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On May 23 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I was trying to get YOUR back with rayn. This WHOLE THING started with me trying to tell rayn to back off you. So like, yes, I HAVE the moral high-ground here. But I'm conceding it to you because you misunderstood or something. okay then that was my misunderstanding. I am sorry for lashing out to you and I should have calmed down before making any posts of the sort that would have attacked you. now I will be a good mafia boy and play the game like I said I would | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. the only ironic thing about this statement is that BC was shitting on calix for following thread sentiment, but like.. didn't acknowledge rayn OR ruxxar being town for calling Calix out in the same way, before him in fact, let's look at BC's post right afterwards on rayn/ruxxar, which should have started rather strong town at this point On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: After that post. Early thread leanings VE - Town Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum Ruxxar - Lean scum Callix - Scum uh.. what? How is ruxxar and Calix scum together? and why is rayn only a null, possible town? #256 ruxxar scumreads calix, rayn has #224 onwards calling Calix out. both of them called similarly to BC, but he doesn't acknowledge them? kind of a weird post, doesn't make him scummy though imo I guess the ruxxar thing makes more sense since it might seem more of a shake suspicion onto Calix maybe to distance, but still. On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to. Town reads VE HF (god help me) Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation Null Everyone else only thing weird here is rayn being a null, but unexplained reads != mafia. he actually explains why Rayn is null, woops seems to try really hard to his Calix read, tries to revert the thread back to it: On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it! Also, Bugs and VE ruxxar/calix/disfo his core 3, still. adds me in as well at #509 I do like the fact that he considers bugs town at #959, mostly cause I consider bugs town as well On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck. Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar. I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours? Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten? This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus. and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. now this, this is a weird post. can someone tell me if this is NAI? why would someone distance off their top2 scum reads to try and redivert the thread elsewhere? It's not quite like BC had a lot of his reads evolve, methinks either. On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\ Basically mine is as followed Town BC WBG HF (again god help me) VE Null Koshi Conversion Jock Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now) Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red) Igrok Mafia Ruxxar Disinformation Artanis gives a list here, artanis swapped with Calix. his reasoning is that Ruxxar > Calix mafia, but Calix was the one he called out first? I think this was around the time Ruxxar was floating around, though. so maybe it was that. I like his #1235 and #1240 in calling me out. I guess I just like people calling me out in mafia, weirdly enough. also called disfo out as well. On May 21 2019 20:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Im upgrading Calix atm to a town read based on the last few pages. Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol same dude, same. 20 page filter FML  idk BC's meta, never played with him. but nothing in the above dive seems particularly scummy to me. I'm actually leaning town, he's actively trying to solve the game, asking people their thoughts, questioning and following up, being transparent (ish) with his changes in tiers of town/mafia now the real flip that I'm confused with is he suddenly starts going gungho, super saiyan suicide going to trade with Artanis when he gets cased by him, one of his scum reads: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well. At least someone I think is mafia finally hard stanced me. However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up. Lets look at your first point. My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing. Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there. Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me) I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with. Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude. So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy. now, before this BC seemed rather controlled (some outbursts of frustration here and there, but nothing big), but damn this is a big OMGUS F U to Artanis the thing is I don't quite think that the case got as much traction to warrant this response, so it seems incredibly out of place. I also find it weird that he didn't comment on Calix's casual post on how she can get behind Artanis' case-- just seems incredibly tunneled onto his scum read calling him scum. is that something BC does as either alignment?? my gut says town, especially since I tunnel rather hard on the OMGUS (note to self: try meta diving) + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death. As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so. No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm. Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet. Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting. As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am. That leaves everyone else. There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure. the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now. I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside. On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him. Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to. That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. good posts. I like it, calls out that he didn't like how he got his initial read on Artanis, but still believes in it. the rest of the posts are rather sparse, but overall BC seems to play like a town figuring the game out. the only hole here, which I think BC can answer why he's back, is what about Artanis' posts after the initial scumread was mafia enough for BC to stick to his guns? I recall him mentioning some other people sharing his reads and such, but no real case against Artanis after calling his initial way of reading Artanis bad. in a vacuum, BC seems town | ||
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On February 08 2018 11:34 Conversion wrote: Why you shouldn't believe Koshi on why I am mafia: Most likely the most arrogant and tunneled town player I have ever played with. He is obviously a very good player, so he owns it very well. The problem with Koshi is when he's wrong, he will never admit he's wrong. Which is good for town when he has his read right (MS Paint game when he was judge, Mocsta mafia last game, whatever other games this guy has because I can't be fucking bothered to meta filter dive anymore). However, he is bullheaded on a worse level than drunk angry rayn, even when he is so clearly wrong. Now this long preface was written because I am still incredibly salty that someone who claims he is literal Jesus in this game called Mafia can't get over the fact that I AM NOT MAFIA when he reads me as such. Like last game. He spent every moment he could spare on top of solving the game calling me mafia, including me in a list, and then suddenly turning on me and having me flip town. + Show Spoiler [Long quote chain on why Koshi reading…] + On December 13 2017 04:28 Koshi wrote: Bad posts It was a mafia bait post from Arya. Easy to critisize without risking looking bad. On December 13 2017 04:33 Koshi wrote: Many things are happening in the thread. Conversion is focusing on 1 thing and I don't like that thing. On December 13 2017 05:07 Koshi wrote: I don't like you at all. On December 13 2017 05:12 Koshi wrote: 1) Forumite - Forgot his posts. Saw some things. Need to filter. 2) Grackaroni - Is refusing to let us read him. 3) DarthFoley - Town because his posts read genuine. 4) Holyflare - Meh 5) Conversion - Mafia lean 6) Oatsmaster - Probably town I think. Mainly due to Conversion and VE talking about him. 7) VisceraEyes - Mafia lean 8) Chezinu - Not a prior atm. If you are a vig feel free. 10) prphlz - Town 11) Eversince - afk 12) Ayra321 - Town 13) Kmatt - Townish 14) Palmar - Is fine. On December 13 2017 05:17 Koshi wrote: So we are here: Town: DarthFoley Oatsmaster prphlz Ayra321 Kmatt Palmar Don't lynch them today: Forumite Holyflare Shoot them but don't lynch them D1: Chezinu Grack Lynch: VE Conversion On December 13 2017 05:22 Koshi wrote: ##Vote Conversion I am voting Conversion over VE because VE is drawing more attention to himself with his "odd" play. I am not yet sure if the "odd" play from VE is him being really bad at blending in as mafia pushing ideas or that he is just playing worse than his previous game. Conversion is making posts but didn't even once draw attention to him or made a post that would cause a wave making it easier for him to solve the game. If he is town, he disappointed me the most so far. So I am going to assume he is mafia struggling to show some genuine thoughts combined with thread progression. On December 13 2017 05:25 Koshi wrote: Palmar I need you to type me a big post talking about Conversion. If you do so this game will become easier for us to solve. After that feel free to do one liners and random stuff. But I need to read something smart from you on Conversion. But more importantly, I need to read a lot of words from you talking about Conversion. On December 13 2017 05:28 Koshi wrote: If Conversion is mafia. If VE is town and if forumite is town this is a bad post. Because Conversion is being protected here with no basis except by add 2 more townreads. Conversion early game was not town. The other 2 I can see. forumite is mafia lynch bait of choice if town. And VE is being odd and out there. No doubt and an easy catch. That being said. I still potentially like you Palmar. Your latest posts were just really underwhelming. You need to give the thread some candy. On December 13 2017 05:31 Koshi wrote: Conversion is our best bet atm. On December 13 2017 06:52 Koshi wrote: This also looks bad for Palmar. I really need to know why Conversion is town. Looks like mafia!Palmar adopted a read from the thread because it is his scumbuddy. But then again. I am quite convinced conversion is mafia. If he isn't. I am being very wrong. On December 13 2017 07:05 Koshi wrote: I think this is my new list. Town is on top. It isn't perfectly in order but close enough. Especially second to sixth place is pretty random. DarthFoley Oatsmaster prphlz VE Ayra321 Kmatt Grack Forumite Holyflare Eversince Chezinu Palmar Conversion On December 13 2017 09:16 Koshi wrote: I am just going to sit here and hope somebody enters this game with a fresh view. Who is able to peak my interest. Atm too many lost townies. I hope they follow my lead and lynch conversion. But second on list Palmar isnt that bad either. I have such high hopes for him. But he didnt deliver once more On December 13 2017 09:20 Koshi wrote: PS2: I found conversion first. No diggity, no doubt On December 13 2017 09:27 Koshi wrote: woe hf is so sure conversion is mafia he is trying to steal the kred On December 13 2017 19:01 Koshi wrote: The problem with veteran players is that they can play good as either alignment. I think Conversion is still the best bet for town. Both palmar and hf didnt do anything to change that. Now, you don't have to look through that spoiler tag. Because it is the same garbage Koshi is spouting this game. That I am mafia, because it fits his agenda and his ideal view of the game. But that is garbage solely because of this post right here from Simple Mafia: So this literal mafia Jesus cannot get over his fact that he will never be able to cleanly town read me, because I never cleanly play as town. In his mafia Jesus head. So I must be mafia. Doesn't matter if literally two games ago he was 9100% sure that I was mafia and I flipped town. Doesn't matter if towards that game he townread me for trying, then randomly flipped on me because I was playing terribly in his mafia Jesus eyes. And what does he do here? Exactly what he did at the tail end of Simple Mafia. Calls me town because of one thing, finds one garbage, irrelevant detail, calls me Mafia, and will push me until I die. You're garbage at reading me Koshi. That's all. Man that was fun! GARBAGE AT READING ME. I will be having the biggest shit eating grin on my face and I will fucking roast you post game if I get lynched because this will be 0/2 times you read me as mafia when I am town. wait maybe not. why isn't he calling me scum this game | ||
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@VE probably this game https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Makes an incorrect statement. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now | ||
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would that mean he believes scumbuddy BC is lynching scumbuddy Artanis? | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Between Artanis and BC I dont know who is more mafia. Artanis became really underwhelming, while BC made the worst post and vote in the game. On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote: My mafia team is still Calix BC Artanis BUT I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix. On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote: And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure. On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever. I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time. As such ##vote artanis also in no situation do I ever see scum!BC blowing up like that and saying he'll trade 1:1 for scum!Artanis, and scum!Artanis backing off like that | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote: What are you selling? I'm interested in buying. Koshi's vote is completely garbage and he should feel bad, 5 pounds. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 19 2019 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I think today (irl, first 24 hours) would be a lot more productive if everyone operated under the assumption that A) rayn is not lynchable and B) bugs is not lynchable. My reasoning is this: from what I've seen both of them are going to be relatively active during this cycle, and there's a non-zero chance that they're both town. IF they're both town, there's a >50% chance that this thread is completely ruined by the end if this first 24 hours. So in the spirit of getting everyone to look at the game holistically, I'd like it if everyone just IGNORED rayn and bugs today (first 24 hours) and then if we still want to lynch into them then we pull them back into the pool next day. To that end I'm going to unvote and reread everything. I don't see a world where scum!VE does this, unless either bugs or rayn is mafia. I have no reason to believe either are mafia, atm, so this is a towny post I'm 25% of the way through VE's filter, and if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. my god you are like everywhere and anywhere at once. your brain must be moving faster than a mach 5 jet moves through the sound barrier + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 19:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Lemme go read the case on Calix, surely it's been posted right? Like I missed it before but I don't really believe that Bugs and BC both voting without reasoning. On May 20 2019 19:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya this is the first I've heard of a town circle and I'm not included in that shit wtf is this? lol On May 20 2019 19:48 VisceraEyes wrote: What is the certaintude around Calix about? What I remember of Calix didn't seem damning, I haven't filtered tho. And I at least DO remember some posts, like Calix here at least right? On May 20 2019 19:52 VisceraEyes wrote: But you've both stated willingness to lynch Calix? Am I misremembering that too? Let me read calix -> WHY AM I NOT IN A TOWN CIRCLE -> why is Calix being lynched?? -> didn't the both of you say you'd lynch Calix? and another one + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I joked ONE TIME about killing You/Bugs for not calling me 'STRONG TOWN', is that what you're referencing? On May 21 2019 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Or are you just talking out of your fucking ASS HF? On May 21 2019 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: WHERE THE FUCK IS RAYN!? hahaha this is the funniest filter I've read in ages it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly FFS VE not only do you have a giant fucking filter, you have a GIANT LIST OF GAMES TOO. meta diving the recent ones. and you sound exactly the same. in all of them. even the one you were mafia in, except you're less spastic in that one. also apparently we played together hahaha Maybe VE is town. he gives me good vibes. stop jumping around so much it gives me a head ache. would like both Artanis and BC to come back soon though to clear some stuff up, I'd comfortably say Artanis > BC > VE in terms of my certainty of mafia | ||
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"What is the one thing that is on TL Mafia's mind all the time?" "Is Holyflare mafia?" instant winner | ||
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here's my state of the game: list of reads so far: (the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not) REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN) probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok probably scum: artanis | ||
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On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote: I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? | ||
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