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@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website
the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with
calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting
I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null
koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that
thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok?
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On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote:
@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website
the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with
calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting
I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null
koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that
thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok?
the reason why koshi > rayn is that rayn and I shared reads. i just dont agree with jock-disfo, and idk where he went tbh
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On May 21 2019 21:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:03 Conversion wrote:
@BC my list got lost thanks unresponsive mobile website
the PoE comes down to one of rayn/koshi + disfo + someone else. i have you and wbg as town reads, jock sort of town because never do I see a jock-disfo team from early interactions, except he’s pissing me off for pushing me and saying he’s getting things done when he’s flailing and now he’s essentially soing what I did when Bugs appealed us to get our shitfighting over with
calix jumped off her p. strong scumread (me) fast because thread wasnt gaining traction so that’s really weird. also kind of opportunistic to think she can lynch HF without more consistent posting
I can feel ruxxar’s ideas, but his play is kind of erratic to me. unsure if I can pin him with a team, but he’s a null
koshi is scum read bc he’s playing rather meek. also gives me weird feelings when he’s not actively pushing me as scum. he always does that
thats my tldr. i have a LOT of work to do since I didn’t do anything but yell about disfo so let me read some shit ok? I'm trying to lynch rayn, someone who is IN YOUR POE. You even agree that one of rayn/ Koshi is mafia!
see this is why i dont wanna post without reading bc ppl just get mad at things when i literally said i have incomplete info
thank u for bringing that up. i’ll reread and reevaluate. are you still lynching hf?
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alright since you guys most likely aren't going to lynch disformation today, I believe that we should lynch Koshi
before I summarize his filter, Koshi pretty much plays the way he wants. which means, he is always right, other people are wrong. people who agree with him and sound smart are town and smart, other people are stupid and most likely scum
now I've been pretty much slam dunked by a mafia!Koshi before, who basically just sat back, pushed random shit, and called himself a town god (and I naively believed him back then, because who can reject such a Godly Belgian presence?) (that was a joke)
let's look at this filter for a hot moment, ignoring the fact that he STILL hasn't called me scum like he does in basically every game we're in together (which I'll loop back to, I have some meta going on with this)
+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 16:22 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 17:42 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 17:26 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 15:57 Holyflare wrote:
What artanis actually joined lol? I was confused by that. I thought someone had jokingly figured out a way to make it look like he joined, but then he was here and there was much joy. Which jock are we getting this game? I hope it's the good fun one.p Random bad question. On May 20 2019 16:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
I think I'll start this game off on the right foot and vote the most suspicious guy so far. I can only imagine it will go down well.
##vote raynpelikoneet Awkward "funny" vote. On May 20 2019 16:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM. I was hoping someone else would be around  Smart.
and so on and so forth. dude is playing pretty casually like he always does, but he's not making waves (whether he's right or wrong). he's hiding under the guise of being confused, and then just shitting on people.
normally what he does is tells people they are dumb, and to stick to a read.
now mafia!Koshi on the other hand is trying to get his hand in the pie. he realizes he cannot just sit back and AFK like he normally does and let town devolve into chaos, he HAS to make a stake in that:
1) he's telling people they're dumb
2) make it known that he is "contributing"
but his contributing posts actually don't say anything, really.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2019 06:45 Koshi wrote:
I still dont understand why this thread jumped over Calix to Ruxxar. It's ok. I dont need to understand. On May 21 2019 06:47 Koshi wrote:
I am not going to bother reading other people and call alignments. After Calix flips I will think again. Not before. Too much bullshit anyway. On May 21 2019 07:16 Koshi wrote:
1 more thing.
The 3 people on ruxxar. I dont trust any of you. Biggest offender is bc who was active in the thread and called 1 or maybe 2 mafia between Calix and Ruxxar. And voted Ruxxar over Calix. Why bc? Why 1 mafia at least. I still dont get it.
WBG his thread police was also pure shit. Felt dirty as well.
Disfo idk. Just not a townread.
Maybe there is 1/2 mafia there and mafia set up calix/ruxxar tvt wagons.
Maybe.
If you bleed green in the next 24 hours I might vote between those 3. Otherwise I am happy with this.
he has a bunch of these posts that can give an insight to what he does, but he just decides he's going to fuck off and not give anything. why?
just look at his filters from mafia mafia mafia mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Koshi&view=all
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2017 01:41 Koshi wrote:
Opened hapa and palmar tgeir filter. Then decided to open hf filter against better judgement. Now I am very sad.
I have it on good authority that there are 3 mafia. So it is ok to ml a couple times.
This is all the help I will give town today. Maybe I will be mpre generous in future days. On November 20 2017 05:56 Koshi wrote:
I am going to ctrl + f my name and answer to everytging asked to me. I am willing to point out 1 mafia and 1 town each day. That-'s all.
If I come online and multiple people ask me a question I will answer to the person I like the most first.
If I run out of time because everybody ask me questions because I am brilliant it is bad luck for the people I dont like.
I am not reading the thread. No point. I might skim it when I find the time. Very maybe. On November 21 2017 01:41 Koshi wrote:
Opened hapa and palmar tgeir filter. Then decided to open hf filter against better judgement. Now I am very sad.
I have it on good authority that there are 3 mafia. So it is ok to ml a couple times.
This is all the help I will give town today. Maybe I will be mpre generous in future days. On November 27 2017 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Well. Looking at chez and stan filters I prefer lynching Chez. He is apologistic in some posts and pronises activity which he doesnt follow up with.
Isnt like normal Chez.
incredibly lazy. of course, he can't be as blatant about it here, so he's just making more posts, padding his filter, but all the while not contributing much
im not gonna bother spoiler blocking quotes, same thing in chill hop: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?user=Koshi&view=all
now here's the REAL SLAM DUNK
Koshi always reads me as mafia when he is town at one point. like 100%.
Simple Game of Mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia#17
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2017 05:12 Koshi wrote:
1) Forumite - Forgot his posts. Saw some things. Need to filter.
2) Grackaroni - Is refusing to let us read him.
3) DarthFoley - Town because his posts read genuine.
4) Holyflare - Meh
5) Conversion - Mafia lean
6) Oatsmaster - Probably town I think. Mainly due to Conversion and VE talking about him.
7) VisceraEyes - Mafia lean
8) Chezinu - Not a prior atm. If you are a vig feel free.
10) prphlz - Town
11) Eversince - afk
12) Ayra321 - Town
13) Kmatt - Townish
14) Palmar - Is fine.
Vendee: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?user=Conversion
+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2018 08:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 08:24 Conversion wrote:On February 08 2018 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
Don't get me wrong cyborg conversion, you're playing a great game but I just miss the old conversion you know?  I am town, Koshi. Get off your tunnel. You ate shit last game, you will eat shit again. We will see. My lynchpool really is Conversion/Damdred/rayn. I am just talking about you because disformation brought you up.
MS-Paint off when he's a judge: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/Jx7PEXy69Sqg
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But I am still 4 pages behind. Conversion is popping up but I think he is too combatant about the limited pressure from hf.
So he is my pick over fefe.
I think rayn, conversion and hopeless have 2 mafia. Not 3 most likely.
and finally, Classic mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia#4
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 05:15 Koshi wrote:##unvote
##vote conversionNot the worst idea On March 23 2018 08:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Mocsta, why ExO and not darthfoley or Conversion or someone else? You realize you are suggesting 2 names I also want to kill right. From before eon. Dont focus on the flashy players and go for people who are hiding. Dont paranoia yourself thinking some master mind mafia is being super active.
yet Koshi this time is for some reason lukewarm and calling me town! even. wtf?
+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2019 15:47 Koshi wrote:
I believe Conversion is town.
I believe Ruxxar is either good at playing mafia or town. My only remark is that he picks his moments to posts and not much more.
Still think Calix is mafia.
Think either bc or disfo is mafia with her because it fits patterns.
Something there. On May 21 2019 15:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 14:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
At the same time, and although I said Ruxxar's main read on hf doesn't make sense, I'm going back and looking at hf now and ehhhhh
Normally he has tried to make a case on someone by now.
I take that criticism back ruxxar.
I still think your post is a bit scummy but you have a point on hf.
He hasn't done anything. He's voting for the most afk of afkers which is literally the opposite of what he normally does. He argued with rayn on my behalf alot and that really is the most active he's been in the thread. Since then he has got nothing done except give a bunch of town reads and then say that maybe he was wrong about them.
I'm confused.
Is everyone scum except me?
So far - the people I would townread are:
Artanis (just because I haven't seen anything scummy from him)
WBG (is playing like town WBG - this changed from the first couple of hours but I was reading too much into a simple mistake)
Scum are:
Conversion still hasn't convinced me to change my vote. Being angry about being voted for is NAI. Trying to make me stop talking about the fact that he said he hasn't played when he has. Repeatedly says 'fuck you it was because i was fired.' This is bad. All he needed to say was that he replaced out. Its like he REALLY doesn't want me to talk about it.
ALSO HE TUNNELS DISFO BUT HAS DONE NOTHING ELSE
NOTHING
One single tunnel in a game could easily be fake.
Conversion what are you thinking about others in the thread??? (other than disfo)
You said you have 24 hours to convince us you're town but since then you've done absolutely nothing that would convince anyone you are town.
HF (scumlean) - Ruxxar's case is interesting. You are normally leading the thread or getting involved with trying to get people onto a wagon. You aren't doing what you normally do as town. I think every game I've played with you you've been blue - and in each one you were one of the main presences in the thread - at least trying hard to get stuff done. You seem to be reacting to other people's reads alot more than you are making your own.
Can you explain this for me.
This game is confusing as all hell.
I don't get it.
I don't like Koshi, don't like disfo very much either, BC is suspicious and they can't all be mafia FFS. I'm leaving these guys as null for now with VE - who claims to be obvtown but I don't see it yet.
Conversion is not mafia. You dont trust me obvioisly. But he is not mafia. Being tunneled is not mafia. He just believes disfo is mafia. Truly believes it.
his read progression on disformation is super weird too. you have a townie yelling about disfo mafia, you have some townies ready to sway onto disfo, you BELIEVE THAT DISFO IS MAFIA
but you end up on Calix? why?
+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 18:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:39 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 06:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hi disinformation. As I see you are here. Answer me!
What do you think of the quote I posted in my bigger post above? dunno if I see the point. rayn comments on some ppl (which dont look scummy to him) and jock asks if anyone looks suspicious to him. I think one would expect rayn to call people scum/mafia (like he is doing now). though. thinking about it, jock kinda ignores that rayn just gave a bunch of reads and says rayn is only defending himself and berating people. which he isnt cause he just gave reads. hmmm... don't think I like that. Townish for going against insanerayn starts off townish read On May 20 2019 19:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:23 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 07:19 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
This is literally the exact shit I was trying to avoid.
I'm catching up but man alive. I specifically warned against this shit. Actually you know what? I am calling bullshit on this. This seems way too convenient. VE just HAPPENED to warn us against pushing rayn too much, tried diverting to iGrok, claimed rayn would ruin the game if we kept pushing him, etc. Then rayn just latches onto a bad case against Jock and pushes it with a vastly disproportionate amount of confidence before making a random and completely unwarranted role claim and generally acting like he's lost his shit. Emphasis on the acting. I'm more tempted to think VE/ rayn set this up than anything else. There are lots of 'hints' beforehand that make me suspicious as to how authentic they're being. #shamelesstinfoil imo VE has mostet townie brownies so far, but I like this post. reminds me i need more vivax in my life (where did he goooo? Ohh disfo. You still didnt change. You read the thread and concluded VE is tip top town. Why would you believe somebody else who rezd the thread would type and believe something like what Calix wrote? Come on... VE tip top town. Calix sees something and goes for a little retarded tinfoil that CANNOT come from town with 2 brain cells. CLASSIC mafia bullshit post because they have to bullshit. OK pretty slam dunkeroo on disfo being mafia On May 20 2019 21:50 Koshi wrote:
Disformation
Wbg
? disfo mafia here again, Calix not mentioned
Koshi - disfo - +1 is the mafia team.
People, if you don't want me tunneled on disfo, lynch Koshi. please and thank you
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On May 21 2019 22:57 iGrok wrote:
Guys, you've generated 20 more pages in 6 hours. Haven't read any of it, but holy shit. Please cut back on the spam, or I'm not going to be able to keep up. The whole point of this game was for it to be a slower pace.
this is such a bad post dude lol just pick someone u think is scummy and read that person. who cares about the page number
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can someone who scumreads disfo explain the reasoning between a Jock-disfo team? is Jock so bad that he would blatantly give away his teammate by his early posts?
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On May 22 2019 00:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Just so you guys are in no doubt:
I'm trying to play, to learn and to improve all at the same time. I find this difficult and yeah, I'm asking a shit ton of questions. There aren't any newbie games here and I'm completely clueless jsut going off what the guides and mafaiscum wiki say about it.
So yeah, I ask alot of questions. I'm literally asking for help and getting shit all (Except WBG who is quite happy to help) and then being lynched for doing shit wrong.
This isn't something I'd post if i was trying not to be lynched because I'm knowingly invoking my own lack of skill and expereience. I'm gonna go concentrate on chess instead.
Good luck to you all. Even if I'm not lynched I can't be bothered with this shit. I'm too anxious a person. Its bad for my mental health.
hey. two really close people to have pretty severe anxiety, and I personally know how bad some of their attacks get. no hard feelings, no need to feel bad. take care of yourself first, and I hope things get easier for you in the future. your health is incredibly important!
also PM me so you can kick my ass in chess, sometime. I'm pretty bad and would love a buddy to teach me/learn with :D
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I have no time to catch up atm— preparing for an interview tomorrow and flying out Thursday for another one. did no one like my Koshi case? I’ll revisit both Koshi and disfo if I can.
who are leading wagons, and who should I case and who should I have an opinion on?
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okay I'm back with 2 hours left until deadline
promised:
rereading of disfo and koshi, which I'll do now
koshi telling me iGrok is town and not to lynch him
not sure if I got anything else, looks like ruxxar is flavor lynch right now. I haven't progressed ruxxar as much since my evaluation of him since Bugs told me to do so. so I was going to do that, but looks like he just gave up?
anything else people want me to do? otherwise I'm going to do this as speedily as possible
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well, we're probably not even lynching disfo or Koshi, so should I even bother revisiting?
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does ruxxar even make sense with my disfo-koshi scum reads earlier.. that's the trouble I'm having right now
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just ctrl + f'd Koshi's filter-- if ruxxar flips mafia there's 0% chance he is. dude is sticking his NECK out for ruxxar for absolutely no reason.
disfo I think the flip matters less... I'll revisit harder next day though, no time to tunnel now
going into ruxxar:
I really hate his overall play of just randomly swinging in and out, but can someone explain why these two posts are bad?
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote:
Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.
It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it.
I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point.
Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.
I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players.
The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)
Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.
Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me).
Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion.
I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out.
HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.
Tldr:
Bugs is dumbo town.
Rayn is town.
HF is mafia.
##vote holyflare
is it because it feels like it's mafia flailing last minute?
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ugh forgot all of EU is probably asleep.. thanks for being here.
just read your post iGrok let me read through HF and Calix now.
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On May 22 2019 10:25 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 10:21 iGrok wrote:
Seriously, I think the logic there is pretty straightforward, but to reiterate:
Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this.
Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure.
Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier.
so what this means is:
If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF
@Calix if you can find a flaw in this please let me know.
aren't these points sort of WIFOM-y because mafia cna totally do this if they feel like they're safe enough to do some to try and gain some town cred? or is that too stupid pants-on-head for mafia to do (and thus your reasoning)
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er, wait let me think your logic out
you're basically saying this:
[NOT (Calix AND Ruxxar)] AND [NOT (Ruxxar AND Holyflare)] AND [NOT (Calix AND Holyflare)]
which actually means when Calix, Ruxxar and TOWN (aka True), and Holyflare is MAFIA (aka False),
your logic table evaluates to
[NOT (True AND True)] AND [NOT (True AND False)] AND [NOT (True AND False)]
[NOT True] AND [NOT False] AND [NOT False]
False AND True AND True == False?
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the only times that logic table works out is if two or all three are mafia within it, so I think your logic is a little off
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On May 22 2019 10:39 Conversion wrote:
the only times that logic table works out is if two or all three are mafia within it, so I think your logic is a little off
er, specifically the pairings are, if not all 3 mafia:
ruxxar/holyflare
calix/holyflare
calix/ruxxar
maybe I'm being too literal with this
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c OR r == town, so one of c OR r has to be town or both has to be town
c OR h == town, so one of c OR h has to be town or both has to be town
h OR r == town, so one of c OR h has to be town or both has to be town
r != h, so in the case of H or R, one must be town, one must be mafia
c AND h AND r == mafia, so this means all 3 must be mafia, otherwise this statement doesn't work?
ok I'm spending too much time on this. I'm missing something, though. going to spend my last 30ish minutes meta diving ruxxar. bugs is one of my top town reads atm so I'll listen to him
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d'oh.
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out
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pretty sure i just kicked my interview’s ass
altho pretty sad at flip. i’ll be back at daytime tho. gotta pack for LA
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