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On May 25 2019 20:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn can I ask you why you're so unwilling to compromise in games? Like I get it, you like to be right and the only way to be proven right is to lynch your targets or whatever but like....if you can WIN the game and be right too, why not do that instead? This nonsense about being unwilling to help OTHERS in the game see what you see hurts towns man. I have used endless amount of effort in convincing other people and compromising in games and all i have gotten from it is being called tunneled, stupid and other names -- except for from some specific people. It's not worth my time. I am here just to tell what i think, i don't care who gets lynched or if people believe me or not. I just vote for who i think is mafia. But like...it seems like a lot of the people who don't do that are here in this game and want to work with you right? Me, Artanis, it seems like you and HF could work together if you tried...BC not beyond reason. Like I think you're tunneled on Calix sure, but I'm not berating you for it or anything, I just want to understand man. And you're not helping me to understand. Err. Not going to lie but like, half the people in this game seem unwilling to truly compromise (me included id say). People are near refusing to try and read other players as anything but they seem. Like. For instance, nothing that has happened this game day makes me change my read on bugs. In fact I understand exactly why he raged at koshis claim. When you have more or less all the vets on complete opposite spectrums in terms of our reads its almost for sure that 1) we are all bad 2) at least 1 - 2 of us are mafia 3) both of the above Also, some of the people that have berated Rayn in the past (at least in either obs qts, games, etc..) are actually in this game. Not sure why he would want to work together. Fuck with how toxic this thread is, I can easily understand just playing to prove ones own competence regardless of the outcome.
Bro I get it too, I'm trying to talk him into working with me what is this post even?
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Ugh whatever man, fine don't work with me. Just one of many this game.
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On May 25 2019 20:10 disformation wrote:
was also not easy to even get some form of consolidation d1 for the lynch
The funny part is it wasn't hard at all, I was able to get consolidation onto iGrok then I FUCKED IT UP by being appealed to by Bugs. Then he TOLD me he would betray me, I didn't believe him, AND HE DID IT, AND I WAS SURPRISED BY IT!!!
God I'm dumb.
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On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\
Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this.
Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3
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Sry if you're repeating yourself BC but what's your take on iGrok? I know you're red on Artanis but where are you on iGrok?
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On May 25 2019 20:20 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this. Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3 ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter... Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:
she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I like this summary. think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh. anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30
Bro you have NO IDEA how much I wished someone had told me these things when I started here.
But whatever. 
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Like that goes for ALL the little shit I've posted that seems out of place - explaining to Blue how VCA works, explaining to you how Ctrl-F works, it's all my attempt at paying it forward for when someone somewhere told ME about that shit. Just throwing that out there.
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On May 25 2019 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Because he's right, as far as Calix is concerned everyone lives happily ever after, but not Conv and that's another part of why I want rayn to engage with me. He seems certain about Conversion and Conversion actually followed through with the stuff he's pointing out there - the filtering of BC/Art/VE he talks about with Calix there he actually goes through with and makes conclusions based on what he saw. But it's like none of that matters to rayn and I want to know why.  But this isn't true. He never followed up like a townie should if he believes or is going to do what he originally wrote. He only followed up after the lynch when it doesnt matter anymore, during the time he was deciding who to lynch he gave zero shits and just voted for ruxxar despite even saying he is gonna do something else and look into all the places.
Ya okay I concede he DID wait until the night phase to do anything, that's real.
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On May 25 2019 20:34 disformation wrote:
right. grocieries. stop posting for a minute so i actually make it out of the house
OMG HE'S DITCHING THE THREAD SO MAFIA
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On May 25 2019 20:36 disformation wrote:
oh right i have to say that i am disappearing but you are not allowed to scum read me for that.
Don't tell Bugs dude. He said that's NAI but his FILTER would indicate otherwise!
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Bugs expecting me to buddy him when he's screaming about me being mafia. That's rich.
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The things Bugs is accusing me of do not make me mafia.
For the record, I'm like, here, and willing to engage with Bugs. He's the one freaking out and flailing like a caught mafia.
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He's ignoring posts where I interact amicably and productively with all of disformation/Holyflare/Jock.
He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af.
He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him.
He's ignoring the fact that I've towntold innumerable times in this thread.
He's blinded by a tunnel or he's mafia.
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On May 25 2019 22:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 19:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 04:28 Koshi wrote:
I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it. Its because we have HF and bugs. You know bugs is basically hard claiming PR now right? TMI TMI TMI IF YOU BELIEVE THIS AS TOWN WHY DO YOU ANNOUNCE IT IN THREAD
Why did you announce it in thread? If you believe this is a maf claim then how is you pseudo-announcing PR not a maf claim? You're being ridiculous plz stop.
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On May 25 2019 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 19:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 04:28 Koshi wrote:
I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it. Its because we have HF and bugs. You know bugs is basically hard claiming PR now right? TMI TMI TMI IF YOU BELIEVE THIS AS TOWN WHY DO YOU ANNOUNCE IT IN THREAD If he believes it as mafia why wouldn't he just shoot you and not say anything?
QFT
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Like that's a lot of my issue with Bugs certainty here...he's assuming that me/rayn/Koshi are mafia...playting without a mafQT? Just openly doing everything in thread? wtf"?
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On May 25 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's ignoring posts where I interact amicably and productively with all of disformation/Holyflare/Jock.
1)amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident. Show nested quote +
He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af.
2)The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!! Show nested quote +
He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him.
3)My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game. The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages.
1) Yes, by poking holes in their logic and trying to see other perspectives. It's called trying to understand peoples reads. Try it sometime, rather than just try and shove your own reads down peoples' throat.
2) Yes I never voted disfo! That doesn't make me mafia! I voted for a bunch of different people, and I ultimately never ended up thinking disfo was mafia either! :OOOOOOOOOO THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME MAFIA! And in spite of disagreeing with you, I DID END UP WORKING WITH YOU IN THE END ON RUXXAR! :OOOOOOOO
3) Yes, you gave me a shit list of candidates and I didn't lynch into it! No one wanted to lynch Calix regardless of how I felt about it, I disagreed on ruxxar, and I disagreed on disfo! So yes, I GOT CONSOLIDATION ON IGROK, which you're now using AGAINST ME, AND THEN I ABANDONED IT IN THE NAME OF WORKING WITH YOU WHICH IS THE LITERAL LYNCHPIN OF THE CASE THAT I WON'T WORK WITH YOUAWOFINAOAPIWERVNIAOPVN
4) That's pretty decent, though i'm even capable of that as mafia and is not what I'm referring to. Just remove this point, it's dumb anyway. The first three completely decimate your entire case against me, the rest of it is "feels" based because you dislike the way I've played this game so far.
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And, obligatorily
The things Bugs is accusing me of do not make me mafia.
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For the record, I do not want to shitfight with Bugs. I want to defend myself coherently and work with town.
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On May 25 2019 22:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's ignoring posts where I interact amicably and productively with all of disformation/Holyflare/Jock.
1)amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident.
He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af.
2)The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!!
He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him.
3)My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game.
He's ignoring the fact that I've towntold innumerable times in this thread.
The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages. 1) Yes, by poking holes in their logic and trying to see other perspectives. It's called trying to understand peoples reads. Try it sometime, rather than just try and shove your own reads down peoples' throat. 2) Yes I never voted disfo! That doesn't make me mafia! I voted for a bunch of different people, and I ultimately never ended up thinking disfo was mafia either! :OOOOOOOOOO THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME MAFIA! And in spite of disagreeing with you, I DID END UP WORKING WITH YOU IN THE END ON RUXXAR! :OOOOOOOO 3) Yes, you gave me a shit list of candidates and I didn't lynch into it! No one wanted to lynch Calix regardless of how I felt about it, I disagreed on ruxxar, and I disagreed on disfo! So yes, I GOT CONSOLIDATION ON IGROK, which you're now using AGAINST ME, AND THEN I ABANDONED IT IN THE NAME OF WORKING WITH YOU WHICH IS THE LITERAL LYNCHPIN OF THE CASE THAT I WON'T WORK WITH YOUAWOFINAOAPIWERVNIAOPVN 4) That's pretty decent, though i'm even capable of that as mafia and is not what I'm referring to. Just remove this point, it's dumb anyway. The first three completely decimate your entire case against me, the rest of it is "feels" based because you dislike the way I've played this game so far. 1. so you manage to poke holes in everyone else's logic but never offer up your own scumreads, basically ever, why? Well, with the exception of disfo being scum, which you didn't explain, and didn't push even though I gave him as an option to you. 2. Can you point out to me at which point you thought disfo was town and why? 3. A shit list of candidates in which I explicitly townread disfo, but you disagreed with him and didn't vote him. But now it's you disagreed on disfo at the same time I presented them? Which one is it VE? Here's what you said at the moment I was arguing with you about consolidation: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs you're doing a lot of narrative building to justify your reads. Like, I came to the exact opposite read of disfo's filter, it looks like he's FAR more guilty of the things you're accusing ruxxar of and you're making up some shit to justify calling him town and rux mafia.
Yes, it LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GUILTY of those SAME THINGS you were calling Rux mafia for....and I CALLED RUXAR TOWN! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I wasn't saying that disfo was scum, I was saying that it weird that you didn't call out disfo for the same shit man! That you made up some shit to call him town rather than just call him suspicious WITH Ruxxar! That's what I meant by NARRATIVE BUILDING Bugs, and you're just MAD that I read it that way!
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