EPTDon't misrepresent my WBG read as having anything to do with you.
@Koshi, I don't put much stock into how other people perceive someone's meta although I might take their points into consideration. In this case, BC is still in the red for me though.
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Don't misrepresent my WBG read as having anything to do with you. @Koshi, I don't put much stock into how other people perceive someone's meta although I might take their points into consideration. In this case, BC is still in the red for me though. | ||
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On May 23 2019 18:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how Calix completely ignoring the fact that BC conveniently voted to kill me EoD yesterday at a really important time. Makes my vote on her actually MEAN something. As far as I remember, he 'fear voted' you at a time when you had no votes and then took it off without really going anywhere with his read on you. So I think you over-exaggerate the significance of that. | ||
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On May 23 2019 18:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I never said one had anything to do with the other where you're concerned - only that the fact that he's pushing on me hard and has been for half a cycle MUST factor in to your read. You're lying if you say it doesn't.  Didn't pay it much mind because I town-read both of you at the time so just thought "oh boy, more unhelpful town on town squabbling" but hey, might look over those arguments again. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah, the reasoning is meaningless in the context of what I'm saying. It was the timing I was concerned with, there was no telling at the time that it wasn't really going anywhere, it was at a time when most people should have been considering compromising to achieve a lynch. So as "my mafia partner" he's voting me A) at a time when people should be considering voting OFF their reads to achieve a good lynch and B) at a time when someone with thread pull is in the thread baying for my blood. Nah. I'm not "over-exaggerating" or even exaggerating a little bit the significance of the vote. It was a bad vote if he's my partner and BC is not a bad player, and incidentally neither am I. Ah yes, a lone fear-vote with little explanation is REALLY going to get everyone baying for your head. My eyes just fell out from rolling so hard. You yourself complained about how stubborn and uncompromising [rayn/ Koshi/ WBG/ myself] were being, and this is in a game where literally nobody was gaining traction, so I don't believe you actually thought a slew of votes would fall onto you. It's also extremely scummy how you're spending less time trying to clear yourself and more time 'disproving' the BC/ VE association even though your reasoning doesn't disprove it at all. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly I don't care if you're voting for me. My reasoning IS good, and others that aren't you will see it. Your inability to see it makes you either mafia or salty for being voted. Either way I'm not going to convince you. Have a nice day. You voted for me yesterday and I didn't give a shit. Makes no sense for you to now think I'm attacking you purely because of you voting me as opposed to the context of your vote. Your responses only confirmed what I thought given you are literally voting for me so you don't have to go up against The Koshi. So I think my point has been made. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly it's not obvious, you're right - a lot of people have stated suspicion of her. But NOT a lot of people have backed up that suspicion with a vote, so we'll see what happens when she's like, THE viable wagon. People put their money where their mouth is so to speak. You know, in exactly the way that Calix DIDN'T where iGrok was concerned yesterday. Scummy insinuation that this makes me mafia when you never mentioned this before nor did you once ask me to clarify this or ask your 'scum read' ANYTHING even though we just got out of an interaction where I was calling you mafia. On May 23 2019 19:20 VisceraEyes wrote: If anything I'd say that iGrok is the easier lynch - more people have actually voted for that guy, and he's on more people's lips and it'd likely be easier to get a lynch off on him. In that way I'd call the iGrok lynch "easier" than Calix. Calix is in here fighting it too, have you seen anything like that from iGrok? You literally just said I'm the easiest lynch cos The Koshi. Secondly, I don't give a shit who the 'easier' lynch is when it's mafia as fuck that you're perceiving things from how easy they are to lynch IN THE FIRST PLACE. | ||
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I predicted people would call me town/ back off when I got back into the thread. And now Koshi and VE have done exactly that! Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Meanwhile BC comes out with a 'read' on me which is so vague it might as well not exist. What posts does he refer to? What is the thought process? I see none, only vague wankery. In fact, BC's #2499 doesn't say anything! + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1. Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right. TBH Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch. Myself Calix Igrok Artanis Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group. If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least. I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red. Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? Let's go through this. He points out the obvious lynch candidates then adds a pointless paragraph about how we need to sort him out as well. This doesn't need to exist, it's basically theory that anyone can spout. Still has Artanis read which hasn't changed, k. Vague AF read on moi. Wants to filter iGrok and takes two sentences to say 'I have no actual read on this dude'. This really did not need to be a wall post. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Look dude, my only tool is the lynch. So yes, I think in terms of how easy they are to achieve. That is NOT a mafia-exclusive trait. I don't have bullets this game and I don't have any powers, all I have is my vote and the lynch to kill mafia. Thinking in terms of trying to achieve balance between WHO I WANT TO KILL and EASE OF ACHIEVING LYNCH is DEFINITELY not mafia. So get the fuck out of here with that shit. Calm down, luv. But for real, I cannot relate to this mind-set when we're less than 12 hours into the day on an expanded day cycle. At all. | ||
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I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town. People need to stop saying shit like this. | ||
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Because if iGrok/ HF/ Artanis are all town then you're basically locking in several mislynches. And if people vote for X so they can lynch Y tomorrow it makes them less willing to re-evaluate their reads. Also you should vote for people you think are mafia, not just compromise on reads so you can get a lynch you want the next day...when your reads on the people you want lynched will most likely change in that time...therefore making the whole process really dumb. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards. Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game. Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour. I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI. As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made? | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:07 Conversion wrote: I do not think mafia!Calix draws attention to herself like this if people are moving off her? I can dive I guess. what’s the case against Calix? I had a bad opening post and I'm very convenient when it comes to making scum teams, lmao. Oh wait, sorry. I forgot Koshi 'doesn't believe in my reads'. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:11 disformation wrote: if i can recall it correctly: the points are mainly: her very first post was hot garbage super early hf town read, she shouldnt have meta (aka is not town calix) someone said a lot of questions/interactions not enough follow up Who the hell said the last thing? And you yourself said the meta thing was suspicious because Koshi thinks I'm mafia!Calix, WBG thinks I'm town!Calix and I think I'm not like any of my games. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off" As for posts 'complained about thread and fucked off' isn't saying your low activity is scummy though, lmao. Don't agree the first post is good. I agreed with HF's appraisal of that. I also don't agree the HF thing is necessarily townie given the context. I can see how someone might look at those posts and think what you said about them but I am less convinced. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You don't need to agree with it. I am merely stating my view of it. However in terms of quality / content type you should at least sympathize given your entry to the thread was comparable to that. My issue with your view of it is that you had to have that pointed out to you. Especially after he was going to reconsidering his read on you. I don't really get why having similar quality/ content types would mean anything. Both you and iGrok have made this argument [like when he said he liked my posting style as a mitigating factor in my scumminess] but this has nothing to do with alignment, it's literally just how we post...? Regardless, this seems to be a thing you two legitimately think so I don't think it's AI. But I don't agree with you. Speaking of your view on me, what posts were you referring to in your earlier 'read' of me? You don't have to quote them, I just want to know what you were thinking as the game progressed because I cannot tell. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote: I mean at the risk of being too open about this i was JUST told that in mafia people say one thing and then do something different at EoD, but then people treat my word as fucking gold when I suggest something with about 65 hours left in the day that I might not want to do but would get me information if people respond to it. Make your bloody minds up. I don't wanna be snarky but: A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views. Hope that makes sense. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. I already did that and you didn't say what posts or why exactly they made you change your mind. I'm asking the question to get you to stick to something more concrete than 'well I changed my mind', thus making it harder for you to be slippery and changeable with your reads if you ARE mafia. Making snide comments about the level of effort I am putting in won't change that fact, mate. | ||
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On May 23 2019 20:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Like Calix just going to say. For you to post this, then So to defending yourself via "this is how I play" to then attack someone for "this is how I play" basically is umm, a hypocritical move? Just saying A) My Jock post wasn't me defending myself. It's literally just theory that I posted because he asked the question. Has nothing to do with my playstyle and I don't even know how you concluded that. B) I've never played with you so attacking you for things that may or may not be AI for you isn't hypocritical because I don't know what is and isn't AI for you. Duh. C) Following from B, it sounds like you're saying you rarely explain your reads. Correct me if I'm wrong because that's how I'm reading this. You didn't explicitly state this though so it's hard to tell. D) Attacking me as a 'hypocrite' [an accusation which makes NO sense given A-C] won't hide the fact that you're dodging the question over your read on me. | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Calix I don't know if you are purposely being dense. Read the thread. Outside of possibly you, I think I have explained basically all my scum reads and the reasoning for them? Regardless of whether or not you agree with my logic? Fuck I even have explained town reads, reasonings to give people the chance to post so I can get reads. Like what world do you live in where you don't remember or seem to remember events that have happened in the thread? I do not understand why it is so hard for you to just answer the damn question instead of calling me 'lazy', 'hypocritical' and 'dense'. How helpful! If you're going to dodge that, then lemme ask you this. Do you think this interaction I've had with you makes me more likely town or mafia? I will leave you be if you answer this. I'm not accepting 'null', or a bunch of waffle, or attacks on my character, as an answer. | ||
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