone who might eat a modkill. Vivax flipped red last game but Id argue the same thing. To me at the point he vanished I wasn't sold on the kill Vivax. He got modkilled and flipped red. Doesn't prove that this will happen this time as its a different player. | ||
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On May 21 2019 05:30 disformation wrote: alright, i mean if he does it really obvious like we can obviously just lynch him next day. point is rather: if he is likely to flip scum we should still lynch him and not bank on a mod action. and d1 imo is not a bad day to lynch into the less active players. not sure if he is my preferred lunch though. mah reeds are kinda ass atm tbh. gonna duck out for another hour. will hopefully be back to actually play then Im not convinced as of the moment that he is likely to flip scum though. Im not familiar enough with his meta. Lynching less active people is fine, but ones that are active enough to read properly. Full on inactives are better off being killed by mods or vigis | ||
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On May 02 2019 00:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Order of people who need to be lynched currently. Jock Rels FF Rels and FF are interchangeable atm. If Igrok isn't modkilled then add him to that list if he magically comes back to hit the minimum post requirements. In terms of everyone else. BC - Town Pandain - lean town WBG -lean town HF - lean town VE - Lean town Koshi - Neutral Rayn - Neutral Grack, MZ and Vivax are all on my watch list atm as they arent performing as they should as town. | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not gonna lie, its NAI he'd do it as town too if he thinks I'm being a donkey, but I'm deadly ass serious about coming for him if iGrok gets flipped mafia. Anyway back to what I was doing. BC quit being a scumlord. Go for it. Keep in mind my view of igrok this game (while being similar) is the exact same sentiment I had basically with Vivax. Again, it wasn't scummy as shit for me last game, not sure why you think it is now. Maybe because you are all in on the Igrok wagon but still. | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:15 Holyflare wrote: I think my town circle was a bit wrong perhaps. Makes you feel any better, I feel mine is off as well. | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote: Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point. Based on that Logic alone, I would expect you to not view Calix as Mafia given that the post that made you think she was mafia (which was her first game post) is literally the exact same thing you did just replace rayn with her. Id suggest if you would like to meta read me (which I believe is easy to do) go look at any of my other games. I have well, many spanning back years. So go for it. | ||
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Anyone wondering why anyone (mainly bugs and myself) Are on ruxxar. 1) his first post called out someone for being mafia. This post however was near identical to the person he called mafia. 2) when pushed on said read he highlighted one aspect that made him think calix was red. Which was a read on bugs. 3) subsequently from then he has said town reads, been ok to just swap to other likely wagons (with near no stated reason) and thrown shade without solid commitment to anything. 4) active lurking. All these things are mafia traits. As such I believe he has a higher likelihood to flip scum. People can keep looking at other people. I mean I want people to keep hunting for the other scum. However the lack of anyone wanting to even comment on ruxxar while trying to bring igrok/calix/anyone else forward is odd. | ||
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Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar. I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours? Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten? This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus. and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. | ||
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Basically mine is as followed Town BC WBG HF (again god help me) VE Null Koshi Conversion Jock Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now) Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red) Igrok Mafia Ruxxar Disinformation Artanis | ||
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The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points. Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently. Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them. Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:24 Conversion wrote: I’m spending a good chunk of this day getting a better hold of who I trust and who I don’t since I spent the last 48hrs tunneling andapparently that makes me mafia. also heading into work now brb Hey everyone, Keep a note at this reply please. Its not fully damning but it not looking good. Hey Disinformation. Your turn. Name your top 3 scum reads and why | ||
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On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady. Basically hes a good cop check? Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return. Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit? | ||
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Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:36 disformation wrote: that is _after_ that progression. its like 6-7 hours after you are like "jock is a scum lean, read wbg for my thought progression". You do realize that after the post I just quoted of mine I basically didnt talk about Jock for ages? Why do you care about my Jock read progression. I literally in my filter said I wasn't 100% on him and it was a lean. Why the hell do you care more about my reasons for someone leaning scum as opposed to someone I think is scum? You are reading the thread, you have been here more or less active the entire game day and have offered nothing of substance. Help us solve the game, or if you just insist on tunneling people who point in your direction get ready to likely get vigi'd or lynched. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:42 disformation wrote: yeah, i am prolly a decent target for scum atm, pretty sure there is scum in the ppl scumreading me. yes, like i mentioned earlier bugs is like the only sane person in this damn game. nah rayn is imo gonna solve himself and im not confident in reading joshi in the first place. but i am starting to notice that he and i have a lot of different reads so i want to see if i have a decent shot at his alignment from that. If you think Bugs is the only sane person in the game you would trust his judgment on me, which you dont. Especially given you said you would sheep him. So instead of antagonizing me you should want to be doing you know, something productive? | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:44 Conversion wrote: how is that not good? are you serious. my entire filter is calling disfo scum, and the MAJORITY of people in the game are telling me (some which I believe to be town atm) that I’m wrong and to look elsewhere. you have Jock on your list crying about how I’m scum and being flimsy as fuck and not really looking into anything else yet you don’t question him/find him suspicious? this game man.. You can't tell me 3 mafia reads, or refuse to. Im not asking you to trust me, Im not asking you to trust anyone. I am asking you, if you are town, to tell me who you think is mafia. You know, something town should be trying to do? Im not GOING OMG YOU ARE SCUM BECAUSE OF JOCK. I am looking at you shady as you basically told town to get fucked. Ignore your biggest scum read for 5 seconds. Who else do you think could be scum? | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I would like to do this. I think we need to start working together more. I'll start with this: ##Unvote Right conversion, I still think you're scum but my vote will most likely land elsewhere. I'm fed of being being distracted with you putting me on the defensive while I'm trying to figure out more important shit. WBG: Can you see why I need to figure out calix/koshi??? Calix has almost exactly the same reads as me and is now trying to get the rayn trayn a running. However, Koshi is insisting that calix is scum and we're all stupid for not already knowing that. So... I need to know whether calix is scum so I can figure out whether or not to reevaluate absolutely everything so far. What are you thinking on this? I'm sorry for being fucking useless but I don't even know how to figure this shit out at all... especially while koshi isn't here. Or god help us. Listen to HF and bugs and vote VE. -_- This game does sound completely diff from last game and far less collaborative, or hell, even an attempt at collaboration. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote: I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game. A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh. TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well. Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote: @BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok? Honestly this is exactly what I wanted. Thank you. Im happy to leave you be for now. | ||
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Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter. If hes not who we decide to lynch. At this point id still be down for Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar. I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities | ||
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However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up. Lets look at your first point. My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing. Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there. Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me) I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with. Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude. So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy. | ||
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Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets. VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back. | ||
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On May 22 2019 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: BC do you really think art has the pull? Those never work out anyway what are you doing? Has the pull? Maybe? We have like what? less than 7 hours before the deadline and I leave for work in about an hour. Between now and then i'm not around. Even if you doubt his level of pull, he got an auto sheep vote already, and other people actively talking about swinging that way. Given that I think Artanis is showing his mafia hand why wouldnt I at least push back? Dude. The guy clearly cherry picked my filter / created a false scenario of events on how I am playing. | ||
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As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so. No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm. Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet. Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting. As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am. That leaves everyone else. There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure. the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now. I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside. | ||
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Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to. That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. | ||
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On May 22 2019 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been in here all morning trying to figure out the game. You're ignoring my posts. I haven't asked you questions because you're both doing a DECENT job (BC less so) of putting your thoughts into the thread. What do I need to ask? Why do I need your input? On May 22 2019 22:28 VisceraEyes wrote: If you ask me questions that make me think you're trying to build a narrative of my actions then I'm GOING to ignore them, because the narrative is what I say it is because it's my posting and you can fuck yourself. I do the things I do for the reasons I give and that's simply the end of it. Both of these are very reasonable Bugs. Take a step back. We both tunneled all day through day 1 basically. We were wrong. Much like we were wrong on HF last game. If he honestly doesnt agree with us, and we both appear to be stubborn he will play as such. | ||
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On May 23 2019 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m going to go and disappear now, back to my place in the scum QT. If anyone has questions for me feel free to throw them out, I’ll do my best to not miss them when I do come back. Also, if I had a gun I would positively policy shoot you for this as you keep doing it. For fucks sake dude. If you are town its dumb as fuck to do, if you are mafia its playing against your win con =\ I get it, you are frustrated but shit dude. | ||
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On May 23 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi. Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage. I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level. If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn. This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted. | ||
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Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right. TBH Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch. Myself Calix Igrok Artanis Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group. If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least. I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red. Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? | ||
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I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time. As such ##vote artanis | ||
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Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game. Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I kinda hope I'm Artanis' lynch preference. Because I'm gonna stonewall him if I am, like hard. Barring some weird change I think hes going to continue on me so you know. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote: I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI. As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made? Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off" As for posts On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting. It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well. But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday. And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day. Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there. Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1 Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote: @VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not? Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like... He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory. On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement. "If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break. I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else. That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:07 Conversion wrote: I do not think mafia!Calix draws attention to herself like this if people are moving off her? I can dive I guess. what’s the case against Calix? Purposely drawing attention to yourself tbh isn't a Town indicator. Anyone can do it regardless of alignment. | ||
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My issue with your view of it is that you had to have that pointed out to you. Especially after he was going to reconsidering his read on you. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:34 Calix wrote: I don't wanna be snarky but: A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views. Hope that makes sense. Like Calix just going to say. For you to post this, then On May 23 2019 20:38 Calix wrote: I already did that and you didn't say what posts or why exactly they made you change your mind. I'm asking the question to get you to stick to something more concrete than 'well I changed my mind', thus making it harder for you to be slippery and changeable with your reads if you ARE mafia. Making snide comments about the level of effort I am putting in won't change that fact, mate. So to defending yourself via "this is how I play" to then attack someone for "this is how I play" basically is umm, a hypocritical move? Just saying | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:07 Calix wrote: I do not understand why it is so hard for you to just answer the damn question instead of calling me 'lazy', 'hypocritical' and 'dense'. How helpful! If you're going to dodge that, then lemme ask you this. Do you think this interaction I've had with you makes me more likely town or mafia? I will leave you be if you answer this. I'm not accepting 'null', or a bunch of waffle, or attacks on my character, as an answer. Honestly? All your interactions with me I extremely dislike. Which makes me lean scum. However, I still prefer my artanis read so my vote stays there. and before you go "but why does it make me seem scum" If you are town, you would have at least attempted to think why I would be playing the way I do. hell me quoting your post is a direct link to that A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. Me explaining 100% a town read isnt something I am going to do all the time. Especially when I am worrying about a scum read. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. You clearly haven't been paying attention to things I have said or have been ignoring it hense my other comments. IE why would I think explaining things to you would reach you in any way when you clearly haven't been agreeing or taking me at my word previously? Again. Would you prefer me calling you dense or scum? Because Im starting to lean scum | ||
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On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement. "If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break. I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else. That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. Literally posted this pages ago =\ | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:21 Holyflare wrote: Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix? Similar reasons to Ruxxar not really trying to dissuade people from voting for him? Like, I do see where you are coming from but if you arent 100% on a read and fear it might hit town (who could very well by lynched) why wouldnt you remove said vote if it could save them. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Shitty entrance: 2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX: 3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games: This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself. 4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him: All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him. 5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all. Pls kill. This is the main post. I posted reasoning in thread before as to why however for the coles notes. He completely misinterprets my meta and should know better, cherry picks posts to make a false narrative and then lies about things I have done. Like, I can't see past that personally and I tried. I just can't see town doing all of those things. | ||
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Like, you even removed one of his "core" points on your rehash. Also not sure why people keep saying my reads go unexplained as I have explained various reads throughout the game. More importantly its not like any of the ones I haven't fully explained is a thing only im guilty of. So whatever. People want to lynch me for a false narrative created by a scum, being brought up repeatedly by someone else that could be scum / bad town go for it =\ | ||
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On May 23 2019 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted. Ill let you decide if this was a good enough reason, if not go to town on me man. Said I wouldn't fight it. Given I did have him as null or town everywhere else after that post you quoted. | ||
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https://tl.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=BloodyC0bbler Was mafia. I know theres at least 1 or 2 posts in there that could easily explain my stylistic change. However that is a very good example of my scum play. Especially given that its recent. However now to continue reading everything else that happened while I slept. | ||
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As for Igrok. I liked them because they show he is actively scum hunting and making notes. He calls people out for things he notices. Sure that can be faked. But it doesn't strike me as "HI IM MAFIA" and instead comes of more like "HI IM TOWN" Also he was willing to reevaluate a read over just auto locking a lynch due to new light. He may have re settled his read but actively being willing to update via new information is a good thing. | ||
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On May 24 2019 05:41 disformation wrote: eh sry for the huge quote thing. you quote like 5 grok quotes as being town. and two of them are very underwhelming imo. also where the fuck is everyone else. i want opinions on this stuff (grok/art/bc) from everyone I can totally appreciate your view. Its just how I saw him. I am clearly willing to admit I could be wrong. Regardless of what other people say, my strong suit has never been as town as I struggle to differentiate mafia from what I perceive as bad play. Which is my own fault and my own personal bias' that come into play. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:06 Holyflare wrote: You'll hopefully see the old me tomorrow! putting this up for posterity. If he doesnt follow through I will have to seriously look at him. | ||
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On May 24 2019 08:02 Holyflare wrote: Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating. Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc. Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia. It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies. Thats fair, I appreciate the input. | ||
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Downside to this game was that I knew a member of the mafia from d1 but wasn't allowed to do anything about it, then the host fuckup accidently outted said member. Feel kinda bad about it for bum. I mean at the time I was pissed you killed me but I have kinda gotten used to the fact that as town or mafia I draw bullets and lynches. | ||
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On May 24 2019 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: You guys got host fucked in Storm too but that was labeled as a hard tame to start. Also fuck this game -_- Storm mafia was one of the biggest middle fingers to scum ever. Just glad third party won. | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:59 Holyflare wrote: I don't agree with that premise because rayn/igrok could have shot him bugs/bc could have shot him out of spite haven't checked who else town read him so, no, not really a good premise Rofl, under no circumstance would I shoot Koshi ever. Even if he pegged me, because he is at odds ends with too many people who will argue with him and clusterfuck the thread. Id shoot him as town though for spite | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:05 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG please tell me you think I slipped and I'm actually headed out of this shitshow. Please tell me that. Take me with you? | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:12 Holyflare wrote: I don't want to, I like having you around. Let's see what BC has to say about my case on iGrok. What page in your filter is in it? For ease of my reading it | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:22 Holyflare wrote: Somewhere between 1 and the end of it. + Show Spoiler + https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?user=Holyflare&page=16 Its not bad. I do like it. But I still (currently) would prefer to lynch Artanis. I will spend part of the night at work thinking on it, and on breaks filter diving igrok to get a better read but like, currently still prefer Artanis. | ||
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On May 25 2019 20:02 VisceraEyes wrote: But like...it seems like a lot of the people who don't do that are here in this game and want to work with you right? Me, Artanis, it seems like you and HF could work together if you tried...BC not beyond reason. Like I think you're tunneled on Calix sure, but I'm not berating you for it or anything, I just want to understand man. And you're not helping me to understand. Err. Not going to lie but like, half the people in this game seem unwilling to truly compromise (me included id say). People are near refusing to try and read other players as anything but they seem. Like. For instance, nothing that has happened this game day makes me change my read on bugs. In fact I understand exactly why he raged at koshis claim. When you have more or less all the vets on complete opposite spectrums in terms of our reads its almost for sure that 1) we are all bad 2) at least 1 - 2 of us are mafia 3) both of the above Also, some of the people that have berated Rayn in the past (at least in either obs qts, games, etc..) are actually in this game. Not sure why he would want to work together. Fuck with how toxic this thread is, I can easily understand just playing to prove ones own competence regardless of the outcome. | ||
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We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc... Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ | ||
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On May 25 2019 20:10 disformation wrote: was also not easy to even get some form of consolidation d1 for the lynch It hasn't even been easy getting consolidation on either of todays lynches. Look at the unvotes and revotes etc... Unless both candidates are mafia, hell even if only one is, its still a field day for mafia given how chaotic and at eachothers throats we all are. | ||
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I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation I | ||
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Lets pretend for even 1 moment that HF's claim (which he redacted) is real. Why would any of you think that Bugs would ever listen to you guys when he has a gun? As mafia he just shoots who he wants. He would only shoot the other wagon if it was going to kill another townie. Otherwise he shoots a "scum" read or some shit. As town, when he thinks 90% of you are shitters he will just shoot who he wants. Now heres the thing, HE HAS ALREADY CLAIMED PR. He didn't claim what he has, he just claimed he was one. Now, that means if he isn't CCing that he is A) A vig, which can be either of alignment B) he is the jailkeeper who thinks hes the reason KP was blocked last night was him C) Hes a lying mafia asshat who is scared shitless of a confirmed town. NOW, speaking of confirmed town. Say for some flying fuck wild ride that Koshi is legit a Veteran and stopped a shot. Who the fuck would shoot him? Like seriously. No one has even remotely considered who in their right might shoots Koshi. The guy literally has bare bones reasons to his reads, in some case he has no reasons and just posts / parrots other people. He spams the thread, is widely ignored, but is essentially helping mafia. Why do they shoot him? Only someone who actually thought he was threatening that no one else was. You guys can go read that if you want. Why do I say this? Because the "vet" players in this game are 100% more likely to shoot Koshi as vigi's over being mafia. Like the sheer level of dumb in this thread. (Me included, im not saying im not guilty of it). People are being given a free pass for tons of shit. Rayn - acting like a troll day 1, fake claims, gets out of a "lynch" becomes non entity. Conversion - where the fuck is he. He is such a non entity that he more or less appears, says a few things of basically nothing, mimics sentiment or defends himself and vanishes Disinformaion - Literally this games defiinition of a parrot. He has basically 0 thoughts that are his own, spews out other peoples cases to justify his own shit, asks questions, then pisses off with nothing new. In fact he constantly brings up shit the thread has moved past to re clutter it with the same debates. Jock - Where the fuck is he. Outside of day 1, what has he done, where is he, why should I care about him. He is such a non entity with everything going on I barely ever remember hes in this game. VE - You argue and fight everything. You are extremely combative this game and part of the reason I can't tell between you and bugs who should die to clean the thread. I purposely and reading you both as town so I can skim posts now. you both are responsible for half the stuff that makes the thread so terrible. STOP FIGHTING WITH EACHOTHER and spending pages upon pages upon pages burying everything else. HF - You are being productive now but you werent for ages. I had more but you have started to actually well play. Long as you keep it up your general laziness / apathy day 1 can be ignored. Igrok - You don't know why you are up for the lynch? You have been basically for the last 72 hours. It was you or Artanis. Not sure how you can appear and disappear as frequently as you do and not even know where the thread sentiment / votes are. However, this is a case (as much as everyone will call me terrible for it) of why you are likely dumb town and not scum. Artanis and Calix are literally non stop talked about, and so am I. I know my filter is full of shit so feel free to kill me for it. Youd be doing me a favour. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:10 Conversion wrote: so fucking bad.. LITERALLY ARTANIS one of his mafia reads why is he getting so angry?????? Why? Look at the shitstorm of the last now close to 30 pages. I can logically make a case on basically every single player in this game on why they are mafia. LITERALLY everyone. Yes that is me included. Why am I angry? because most people while I think might be town for the most part are all playing towards the mafia win con. This game day alone we have had 1 player fake claim 1 player claim undisclosed role 1 player have someone claim they breadcrumbed a role 1 player claim vet 1 player reaffirm their day 1 claim We have had players literally reappear randomly, bring up old cases / sentiment on people more or less being town read to throw shade at them again and vanish again. We have players spamming the thread in anger at eachother while serving literally no purpose aside from helping mafia hide etc.... Like seriously? and it feels like most people dont even give a shit about all this stuff. | ||
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No, that is literally things I have read. You auto dismissing it is helpful though. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:20 Conversion wrote: Why are you getting off your possible SCUM READ to someone who most likely won't be lynched today????? save iGrok by convincing people to lynch Artanis please And you wonder why people would scum read koshi -_- | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:21 Conversion wrote: so instead of being the problem how about you refocus some of these players like Koshi who just randomly jumped off his Artanis scum read to vote on a non-wagon factor of Calix, and convince people to lynch your scum read Artanis over your dumb town read iGrok I don't think I have to tell you how to play this game, considering you have a much richer history in playing mafia, and you're a better player. I literally don't get it. are you mafia with Koshi or something? And as I have said game after game for ages (not this one yet). Of the veteran players I by far am the worst town player. My specialty has always been out of thread communication. I am also as mafia adept at thread manipulation but almost always end up dying because Im obvious as fuck. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:24 Calix wrote: BC, I know you think I'm mafia and stuff. But I want to help make the thread cleaner. You seem very much like you would want this. Would you consider switching votes to someone spammier? Sad thing is. End of the game we win by killing mafia. If i 100% thing artanis is scum I will lynch him. If i was null on the entire thread id be willing to off bugs as hes been more vitriol as of late. | ||
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On May 26 2019 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote: ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/pb8wayp1KafJK/giphy.gif) Jailers act into HF myself rayn Koshi Vigs act into Calix Artanis BC Bugs Please do. I want out of this wild ride | ||
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Like I want to die but your read in me is terribly wrong. Artanis Disinformation Calix Maybe HF. *shrugs* Again hope I eat the bullet | ||
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You were wrong on igrok You are wrong about me. So given I don't trust your reads based on that perhaps mine are more realistic. | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote: BC why did you make that post last night when being fake angry is your mafia thing? Being mad is a one of my mafia things sure. But the thread being borderline unreadable is true. Hell I'm pretty sure bugs played in the game I hardcore raged on toadestern for spam shit. I play mafia to have fun. I wasn't and really aren't having fun and as much as I have tried to change that the same atmosphere returns. People kill.me go for it. I'll play the let's see how right I am game | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote: I was not wrong on iGrok, I thought he was going to flip jailkeeper for like 80% of yesterday. I at least got the alignment right. I mended my reads with HF because I thought we needed to cooperate more. He didn't listen to me. Didn't you vote to kill him? | ||
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Do you not understand my frustration? Even if my scum read a are wrong don't you get it? | ||
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Also love how my reads must be wrong because no one else shares all of them. Luls Also scum reading me for something you did bugs is hilarious (Koshi claim) Just saying | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:09 Holyflare wrote: Rayn and Koshi have largely just afkd d2 and auto voted actual mafia so I don't particularly think they've been toxic at all lately. You've essentially driven off VE, got 2 people probably modkilled, made iGrok leave the thread and auto lynch himself and not given town BC a chance to play. Then berated the only town guy that made cases for the whole of d2 for being wrong and blamed him for the game state while claiming he's now mafia while you lynched your town read. +1 | ||
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My death would confirm HF, it also slaps a player like bugs in the face and makes him change his reads. He kind of has to accept everything that is happening / happened and change how hes playing when I flip town. Given how widely suspected I am it would also force people who are ignoring my reads based on their read of me would also have to reevaluate the fing game. | ||
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Shame you can't see through that. | ||
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Would bullet time VE so hard just to remove him from the game. | ||
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Sums everything up. | ||
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Hell part of me would love if one of the 2 modkilled were mafia but I feel they were both town =\ | ||
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Also at least I was right on 2 | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:35 wherebugsgo wrote: why the hell does he nullread Jock, conversion, Koshi, rayn, AND HF? Like this is possibly the whackiest list any player has made in the entire game I may have lost but. Fuck you bugs  :p | ||
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For whatever reason early on everyone just discounted literally everything I said and has me as just as suspicious as my preferred lynch targets that basically you wouldn't ever die -_- Oh well. Still glad I'm not fully pants on head retardbad | ||
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